Next Up - The iPhone in China

Nobody you want to meet.... wrote:
> <snip>
> do you realize this discussion is cross posted with the following groups:
> comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.cellular.attws,alt.cellular.verizon,alt.cellular.nokia,alt.cellular.t-mobile
>
>
Yes we know. Oxtard's stupidity can be shown all over usenet!

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"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
[email protected] on 11/14/07 4:55 PM:

> Snit <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:C360D3B4.994F0%[email protected]:
>
>
>>
>> You are back to merely counting features. That is not what the iPhone
>> is about.
>>
>
> No- I'm counting used commonly used features. GPS, 3G data transfer and
> seamless email syncing are just a few of commonly used features missing
> from the iPhone. And I haven't even gone into the list of "features" on
> the iPhone that are fairly useless, despite claims of "cutting edge
> technology."

3G was left out, likely, for battery issues. Not sure about the other two.


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"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> But not having WiFi is very rare. Just curious to you live in
> Washington, a kinda "backwater technological" State? If so, now we know
> why you get confused. Move to a more modern area and you'll see what I'm
> talking about.
>

It is always soooo obvious that idiot fanboy Oxford knows little to nothing.

Seattle is now a tech "backwater'??? Facts being spun to support his
bull****?

Does moron Oxford have a fraction of a clue about Seattle?

That it is in the top 5??

If everywhere wifi isn't available THERE (in Seattle), it just isn't
happening.....

Interesting..I wonder if his mama tried to breast feed him, and he rejected
it?
"Jon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Nobody you want to meet.... wrote:
>> <snip>
>> do you realize this discussion is cross posted with the following groups:
>> comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.cellular.attws,alt.cellular.verizon,alt.cellular.nokia,alt.cellular.t-mobile
> Yes we know. Oxtard's stupidity can be shown all over usenet!

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> what? only if you live in a poor area. here... there is open wireless
> everywhere, i see you use windows so that typically means you are poorly
> educated, thus live in a poor area. but if you move to a better area
> you'll see plenty of open wifi.
>
>> Hell, if you are on a bus or in a car, you cannot maintain a wifi
>> connection, as wifi does not transmit far.
>
> and we are not talking about that, we are talking about where you spend
> 90% of your time, in which you have full access to wifi.
>
> guess you weren't around when it was discovered that 3G "halves" your
> battery life, makes your phone nearly twice as thick and has no coverage
> except in 35 cities. 3G very well may happen, but SJ hasn't approved of
> it as yet, so it's not going to be a broad standard until that happens.


You ARE a ****in' Icretin...!
I use 3G every day, (on battery also) - and it lasts just fine you idiot.

You don't have a clue, do you??

On the freeway at speed, on the street, everywhere I go.
I can even stream video if I want - at 60MPH.

Not just in the local coffee shop or stealing it from an open AP.

Your moronic skewing of what wifi is and what it was meant to be
is highly hilarious - quite funny comedy.

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ness Net wrote:
> If everywhere wifi isn't available THERE (in Seattle), it just isn't
> happening.....

There's certainly lots of Wi-Fi in Seattle, but these days most networks
are locked down by a combination of MAC address filtering, WPA (nobody
uses WEP any more) and SSID broadcast disable.

A few coffeehouses have free Wi-Fi (mostly to compete with Starbucks which
charges $30/month for its Wi-Fi), but even these are starting to require
that you buy something, and then they give you today's WPA key or a login
good for an hour's worth of time. There was free Wi-Fi in public areas
(e.g., the ferries) but that is now a fee service too.

It's the same situation in Japan.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Mark Crispin wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ness Net wrote:
>> If everywhere wifi isn't available THERE (in Seattle), it just isn't
>> happening.....
>
> There's certainly lots of Wi-Fi in Seattle, but these days most networks
> are locked down by a combination of MAC address filtering, WPA (nobody
> uses WEP any more) and SSID broadcast disable.
>
> A few coffeehouses have free Wi-Fi (mostly to compete with Starbucks
> which charges $30/month for its Wi-Fi), but even these are starting to
> require that you buy something, and then they give you today's WPA key
> or a login good for an hour's worth of time. There was free Wi-Fi in
> public areas (e.g., the ferries) but that is now a fee service too.
>
> It's the same situation in Japan.

