100,000's of iPhones sold in Europe in last 72 Hours!

On 2007-11-13, SMS ???? ? <[email protected]> wrote:
> Personally, 3G would be worthless for me on an iPhone since if I bought
> one I would not be using a postpaid account which provided 3G access in
> the first place. But if it did have 3G, I think a lot more postpaid
> users in Europe would be buying it.

?? You don't need a postpaid account to get 3G access in a lot of places.
T-Mobile in the UK provides 3G HSDPA service to prepaid accounts with
the usage charges capped at 1 pound per day (they'll only complain if
you use more than 45 MB per day for several days in a row). I use this
for Internet access when I travel there since the hotels often seem
to think it is appropriate to charge $30 or $50 per night for the
in-room Internet service.

The ability to get reasonably priced, reasonably speedy Internet
service with a prepaid SIM is precisely the reason I carry a 3G
phone for overseas travel now.

Dennis Ferguson

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"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As predicted, the iPhone is off to an extremely strong start in Europe,
> breaking records in many cases. O2, Britian's largest carrier says it's
> the best selling phone they have ever had!

Europeans are homos and they don't bathe.

In article <1i7j3f0.1fuszvzs4k9bzN%[email protected]>, Peter
Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:

> When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's
> mainly for gadget freaks.

Such a statement reflects that you think the ONLY important function of
this device is it's internet operation.

I have to figure you have hard it has more features than that?

Features like a great music player, a great pocket-sized movie viewer,
a fantastic way to share images, a great PDA... do any of these sound
useful (not for you alone -- to any consumer) ?

Note that few other devices offer most of those together -- mostly
because of the poor screen res offered in the competition.

Mitch <[email protected]> wrote in news:171120071457176935%[email protected]:

> In article <1i7j3f0.1fuszvzs4k9bzN%[email protected]>, Peter
> Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's
>> mainly for gadget freaks.
>
> Such a statement reflects that you think the ONLY important function of
> this device is it's internet operation.
>
> I have to figure you have hard it has more features than that?
>
> Features like a great music player, a great pocket-sized movie viewer,
> a fantastic way to share images, a great PDA... do any of these sound
> useful (not for you alone -- to any consumer) ?

But it doesn't so any of these any better than many other Smartphones and
in some cases (particularly the PDA functionality) falls far short of mot
smartphones. The GUI may be cool, but the functionality behind it is
extremely pedestrian.

>
> Note that few other devices offer most of those together -- mostly
> because of the poor screen res offered in the competition.
>

Actually, quite a few do these days.

CozmicDebris wrote:
> Mitch <[email protected]> wrote in news:171120071457176935%[email protected]:
>
>
>>In article <1i7j3f0.1fuszvzs4k9bzN%[email protected]>, Peter
>>Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's
>>>mainly for gadget freaks.
>>
>>Such a statement reflects that you think the ONLY important function of
>>this device is it's internet operation.
>>
>>I have to figure you have hard it has more features than that?
>>
>>Features like a great music player, a great pocket-sized movie viewer,
>>a fantastic way to share images, a great PDA... do any of these sound
>>useful (not for you alone -- to any consumer) ?
>
>
> But it doesn't so any of these any better than many other Smartphones and
> in some cases (particularly the PDA functionality) falls far short of mot
> smartphones. The GUI may be cool, but the functionality behind it is
> extremely pedestrian.
>
>
>>Note that few other devices offer most of those together -- mostly
>>because of the poor screen res offered in the competition.
>>
>
>
> Actually, quite a few do these days.


Not to mention onboard GPS radios.

>> When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's
>> mainly for gadget freaks.
>
> Such a statement reflects that you think the ONLY important function of
> this device is it's internet operation.
>
> I have to figure you have hard it has more features than that?
>
> Features like a great music player, a great pocket-sized movie viewer,
> a fantastic way to share images, a great PDA... do any of these sound
> useful (not for you alone -- to any consumer) ?
>
> Note that few other devices offer most of those together -- mostly
> because of the poor screen res offered in the competition.

