Hey Oxford - more reality

Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Did you see this: The Fifth Avenue Apple store just opened and was the
> > most
> > dramatic, exciting and star-studded store event in Apple's history. The
> > Cube
> > was conceived to be the perfect entrance, the spiral glass stairs make for
> > a
> > history-raising grand entrance, and the store space itself is breathtaking.
> >
> > http://ifostore.ord.cachefly.net/fif...nue/index.html
>
> Actually, it opened May of last year.
> FYI- Did you know that the cube entrance was so expensive, Jobs paid for
> it out of his own pocket? True story.

yes, and part of the stipulation is he gets to keep it if he ever leaves
apple. kinda funny.

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Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> Not to mention the simple convenience of a consistant carrier, rather
> than constantly reconnecting to disparate WiFi networks,

the iPhone auto connects, so it's not a problem. Sounds like you use
windows. On a mac or iphone you either auto connect or select the
network without a lock with your mouse or finger. one click or one touch
is the most you have to do on apple products to join a wifi network.
then it remembers it forever from there on out.

> and,
> particularly in light of Oxford's continual regurgitation of the Gospel
> According to Steve WRT 3G power consumption, WiFi eats batteries like
> Homer Simspon goes through donuts. A standard "dumbphone" can go a week
> between recharges with casual use. Most WiFi-enabled handsets (cellular
> or cordless "Skypephones") can't make it through a single day's waking
> hours on a single charge.

incorrect. wifi on the iphone barely touches the battery, you can go a
full week with wifi on the entire time, you obviously haven't used an
iphone... and uses wifi for it's main data connection type.

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Bob Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Macs are priced the same as any major PC vendor.
>
> No, they are not. Where is the $700 mac laptop? Where is the $500
> Mac tower?

those aren't categories that Apple has products in, sorry Bob.

please stay on track, thanks.

At 15 Nov 2007 22:00:18 -0700 Oxford wrote:

> > Not to mention the simple convenience of a consistant carrier, rather
> > than constantly reconnecting to disparate WiFi networks,
>
> the iPhone auto connects, so it's not a problem. Sounds like you use
> windows. On a mac or iphone you either auto connect or select the
> network without a lock with your mouse or finger.

All modern wifi devices autoconnect. Which is fine for webrowsing, e-
mail or file transfers- the systems pauses a few seconds and reconnects-
no big deal. But as you well know, that's curtains for VoIP- the call
terminates everytime you change APs.

> the one click or one touch
> is the most you have to do on apple products to join a wifi network.

And then redial. Great cellular replacement you've discovered there,
Skippy.

> then it reme.bers it forever from there on out.

Just like a Windows machine, a Wi-Fi phone or any other Wi-fi device. We
all know how Wi-Fi works, Oxy. (BTW, if your Mac is so advanced, why do
you need to use Coconut WiFi? Doesn't your Mac automatically tell you if
a wireless network is available and if it's secure or open? Sounds like
you need to install Windows on your Macbook! ;-)

> > A standard "dumbphone" can go a week
> > between recharges with casual use. Most WiFi-enabled handsets
(cellular
> > or cordless "Skypephones") can't make it through a single day's waking
> > hours on a single charge.
>
> incorrect. wifi on the iphone barely touches the battery, you can go a
> full week with wifi on the entire time, you obviously haven't used an
> iphone...

Certainly not for a week, I haven't. And if you think it can stay
powered up with WiFi on for 7 days, I'm not so sure you've actually used
one either.

The kind folks at wirelessinfo.com have, however, and while they
certainly praised the iPhone for it's long battery life, they tested it
at about 6-1/2 hours of web-browsing with wi-fi on before the battery
crapped out, which equalled or exceeded most other smartphones they tested,

but it by no means lasted "a week" when on and connected to a network in
their tests.

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:colalovesosx-
[email protected]:

> Bob Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > Macs are priced the same as any major PC vendor.
>>
>> No, they are not. Where is the $700 mac laptop? Where is the $500
>> Mac tower?
>
> those aren't categories that Apple has products in, sorry Bob.
>
> please stay on track, thanks.
>

They don't have laptops?

CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> >> > Macs are priced the same as any major PC vendor.
> >>
> >> No, they are not. Where is the $700 mac laptop? Where is the $500
> >> Mac tower?
> >
> > those aren't categories that Apple has products in, sorry Bob.
> >
> > please stay on track, thanks.
>
> They don't have laptops?

not in the low function, sub $999 price point.

Bob got confused on the technical details before he posted.