WiFi for use with phones was actually dealt a blow by Clearwire and
Sprint, as they scrapped plans for a joint WiMax network. Of course this
WiMax network wouldn't have been free, but as least it would have been
able to solve many of the issues with using WiFi for voice.

The WiMax network probably isn't dead, it's just that Sprint was too
weak financially to invest that much capital. Intel will likely step in
and work with Clearwire on the WiMax deployment, as they've got a big
stake in WiMax.

Ultimately, phones will be able to automatically use WiFi when available
(for both voice and data) and when the phone is not moving out of range,
and use the cellular networks when mobile. You see this already
starting, for voice, with Cubic Telecom's offerings
("http://www.cubictelecom.com/phones/").

Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote in
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> A few coffeehouses have free Wi-Fi (mostly to compete with
Starbucks
> which charges $30/month for its Wi-Fi), but even these are
starting to
> require that you buy something, and then they give you today's
WPA key
> or a login good for an hour's worth of time. There was free
Wi-Fi in
> public areas (e.g., the ferries) but that is now a fee service
too.
>
>

Keep it out there, will ya? The trend in Charleston is to offer
free wifi for 24 hours in all hotels, so you can use it as a
guest in the lobby. Panera Bread offers free wifi and their cafe
is always littered with buyers pouring over their laptops. At
the price they charge for a sandwich, I guess you could say
you're paying, indirectly. There's plenty of free wifi, here.
All the small hotels/motels have free wifi. Most marinas have
free wifi for the yachties. They charge so much for a dock
space, I think they feel guilty just providing a few Kwh of power
and two cleats...(c;



Larry
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=?UTF-8?B?U01TIOaWr+iSguaWh+KAoiDlpI8=?= <[email protected]>
wrote in news:[email protected]:



>
> WiFi for use with phones was actually dealt a blow by Clearwire and
> Sprint, as they scrapped plans for a joint WiMax network. Of course
> this WiMax network wouldn't have been free, but as least it would have
> been able to solve many of the issues with using WiFi for voice.
>

How so?

"Mark Crispin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ness Net wrote:
>> If everywhere wifi isn't available THERE (in Seattle), it just isn't
>> happening.....
>
> There's certainly lots of Wi-Fi in Seattle, but these days most networks
> are locked down by a combination of MAC address filtering, WPA (nobody
> uses WEP any more) and SSID broadcast disable.
>
> A few coffeehouses have free Wi-Fi (mostly to compete with Starbucks which
> charges $30/month for its Wi-Fi), but even these are starting to require
> that you buy something, and then they give you today's WPA key or a login
> good for an hour's worth of time. There was free Wi-Fi in public areas
> (e.g., the ferries) but that is now a fee service too.
>
> It's the same situation in Japan.
>
> -- Mark --

Yes, I live and work in (according to moron Oxford) that "backwater
technological" area.

Sitting currently in DT Seattle, doing a wifi scan, I see 15 (broadcasting)
access points.
Only 2 of them are open. One of them is highly suspect.

Not yet discussed is the subject of nefarious intent. Fake access points and
other
ways to steal info - or worse. Fanatic fanboy hasn't touched THAT one....

Oxford is an idiot - completely out of touch with the REAL world.

"Don Udel \(ETC\)" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Not only that, but I suspect Oxy wants those who are providing
open
> APs to also make sure they have UPS protection on not only the
access
> point but also the DSL modem/Cable box. Sure would be a shame
if all
> the freeloaders got cut off during a power outage or storm.
>
> Cell service is certainly not lifeline capable; but at least
the
> towers have backup generators.
>
> Another question: If I have a unsecured and open AP, can I
then sniff
> the packets coming through my AP that others are using without
my
> permission?
>

Done! My main router is secured, the one inside the house, only
because I want them to connect up to the BETTER router running
200mw 55' up a Southern oak in my yard with 9db space-diversity
antennas. I get reports of 2 miles coverage from a Pringle's
Cantenna pointed my way from across the river, but only 1 mile
from behind the slope I live on towards the East. The tree
router is totally unprotected and open to anyone who needs a wifi
link TEMPORARILY. A few constant use neighbors, having
overstayed their welcome, have their MAC addresses locked out.
It's time they paid for their own, one would hope OPEN, wifi
access.

