Re: Standalone cellular modems?

Roger 2008 wrote:

> "Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
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>> Roger 2008 wrote:
>>
>>> "Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
>>> newslq3vpvbrlfp.dlg@blackholespam.net...
>>> - - - -
>>>>
>>>> Hmmmm, since I don't have a Slingplayer or a Mogul, I wouldn't know
>>>> where to begin troubleshooting that one...
>>>
>>> You can forget about the "Slingplayer" because I've streamed audio
>>> from the following site and my Mogul still fails in time.
>>> http://www.thestreamcenter.com/pda/
>>>
>>> I'm starting to wonder if Sprint builds something into their phones
>>> so people can't use so much bandwidth.
>>
>> I've streamed numerous videos through my V3m's data plan with no
>> apparent throttling. Even downloading 650MB ISO's doesn't seem to bother
>> the speed unless I'm on a particularly busy tower at the time.
>
> OK. Then I'm always on a "busy tower" because I can't seem to get streaming
> video or streaming audio from the URL above to last more than 15 minutes
> anymore.
>
> FYI I have seen streaming video via Bluetooth work for over an hour once but
> then I had to hit the reset button on my Mogul to get that connection
> working again.

I haven't seen any other reports of Sprint throttling except for an
occasional "slow" complaint that seem to be more tower or time of day
related, so I wonder if your problem comes back to the Windows OS issues
that Cradlepoint mentioned...

--
Dutch
Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m
tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008

"Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
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---
> I wonder if your problem comes back to the Windows OS issues
> that Cradlepoint mentioned...

I would think that too if every WM6 device I know of had the same problem
but they don't.

Today I setup my Mogul to use BT DUN for the internet instead of Sprint for
the internet and the Slingplayer on my Mogul kept working. I stopped the
test at just over 2 hours but it looks like it could easily run the
Slingplayer on the Mogul all night if I stayed in one location.

True, the updates on the video were not very fast since I was using a slower
internet than Sprint has but I was more interested in seeing if it would
keep working and it did.

"Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
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> Roger 2008 wrote:
>
> > "Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
> > news:v20pv17b77ib$.dlg@blackholespam.net...
> > ---
> >> I wonder if your problem comes back to the Windows OS issues
> >> that Cradlepoint mentioned...
> >
> > I would think that too if every WM6 device I know of had the same
problem
> > but they don't.
> >
> > Today I setup my Mogul to use BT DUN for the internet instead of Sprint
for
> > the internet and the Slingplayer on my Mogul kept working. I stopped
the
> > test at just over 2 hours but it looks like it could easily run the
> > Slingplayer on the Mogul all night if I stayed in one location.
> >
> > True, the updates on the video were not very fast since I was using a
slower
> > internet than Sprint has but I was more interested in seeing if it would
> > keep working and it did.
>
> Well, that does seem to narrow it down to something related to the way
> the Sprint network operates...

You will get a kick out of this.

Just when I found out how to keep Slingplayer Mobile running and running and
running Slingmedia releases a new version of their software that doesn't
like networks below 120k and they basically come right out and tell you
that..

So now I have two problems.
1. If I upgrade to the new version and run it with an EDGE network then
their new version shuts me down in about 15 minutes.

2. If I don't upgrade, so I can use a network that runs at 100k I'll be
forever hounded by the message telling me to upgrade whenever I start the
slingplayer.

Needless to say I'm pissed and sent them an e-mail stating the two issues
above.

Roger 2008 wrote:

> "Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
> news:iiizbqxylyqg$.dlg@blackholespam.net...
>> Roger 2008 wrote:
>>
>>> "Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:v20pv17b77ib$.dlg@blackholespam.net...
>>> ---
>>>> I wonder if your problem comes back to the Windows OS issues
>>>> that Cradlepoint mentioned...
>>>
>>> I would think that too if every WM6 device I know of had the same
> problem
>>> but they don't.
>>>
>>> Today I setup my Mogul to use BT DUN for the internet instead of Sprint
> for
>>> the internet and the Slingplayer on my Mogul kept working. I stopped
> the
>>> test at just over 2 hours but it looks like it could easily run the
>>> Slingplayer on the Mogul all night if I stayed in one location.
>>>
>>> True, the updates on the video were not very fast since I was using a
> slower
>>> internet than Sprint has but I was more interested in seeing if it would
>>> keep working and it did.
>>
>> Well, that does seem to narrow it down to something related to the way
>> the Sprint network operates...
>
> You will get a kick out of this.
>
> Just when I found out how to keep Slingplayer Mobile running and running and
> running Slingmedia releases a new version of their software that doesn't
> like networks below 120k and they basically come right out and tell you
> that..
>
> So now I have two problems.
> 1. If I upgrade to the new version and run it with an EDGE network then
> their new version shuts me down in about 15 minutes.
>
> 2. If I don't upgrade, so I can use a network that runs at 100k I'll be
> forever hounded by the message telling me to upgrade whenever I start the
> slingplayer.
>
> Needless to say I'm pissed and sent them an e-mail stating the two issues
> above.

Hmmm, maybe the cable broadband folks are bribing them... :-)

--
Dutch
Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m
tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008

Roger 2008 wrote:

> "Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
> news:1rrpruqvmtrj2$.dlg@blackholespam.net...
[...]
>> Hmmm, maybe the cable broadband folks are bribing them... :-)
>
> So far I've received 2 e-mails from Slingmedia and their last one states:
>
>>unfortunately, there is no way for us to low
>> the network to 100k for the 1.6 since the minimum is 120k to stream and
>> connect properly and as tech support department we have no option to
>> make it lower.
>
> But the issue is version 1.5 works with networks slightly below 100k so why
> can't version 1.6 keep working with networks slightly below 100k?
>
> I wouldn't care if I had to slow down the video updates below 1 FPS to
> maintain the audio portion.
>
> All they need to do is allow a Video FPS selection of .5. where ".5" would
> mean 1 Frame every 2 seconds. How hard could that be?

Well, you've convinced me I don't want Slingbox...

--
Dutch
Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m
tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008

"Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
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> Roger 2008 wrote:
>
> > "Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
> > news:iiizbqxylyqg$.dlg@blackholespam.net...
> >> Roger 2008 wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:v20pv17b77ib$.dlg@blackholespam.net...
> >>> ---
> >>>> I wonder if your problem comes back to the Windows OS issues
> >>>> that Cradlepoint mentioned...
> >>>
> >>> I would think that too if every WM6 device I know of had the same
> > problem
> >>> but they don't.
> >>>
> >>> Today I setup my Mogul to use BT DUN for the internet instead of
Sprint
> > for
> >>> the internet and the Slingplayer on my Mogul kept working. I stopped
> > the
> >>> test at just over 2 hours but it looks like it could easily run the
> >>> Slingplayer on the Mogul all night if I stayed in one location.
> >>>
> >>> True, the updates on the video were not very fast since I was using a
> > slower
> >>> internet than Sprint has but I was more interested in seeing if it
would
> >>> keep working and it did.
> >>
> >> Well, that does seem to narrow it down to something related to the way
> >> the Sprint network operates...
> >
> > You will get a kick out of this.
> >
> > Just when I found out how to keep Slingplayer Mobile running and running
and
> > running Slingmedia releases a new version of their software that doesn't
> > like networks below 120k and they basically come right out and tell you
> > that..
> >
> > So now I have two problems.
> > 1. If I upgrade to the new version and run it with an EDGE network then
> > their new version shuts me down in about 15 minutes.
> >
> > 2. If I don't upgrade, so I can use a network that runs at 100k I'll be
> > forever hounded by the message telling me to upgrade whenever I start
the
> > slingplayer.
> >
> > Needless to say I'm pissed and sent them an e-mail stating the two
issues
> > above.
>
> Hmmm, maybe the cable broadband folks are bribing them... :-)


So far I've received 2 e-mails from Slingmedia and their last one states:

>unfortunately, there is no way for us to low
> the network to 100k for the 1.6 since the minimum is 120k to stream and
> connect properly and as tech support department we have no option to
> make it lower.

