Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

Tinman wrote:

> What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
> and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same number
> of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo). Playing with
> the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as adding a Note is
> done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise every character in
> every contact note I have came over to the iPhone. It's not perfect, as the
> end of really long notes can only be viewed when in edit mode, with the
> keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part is not much different than
> my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's approach (though to its
> credit at least WinMob allows formatting of notes).

The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player. Not such a
great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards. Not a great
phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor compared to
Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due to the slow
speed.

Now that it's been hacked to at least allow the use of AT&T SIM cards
other than the iPhone SIM card, at least you can use it without
subscribing to the $60 iPhone plans, or you can use it just as a Wi-Fi
web browser and iPod.

In article <469e81fb$0$27161$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Tinman wrote:
>
> > What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
> > and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same
> > number
> > of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo). Playing
> > with
> > the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as adding a Note is
> > done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise every character in
> > every contact note I have came over to the iPhone. It's not perfect, as the
> > end of really long notes can only be viewed when in edit mode, with the
> > keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part is not much different
> > than
> > my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's approach (though to its
> > credit at least WinMob allows formatting of notes).
>
> The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player. Not such a
> great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards. Not a great
> phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor compared to
> Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due to the slow
> speed.
>
> Now that it's been hacked to at least allow the use of AT&T SIM cards
> other than the iPhone SIM card, at least you can use it without
> subscribing to the $60 iPhone plans, or you can use it just as a Wi-Fi
> web browser and iPod.

I will be merging the iPhone into my family plan and the only thing that
changes is an additional $20 for the data plan (which I never had on the
other phone to begin with).

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"SMS" wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>
>> What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
>> and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same
>> number of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo).
>> Playing with the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as
>> adding a Note is done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise
>> every character in every contact note I have came over to the iPhone.
>> It's not perfect, as the end of really long notes can only be viewed when
>> in edit mode, with the keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part
>> is not much different than my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's
>> approach (though to its credit at least WinMob allows formatting of
>> notes).
>
> The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player.

It does video well too, better than the PDAs or smartphones I've owned in
the past. And the iTunes thing makes the music and video features seem more
attractive. As noted I never really kept music updated on my Treo (or
video). The iPhone/iTunes combo seems to make this less likely, if only for
that damn store temping me every now and then.

Moreover I have no issue with the Contacts app, and the calendar is fine for
my needs. That's about the only must-haves for my PDA usage (though To-Dos
would be nice).

There are some things that aren't clear unless you actually sync too. For
example I was a bit concerned about the calendar's apparent limitation with
alarms. I sometimes like to be reminded a week or two in advance but I
couldn't enter anything except preset alerts on the iPhone (5-30 min, 1-2
hours, and 1-2 days before the event). Turns out it syncs any value from
Outlook. I can deal with that minor issue for on-device usage (my appts are
entered via Outlook most of the time anyway--and the ones that aren't
usually have reminders within range of what the calendar on the iPhone can
do).


> Not such a great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards.

Not much of an issue for me. I've never even had GSM service here in the US
before (AMPS->TDMA->CDMA).

And since it's not marketed for business use--can't even activate it on a
business account--I doubt this will be a major issue in general.


> Not a great phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor
> compared to Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due
> to the slow speed.

Those are actually bonuses in my case. For starters, Verizon has ZERO native
coverage where I live (NW AZ). So at the moment I'm quite happy Apple went
with at&t (doubt they would have gone with Sprint).

Second, Sprint has no EV-DO nor any indication they will be adding it
anytime soon around here. So Edge is actually an improvement. Granted 3G
would be nice for when I travel, but WiFi is nice too.


>
> Now that it's been hacked to at least allow the use of AT&T SIM cards
> other than the iPhone SIM card, at least you can use it without
> subscribing to the $60 iPhone plans, or you can use it just as a Wi-Fi web
> browser and iPod.

Yep. The reverse is true as well: you can use the iPhone SIM in another at&t
phone, including 3G phones (read at least one report of a someone not only
using it with a Blackjack, but tethering with it too).

Finally I highly doubt what is out for the iPhone at the moment is all
there'll be. Surely there will be improvements, and other apps.


--
Mike

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:09:57 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
<5g86heF3fejhqU1@mid.individual.net>:

>"SMS" wrote:

>> The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player.
>
>It does video well too, better than the PDAs or smartphones I've owned in
>the past.

My RAZR V3xx is just as good.

>And the iTunes thing makes the music and video features seem more
>attractive.

My RAZR V3xx works just as well with iTunes Agent.

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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:12:11 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <469e81fb$0$27161$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>Tinman wrote:
>
>> What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
>> and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same number
>> of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo). Playing with
>> the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as adding a Note is
>> done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise every character in
>> every contact note I have came over to the iPhone. It's not perfect, as the
>> end of really long notes can only be viewed when in edit mode, with the
>> keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part is not much different than
>> my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's approach (though to its
>> credit at least WinMob allows formatting of notes).
>
>The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player. Not such a
>great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards. Not a great
>phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor compared to
>Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due to the slow
>speed.

Actually good on all those counts, as you might know if you'd actually
used it.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

In article <jgkeegan-D9F1F4.19011318082007@individual.net>,
"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <8io7c3pnk7b1l4o62blpvknilkmgegelg1@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:22:14 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
> > <5gah66F3egadcU1@mid.individual.net>:
> > >>>> The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player.
> > >>>
> > >>>It does video well too, better than the PDAs or smartphones I've owned in
> > >>>the past.
> > >>
> > >> My RAZR V3xx is just as good.
> > >
> > >Baloney. Half the pixels and a 2 inch screen are not "just as good."
> >
> > Baloney yourself. The iPhone is a brick. My RAZR V3xx is slim and
> > sleek, and the screen is superb.
>
> you've never seen an iphone, have you?

James,

navas swears by his v3xx. He uses it to determine the signal strength,
att's coverage and so call "extended GSM" frequencies in the bay area.
He might be too mentally challange to use anything more than a number
pad, such as blackberry, smart phone, pda or iphone.

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:52:17 GMT, sw <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
<nospam-BC90A1.21521618082007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com >:

>In article <jgkeegan-D9F1F4.19011318082007@individual.net>,
> "james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:

>> you've never seen an iphone, have you?

I have.

>navas swears by his v3xx.

Yep.

>He uses it to determine the signal strength,
>att's coverage and so call "extended GSM" frequencies in the bay area.

Nope.

>He might be too mentally challange to use anything more than a number
>pad, such as blackberry, smart phone, pda or iphone.

Wrong on that too.

Grow up.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

In article <65rmc3h24s3gkbq7t75fe4m5igcrldbj0m@4ax.com>,
John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:52:17 GMT, sw <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
> <nospam-BC90A1.21521618082007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com >:
>
> >In article <jgkeegan-D9F1F4.19011318082007@individual.net>,
> > "james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> you've never seen an iphone, have you?
>
> I have.
>
> >navas swears by his v3xx.
>
> Yep.
>
> >He uses it to determine the signal strength,
> >att's coverage and so call "extended GSM" frequencies in the bay area.
>
> Nope.
>
> >He might be too mentally challange to use anything more than a number
> >pad, such as blackberry, smart phone, pda or iphone.
>
> Wrong on that too.
>
> Grow up.

Is that the best you can do? Let's try again, how about a FAQ on
"Extended GSM"?