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Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> >> > Macs are priced the same as any major PC vendor.
>> >>
>> >> No, they are not. Where is the $700 mac laptop? Where is the
>> >> $500 Mac tower?
>> >
>> > those aren't categories that Apple has products in, sorry Bob.
>> >
>> > please stay on track, thanks.
>>
>> They don't have laptops?
>
> not in the low function, sub $999 price point.
>
> Bob got confused on the technical details before he posted.
>
> -
>

No he didn't, and I'd be willing to bet that a number of $700 laptops do
more than an Apple.

And you said, "Macs are priced the same as any major PC vendor." Now you
say they don't. You lied again, newbie.

CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> No he didn't, and I'd be willing to bet that a number of $700 laptops do
> more than an Apple.

Bet... go find a $700 laptop that has more features than this.

http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html

In the box

* MacBook
* Apple Remote
* 60W MagSafe Power Adapter, AC wall plug, and power cord
* Lithium-polymer battery
* Install/restore DVDs
* Printed and electronic documentation

Intel core 2 Duo

Processor and memory

* 2.0GHz or 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor
* 4MB shared L2 cache running at full processor speed
* 800MHz frontside bus
* 1GB (two 512MB SO-DIMMs) of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300); two
SO-DIMM slots support up to 4GB

Storage

* 80GB, 120GB, or 160GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard disk drive;
optional 120GB, 160GB, or 250GB 5400-rpm drive1
* One of the following optical drives:
o 24x slot-loading Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
+ Reads DVDs at up to 8x speed
+ Writes CD-R discs at up to 24x speed
+ Writes CD-RW discs at up to 16x speed
+ Reads CDs at up to 24x speed
o 8x slot-loading SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
+ Maximum write: 8x DVD-R, DVD+R; 4x DVD-R DL (double
layer), DVD+R DL (double layer), DVD-RW, DVD+RW; 24x CD-R; 10x CD-RW
+ Maximum read: 8x DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-ROM; 6x DVD-ROM
(double layer DVD-9), DVD-R DL (double layer), DVD+R DL (double layer),
DVD-RW, and DVD+RW; 24x CD

MagSafe power adapter coiled

Battery and power

* 55-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery (with integrated charge
indicator LEDs) providing up to 6 hours of battery life2
* 60W MagSafe Power Adapter with cable management system
* MagSafe power adapter port

Display

* 13.3-inch (diagonal) glossy widescreen TFT display with support
for millions of colors
* Supported resolutions: 1280 by 800 (native), 1152 by 720, 1024 by
768, 1024 by 640, 800 by 600, 800 by 500, 720 by 480, and 640 by 480
pixels at 16:10 aspect ratio; 1024 by 768, 800 by 600, and 640 by 480
pixels at 4:3 aspect ratio; 720 by 480 pixels at 3:2 aspect ratio

Graphics and video support

* Intel GMA X3100 graphics processor with 144MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared
with main memory3
* Extended desktop and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full
native resolution on the built-in display and up to 1920 by 1200 pixels
on an external display, both at millions of colors
* iSightBuilt-in iSight camera
* Mini-DVI port
* DVI output using mini-DVI to DVI adapter (sold separately)
* VGA output using mini-DVI to VGA adapter (sold separately)
* Composite and S-video output using mini-DVI to video adapter (sold
separately)

Communications
USB Modem

* Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet (RJ-45 connector)
* Built-in AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi (based on IEEE 802.11n draft
specification)4
* Built-in Bluetooth 2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate (EDR)
* Optional external Apple USB Modem

Audio

* Built-in stereo speakers
* Built-in omnidirectional microphone
* Combined optical digital audio input/audio line in (minijack)
* Combined optical digital audio output/headphone out (minijack)

Peripheral connections

* One FireWire 400 port (up to 400 Mbps)
* Two USB 2.0 ports (up to 480 Mbps)

EnergyStar Electrical and environmental requirements

* Meets ENERGY STAR requirements
* Line voltage: 100-240V AC
* Frequency: 50Hz to 60Hz
* Operating temperature: 50° to 95° F (10° to 35° C)
* Storage temperature: -13° to 113° F (-24° to 45° C)
* Relative humidity: 0% to 90% noncondensing
* Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet
* Maximum storage altitude: 15,000 feet
* Maximum shipping altitude: 35,000 feet

Size and weight

* Height: 1.08 inches (2.75 cm)
* Width: 12.78 inches (32.5 cm)
* Depth: 8.92 inches (22.7 cm)
* Weight: 5.0 pounds (2.27 kg)