So why, with all that built-in horsepower, doesn't it offer voice dialing?
As we get more restrictions (for good reason) on use of cell phones in cars,
voice dialing would seem like a good thing to have. For that matter, it
might be nice if the phone could tell you (via voice) who's calling, so you
don't even have to look at it to know whether to answer or not. Could be
that that's a feature it already has though. If not, seems like an
opportunity for someone.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>>> When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then
>>> it's mainly for gadget freaks.
>>
>> Such a statement reflects that you think the ONLY important function
>> of this device is it's internet operation.
>>
>> I have to figure you have hard it has more features than that?
>>
>> Features like a great music player, a great pocket-sized movie
>> viewer, a fantastic way to share images, a great PDA... do any of
>> these sound useful (not for you alone -- to any consumer) ?
>>
>> Note that few other devices offer most of those together -- mostly
>> because of the poor screen res offered in the competition.
>
> So why, with all that built-in horsepower, doesn't it offer voice
> dialing? As we get more restrictions (for good reason) on use of cell
> phones in cars, voice dialing would seem like a good thing to have.
> For that matter, it might be nice if the phone could tell you (via
> voice) who's calling, so you don't even have to look at it to know
> whether to answer or not. Could be that that's a feature it already
> has though. If not, seems like an opportunity for someone.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
>

Wait a minute- the whyphone doesn't have voice dialing? Never thought to
test for that. No mention of it on the website, either. Even my teenager's
low-end free Sanyo has voice dialing- true voice recognition at that.

I can hear Oxtard now- they didn't include it because the technology is not
good enough for such a superior product. Of course, the only way they
could improve on the current generationof mobile voice recognition software
would be to have it read your mind.

Wow- this phone is turining out to be a bigger piece of crap than I could
have ever imagined.

CozmicDebris wrote:

> Wait a minute- the whyphone doesn't have voice dialing? Never thought to
> test for that. No mention of it on the website, either. Even my teenager's
> low-end free Sanyo has voice dialing- true voice recognition at that.
>
> I can hear Oxtard now- they didn't include it because the technology is not
> good enough for such a superior product. Of course, the only way they
> could improve on the current generationof mobile voice recognition software
> would be to have it read your mind.

Or that Jobs claimed that voice dialing used too much power! Or maybe
voice-dialing will be something that you can download from iTunes for
99¢ per name.

In any case, never buy the first version of a product, I'm sure the
second rev of the iPhone will add 3G, voice-dialing, and GPS
functionality, in order to compete against products like the AT&T Tilt
(HTC 8925). But the HTC 8925, while much more capable, is also a lot
more expensive, and lacks the ease of use of the iPhone in several ways.
The 8925 is for geeks, the iPhone is for the masses that appreciate a
product that doesn't have a long learning curve.

At 18 Nov 2007 16:24:15 -0800 SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:


> In any case, never buy the first version of a product, I'm sure
> the second rev of the iPhone will add 3G, voice-dialing, and GPS
> functionality, in order to compete against products like the AT&T
> Tilt (HTC 8925). But the HTC 8925, while much more capable, is
> also a lot more expensive,


It's $299 w/2-year contract, but $549 without.


> and lacks the ease of use of the iPhone in several ways.


Certainly.


> The 8925 is for geeks, the iPhone is for the masses that appreciate
> a product that doesn't have a long learning curve.


Agreed. Since I'm certainly a geek, I'm chaffing at the bit for the T-Mo
version of the Tilt, supposedly available in February...

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 18 Nov 2007 16:24:15 -0800 SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:
>
>> In any case, never buy the first version of a product, I'm sure
>> the second rev of the iPhone will add 3G, voice-dialing, and GPS
>> functionality, in order to compete against products like the AT&T
>> Tilt (HTC 8925). But the HTC 8925, while much more capable, is
>> also a lot more expensive,
>
> It's $299 w/2-year contract, but $549 without.

I saw an ad last week for $249 with contract. But that's the thing, a
lot of us don't want to be on AT&T contracts, because the AT&T coverage
isn't so great. This is why the massive effort to unlock the iPhone
happened, and also why sales were less than expectations forcing a price
cut.

Don Udel (ETC) wrote:

> It seems to me that once you get past the basics, you encounter a learning
> curve. A Nikon is harder to use than an instamatic. Component stereo is
> harder to use than a boombox. A Porsche is harder to drive than a Chevy.
> And on, and on, and on. Harder to learn does not equal inferior.

I agree, but for a lot of users, they will simply never even try to
learn how to operate something more complex. Usually there's a logical
structure to how a device works, but you have to understand that structure.