But the issue is version 1.5 works with networks slightly below 100k so why
can't version 1.6 keep working with networks slightly below 100k?

I wouldn't care if I had to slow down the video updates below 1 FPS to
maintain the audio portion.

All they need to do is allow a Video FPS selection of .5. where ".5" would
mean 1 Frame every 2 seconds. How hard could that be?

At 01 May 2008 16:02:07 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:

> But the issue is version 1.5 works with networks slightly below 100k so
why
> can't version 1.6 keep working with networks slightly below 100k?
>
> I wouldn't care if I had to slow down the video updates below 1 FPS to
> maintain the audio portion.
>
> All they need to do is allow a Video FPS selection of .5. where ".5" would
> mean 1 Frame every 2 seconds. How hard could that be?

Probably easy, but if I might play Devil's Advocate, I see two issues- first,
while you (or I) might find that acceptable, many wouldn't, and would
consider it "broken." Secondly, Sling might fear people would get the idea
that that was what the product typically looked/worked like if others saw
you using it in that way.

Remeber those ancient Zenith mechanical TV remotes that worked when the
buttons whacked metal rods (essentially tuning forks) that produced
ultrasonic tones? I once read an article written by the guy who invented
it. He explained that his team, told to produce a remote control for
Zenith TVs, created a variety of prototypes to show the head honchos,
including a primitive infrared remote (basically an infrared "flashlight"
you aimed at the four different corners of the set to perform the four
different functions- channel up/down and volume up/down.) Management
rejected all of the designs except the mechanical clicker because it was
the only one that didn't use batteries- they feared that consumers would
think their new expensive Zenith TV was broken the first time the remote
batteries died.

Similarly, I think Sling is probably "protecting" users from thinking the
product is crap, by blocking scenarios with subpar performance. While I
personally don't agree with that thinking, I do understand it.

"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
news:fve69g$e3$1@aioe.org...
> At 01 May 2008 16:02:07 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:
>
> > But the issue is version 1.5 works with networks slightly below 100k so
> why
> > can't version 1.6 keep working with networks slightly below 100k?
> >
> > I wouldn't care if I had to slow down the video updates below 1 FPS to
> > maintain the audio portion.
> >
> > All they need to do is allow a Video FPS selection of .5. where ".5"
would
> > mean 1 Frame every 2 seconds. How hard could that be?
>
> Probably easy, but if I might play Devil's Advocate, I see two issues-
first,
> while you (or I) might find that acceptable, many wouldn't, and would
> consider it "broken." Secondly, Sling might fear people would get the
idea
> that that was what the product typically looked/worked like if others saw
> you using it in that way.
>
> Remeber those ancient Zenith mechanical TV remotes that worked when the
> buttons whacked metal rods (essentially tuning forks) that produced
> ultrasonic tones? I once read an article written by the guy who invented
> it. He explained that his team, told to produce a remote control for
> Zenith TVs, created a variety of prototypes to show the head honchos,
> including a primitive infrared remote (basically an infrared "flashlight"
> you aimed at the four different corners of the set to perform the four
> different functions- channel up/down and volume up/down.) Management
> rejected all of the designs except the mechanical clicker because it was
> the only one that didn't use batteries- they feared that consumers would
> think their new expensive Zenith TV was broken the first time the remote
> batteries died.
>
> Similarly, I think Sling is probably "protecting" users from thinking the
> product is crap, by blocking scenarios with subpar performance. While I
> personally don't agree with that thinking, I do understand it.

I see your point since the video on networks below 120k is pretty sad and
not something you would want to show a perspective buyer. But after using
it in "Audio Only" mode a few times I realized I didn't have to turn the
video completely off and that was when I started to experiment with crummy
video.

As for those "Upgrade" messages I used to get. I haven't seen them since I
told the Slingplayer Mobile to "Remind me Later." It looks like there might
be a minor bug in their software where it works the opposite of what you
would think. I'll know more in a few days but for now I haven't seen an
"Upgrade" message since.