Software

* Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard (includes Time Machine, Quick Look, Spaces,
Spotlight, Dashboard, Mail, iChat, Safari, Address Book, QuickTime,
iCal, DVD Player, Photo Booth, Front Row, Xcode Developer Tools)
* iLife ¹08 (includes iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb,
GarageBand), Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac Test Drive, iWork ¹08 (30-day
trial)

Input

* Built-in full-size keyboard with 78 (U.S.) or 79 (ISO) keys,
including 12 function keys, and 4 arrow keys (inverted "T" arrangement)
* Solid-state scrolling trackpad for precise cursor control;
supports two-finger scrolling, tap, double-tap, and drag capabilities
* Apple Remote

Security

* Kensington cable lock slot

Full Retail - $1,099

http://www.apple.com/macbook/macbook.html

Current price $1025, no tax, free shipping

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> No he didn't, and I'd be willing to bet that a number of $700 laptops
>> do more than an Apple.
>
> Bet... go find a $700 laptop that has more features than this.
>
>

I win- every one I looked at had all of those features and more.

CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> > Bet... go find a $700 laptop that has more features than this.
> >
> >
>
> I win- every one I looked at had all of those features and more.

no they didn't, even on the high-end most pc laptops don't have built in
cameras, so by default you are lying.

post a link if you want to win the bet. no link, i win!

"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
[email protected] on 11/17/07 7:53 AM:

> Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>>
>>> No he didn't, and I'd be willing to bet that a number of $700 laptops
>>> do more than an Apple.
>>
>> Bet... go find a $700 laptop that has more features than this.
>>
>>
>
> I win- every one I looked at had all of those features and more.

Damn, Oxford, once he posts those links you sure are going to have egg on
your face!

Oh.

Never mind.


--
Teachers open the door but you must walk through it yourself.

Snit <[email protected]> wrote in news:C36459FB.99C0B%
[email protected]:

> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
> [email protected] on 11/17/07 7:53 AM:
>
>> Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No he didn't, and I'd be willing to bet that a number of $700 laptops
>>>> do more than an Apple.
>>>
>>> Bet... go find a $700 laptop that has more features than this.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I win- every one I looked at had all of those features and more.
>
> Damn, Oxford, once he posts those links you sure are going to have egg on
> your face!
>
> Oh.
>
> Never mind.
>
>

Gee, Snot- you seem awfulk sure of yourself. You might want to research a
little more before stepping into it like that.

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:linuxlovesosx-
[email protected]:

> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> > Bet... go find a $700 laptop that has more features than this.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I win- every one I looked at had all of those features and more.
>
> no they didn't, even on the high-end most pc laptops don't have built in
> cameras, so by default you are lying.

Ah- but I only need one in the $700 range, don't I?


>
> post a link if you want to win the bet. no link, i win!

I don't need a link- as an expert in the field, my word is the only thing
required (sound familiar?).

"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
[email protected] on 11/17/07 11:21 AM:

> Snit <[email protected]> wrote in news:C36459FB.99C0B%
> [email protected]:
>
>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>> [email protected] on 11/17/07 7:53 AM:
>>
>>> Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No he didn't, and I'd be willing to bet that a number of $700 laptops
>>>>> do more than an Apple.
>>>>
>>>> Bet... go find a $700 laptop that has more features than this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I win- every one I looked at had all of those features and more.
>>
>> Damn, Oxford, once he posts those links you sure are going to have egg on
>> your face!
>>
>> Oh.
>>
>> Never mind.
>>
>>
>
> Gee, Snot- you seem awfulk sure of yourself. You might want to research a
> little more before stepping into it like that.

Hey! You forgot the links! LOL!


--
When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how
to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong. -- R. Buckminster Fuller

Snit <[email protected]> wrote in
news:C364899D.99C68%[email protected]:

> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
> [email protected] on 11/17/07 11:21 AM:
>
>> Snit <[email protected]> wrote in news:C36459FB.99C0B%
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>>> [email protected] on 11/17/07 7:53 AM:
>>>
>>>> Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No he didn't, and I'd be willing to bet that a number of $700
>>>>>> laptops do more than an Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bet... go find a $700 laptop that has more features than this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I win- every one I looked at had all of those features and more.
>>>
>>> Damn, Oxford, once he posts those links you sure are going to have
>>> egg on your face!
>>>
>>> Oh.
>>>
>>> Never mind.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Gee, Snot- you seem awfulk sure of yourself. You might want to
>> research a little more before stepping into it like that.
>
> Hey! You forgot the links! LOL!
>
>

I posted it and strangely enough, you didn't respond to that one, Snot.
How interesting.