I.e., to me, it's perfectly logical that to watch TV I have to:

a) turn on the audio receiver and distribution center, and select
"Cable/SAT" (two key presses).

b) turn on the televison (two key presses).

c) select the TV input (TV/video) (one key press).

d) turn on the satellite receiver (two ket presses).

e) select the channel by a variety of method, including scrolling,
through the listings, or just scrolling through the channels.

The kids get it, I get it, but the spousal unit, who can operate
extremely complex medical equipment, took a long time to understand it.
And of course visitors usually have a hard time with it.

Of course there's also the old adage, "Design a system that even an
idiot can use, and only an idiot will want to use it."

In article <171120071457176935%[email protected]>,
Mitch <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <1i7j3f0.1fuszvzs4k9bzN%[email protected]>, Peter
> Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's
> > mainly for gadget freaks.
>
> Such a statement reflects that you think the ONLY important function of
> this device is it's internet operation.
>
> I have to figure you have hard it has more features than that?
>
> Features like a great music player, a great pocket-sized movie viewer,
> a fantastic way to share images, a great PDA... do any of these sound
> useful (not for you alone -- to any consumer) ?
>
> Note that few other devices offer most of those together -- mostly
> because of the poor screen res offered in the competition.

Just got back from Japan and had a very easy time using all the free
Wi-Fi available to access web and email from my iPhone. The large screen
makes it all so efficient.

What a great device!

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In article <[email protected]>, Mike
Jacoubowsky <[email protected]> wrote:

> >> When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's
> >> mainly for gadget freaks.
> >
> > Such a statement reflects that you think the ONLY important function of
> > this device is it's internet operation.
> >
> > I have to figure you have hard it has more features than that?
> >
> > Features like a great music player, a great pocket-sized movie viewer,
> > a fantastic way to share images, a great PDA... do any of these sound
> > useful (not for you alone -- to any consumer) ?
> >
> > Note that few other devices offer most of those together -- mostly
> > because of the poor screen res offered in the competition.
>
> So why, with all that built-in horsepower, doesn't it offer voice dialing?
I don't see any reference to 'horsepower' above, but I don't know why
it doesn't offer voice dialing.

> As we get more restrictions (for good reason) on use of cell phones in cars,
> voice dialing would seem like a good thing to have.
Uh... because you want to support use of cell phones in cars, in spite
of the good reasons?
Cell phone use isn't a bad idea only because you use a hand for it --
it's because people aren't thinking about driving when they do it.

> For that matter, it
> might be nice if the phone could tell you (via voice) who's calling, so you
> don't even have to look at it to know whether to answer or not. Could be
> that that's a feature it already has though. If not, seems like an
> opportunity for someone.
Interesting. I know phones can customize ringtones by user, I don't
know if iPhone can do it already. It would seem clear that it could
with a software update, since the hardware and software already show
the caller.

In article <[email protected]>, SMS ���������Ģ
§� <[email protected]> wrote:

> Todd Allcock wrote:
> > At 18 Nov 2007 16:24:15 -0800 SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:
> >
> >> In any case, never buy the first version of a product, I'm sure
> >> the second rev of the iPhone will add 3G, voice-dialing, and GPS
> >> functionality, in order to compete against products like the AT&T
> >> Tilt (HTC 8925). But the HTC 8925, while much more capable, is
> >> also a lot more expensive,
> >
> > It's $299 w/2-year contract, but $549 without.
>
> I saw an ad last week for $249 with contract. But that's the thing, a
> lot of us don't want to be on AT&T contracts, because the AT&T coverage
> isn't so great.
Sure it is -- it's fantastic! I never lose a call, never lose signal.
(See, you can't make broad claims on things that are either subjective
or really varying from region to region!)

> This is why the massive effort to unlock the iPhone
> happened, and also why sales were less than expectations forcing a price
> cut.
I don't think it was a 'massive' effort so much as a _publicized_ one.
Lots of people were writing about it, almost entirely online. Look back
at the players, you'll see it looks like quite a small effort, it just
happened to be for a well-discussed item.

Mitch <[email protected]> wrote:

> > For that matter, it
> > might be nice if the phone could tell you (via voice) who's calling, so you
> > don't even have to look at it to know whether to answer or not. Could be
> > that that's a feature it already has though. If not, seems like an
> > opportunity for someone.
> Interesting. I know phones can customize ringtones by user, I don't
> know if iPhone can do it already. It would seem clear that it could
> with a software update, since the hardware and software already show
> the caller.

you can easily do that with iToner...

http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/itoner/