"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in news:
_aednUIqk7P8MIbVnZ2dnUVZ_tWtnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Management
>> rejected all of the designs except the mechanical clicker because it was
>> the only one that didn't use batteries- they feared that consumers would
>> think their new expensive Zenith TV was broken the first time the remote
>> batteries died.
>

But, alas, management didn't have enough brains to realize the tags around
the dog's neck were gonna change the damned channel every time Fido
scratched his ears......a true story, I kid you not!

At 03 May 2008 03:55:35 +0000 Larry wrote:

> > Management
> > rejected all of the designs except the mechanical clicker because it was
> > the only one that didn't use batteries- they feared that consumers would
> > think their new expensive Zenith TV was broken the first time the remote
> > batteries died.
> >
>
> But, alas, management didn't have enough brains to realize the tags
around
> the dog's neck were gonna change the damned channel every time Fido
> scratched his ears......a true story, I kid you not!

Yeah, we could change channels by jangling my dad's car keys!

Sadly that was often more entertaining than what was available on any of
the eight channels... ;-)

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:fvibv6$f74$1
@aioe.org:

> Sadly that was often more entertaining than what was available on any
of
> the eight channels... ;-)
>
>
>

WHOA! Big City boy! We got ONE snowy picture from WSYR, Channel 3,
Syracuse, NY and a tiny hint of something too snowy to watch with no
audio from WHEN, Channel 8 I think it was, in Rochester, NY.....

This was from a dual conical stack VHF antenna at 90 feet!

The whole town spent night after night crowded into my father's tiny
living room watching the only Raytheon 5" TV set anyone had ever
seen.....1949 to 52, somewhere in there. I was a tiny boy...well, never
really "tiny"...(c;

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A93DDB1C5C65noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:fvibv6$f74$1
> @aioe.org:
>
>> Sadly that was often more entertaining than what was available on any
> of
>> the eight channels... ;-)
>>
>
> WHOA! Big City boy! We got ONE snowy picture from WSYR, Channel 3,
> Syracuse, NY and a tiny hint of something too snowy to watch with no
> audio from WHEN, Channel 8 I think it was, in Rochester, NY.....
>
> This was from a dual conical stack VHF antenna at 90 feet!

Yep, I grew up in 70's in a suburb of Providence, RI. With a typical
rooftop antenna (and the satisfying "cl-clunk, cl-clunk, cl-clunk" of the
rotator!) we could pickup Providence's four stations and most of Boston's
six very well. On days of freak atmospheric cooperation, we could get
Hartford, CT's CBS affiliate, if conditions were _just_ right. (Once in a
blue moon they'd be clear as a Providence station, most days you couldn't
tell them from the snow on unused channels!)

"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:fvjauc$cqu$1@aioe.org:

> Yep, I grew up in 70's in a suburb of Providence, RI. With a typical
> rooftop antenna (and the satisfying "cl-clunk, cl-clunk, cl-clunk" of
> the rotator!) we could pickup Providence's four stations and most of
> Boston's six very well. On days of freak atmospheric cooperation, we
> could get Hartford, CT's CBS affiliate, if conditions were _just_
> right. (Once in a blue moon they'd be clear as a Providence station,
> most days you couldn't tell them from the snow on unused channels!)
>
>

By the early 60's, our little town (pop about 1400) had a TV cable
distribution system installed by Dyer's TV and Appliance all over town.
Unlike today's "cable TV", however, Dyer's Cable was simply a remote TV
antenna farm located on top of the 800' hill to the East of the town
feeding line amps and 75 ohm distribution system across the town, the
earliest cable TV systems America had. Dyer customers got Syracuse,
Binghampton, Rochester channels, about 12 of them by that time. The deep
valley made sure almost everyone in town was a Dyer customer. I'm sure
his system was bought up by one of the big guns in later years after I
left for the Navy, never to return. Dyers was an RCA dealer and had the
very first RCA round-screen color TVs ever produced....a real amazement.
The first model was setup in their display window for everyone in town to
stand and gawk at from the street in the middle of town. It was 21" or
17" and in COLOR!.....well, during the 3 or 4 color shows NBC broadcast
each week to sell them...