Help yourselves to the bandwidth. I rarely am off-the-air,
unplugging the open router only if I need to do something
important. I do not dump previously-contacted military users
from the nearby base who cannot get wifi, only SELLphone modem
interconnect, in their barracks. I was once one of those single,
poor enlisted E-3's myself...(c; I support our troops, 100%, but
NOT our Illuminati Freemason leaders, who are leading us to ruin.

You'll find several hotspot markers at strategic intersections
near home with the information to connect.

What has happened in 4 years? Nothing! Some kids used it when
Mom couldn't afford to pay her cable bill. Some military
enlisted use it all the time. No abuse I know of has taken
place, and there's no nanny software running on it. My "hotspot
email addy", on the markers, has resulted in some thanks from
traveling business people who have taken note of it to get their
email and office intranet access from it.

I have about $250 invested in the "Tree Hotspot on the River".
It's been fun. I even made the base newspaper, once, with
pictures taken with my "users" next to their rooftop Pringle's
Antennas. There's a little cluster that's "tolerated" as long as
it doesn't show from the street...(c;

I don't think I can "sniff" their packets on these simple
routers. I see errors in the log, once in a while, mostly caused
by brief interruptions in service when I'm upgrading one of the
computers....or its raining, which causes brief interruptions if
it's bad enough on such weak-signal propagation. It's only
200mw!

Too bad more wifi owners are so paranoid they have it all locked
up. If someone does something bad, you're protected by the same
law the ISPs are protected by...passthrough. I checked with
local law enforcement and my attorney. Legally, a side benefit
of being "open" is they have to PROVE it was YOU accessing
zzzzz.com, which is impossible to do as nothing is logged. "I
have no idea", you say looking straight at the prosecutor, "who
downloads what on my hotspot. I have many users, even the boys
in the barracks at the base!", noticing 3 jurors starting to
smile. "I have no control of where they browse or download from.
That would be snooping and not right.", I say cranking up the
frequency and volume on those last two words.

Prosecutors know they'd have no case. They're stupid, but not
THAT stupid. Having an OPEN HOTSPOT is NOT A CRIME!

Yet........



Larry
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"LHA" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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crying to mommy when you can't handle the truth?

grow up LHA, qwest supports my views, not yours. deal with it.

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Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ness Net wrote:
> > If everywhere wifi isn't available THERE (in Seattle), it just isn't
> > happening.....
>
> There's certainly lots of Wi-Fi in Seattle, but these days most networks
> are locked down by a combination of MAC address filtering, WPA (nobody
> uses WEP any more) and SSID broadcast disable.

but that's mainly a result that windows machines / the OS is so poorly
designed, that people in that area have little choice. bill gates has
made WiFi unsafe since he has no computer background, few people know,
but he comes from a family of lawyers, he doesn't have a clue about
computing.

http://www.klgates.com/

mainly mac cities have open wireless pretty much everywhere since you
can't break into macs / osx.

seattle is the detroit of computer tech, crime ridden, and full of
people that can only build shoddy products. (Vista, Office, Exchange,
Xbox, Zune, etc, etc)

no wonder Mark doesn't understand wireless, or where the industry is
heading. he lives in the "detroit" of computing.

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Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ness Net wrote:
>> > If everywhere wifi isn't available THERE (in Seattle), it just
>> > isn't happening.....
>>
>> There's certainly lots of Wi-Fi in Seattle, but these days most
>> networks are locked down by a combination of MAC address filtering,
>> WPA (nobody uses WEP any more) and SSID broadcast disable.
>
> but that's mainly a result that windows machines / the OS is so poorly
> designed,

Actually, it has nothing to do with the machines being used, moron.


> that people in that area have little choice.

They have plenty of choice and made the right one.

> bill gates has
> made WiFi unsafe since he has no computer background, few people know,
> but he comes from a family of lawyers,


Let me guess- you come from a family of simpletons?


> he doesn't have a clue about
> computing.

Then you both have something in common.

>
> http://www.klgates.com/
>
> mainly mac cities have open wireless pretty much everywhere since you
> can't break into macs / osx.

Name one mainly mac city. That would mean that over half of the machines
are macs, just to be clear.