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  1. #61
    ZnU
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    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    In article <[email protected]>,
    CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

    > Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:021220071558458851%[email protected]:


    > > Considering other companies are already coping it, that bet is already
    > > on the way to being won.
    > >

    >
    > Or, it will be a flash in the pan and once the newness wears off, it
    > fades into the sunset, just like toouch screen interfaces for computers
    > did. It looks cool, but it is not something people look for in a
    > computing or communications product.


    Having a screen-based keyboard allows for a larger screen. A large
    screen is more important than text input, on a media player phone.

    --
    "That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
    about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
    that interesting?"
    - George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006



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  2. #62
    ZnU
    Guest

    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    In article <[email protected]>,
    CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

    > Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:021220071612358921%[email protected]:


    > > OK, whatever. I can see I'm wasting my time with this already. :-\

    >
    >
    > No, please- go on. Tell me how I have erred by having a portable
    > device, that while not the ideal, presents me with a way of doing
    > business seamlessly without having to bog myself down with a larger and
    > clumsier alternative.


    Where you've erred is in assuming that the iPhone targets the same
    market as your current device. (The market you're apparently in.)

    --
    "That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
    about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
    that interesting?"
    - George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006



  3. #63
    DTC
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    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    ZnU wrote:
    > Where you've erred is in assuming that the iPhone targets the same
    > market as your current device. (The market you're apparently in.)


    He's also erred in assuming other manufactures' development and
    cellphone companies are static in their products.




  4. #64
    Mitch
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    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    In article <[email protected]>, nospamatall <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > It won't be bulky and the power consumption will be lower. That's the
    > reason they didn't implement it yet.


    I think there was also a story about not contracting with the company
    that was to provide the control chips because they were entering a
    major lawsuit at the time.



  5. #65
    -hh
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    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    On Dec 1, 10:37 pm, Julian Macassey <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Elmo P. Shagnasty <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > Another Oxford sock puppet.

    >
    > I am? the things I learn on usenet.



    Hey - I was supposed to be Oxford's sockpuppet for all of yesterday!
    Stop crowding :-)



    Apparently, this is the biggest insult that this anonymous coward
    troll can think of.



    -hh



  6. #66
    -hh
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    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
    > -hh <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
    > >> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> > Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated:

    >
    > >> >> > My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
    > >> >> > Wanna try again?

    >
    > >> >> What phone? How big is its screen?

    >
    > >> > And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
    > >> > touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)

    >
    > >> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
    > >> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.

    >
    > > And yet this device lacks a manufacturer's name or model number.

    >
    > > Amazing.

    >
    > > -hh

    >
    > It could one of dozens, couldn't it? Why is it so important to know which
    > one?


    Because baseless claims are unfortunately all too common online, which
    leads to far too many non-credible posters. Simply providing the make/
    model shouldn't be a big deal, but avoiding being accountable leads to
    lower credibility. This is your chance to blow it completely.


    FWIW, I generally also don't give a **** about the fancy features, but
    I am looking for superior battery life. If you've found a suitable
    product, I am currently in the market for a new phone. My main
    criteria is that I'm going to be dumping Verizon because I need GSM
    for Europe and I prefer to carry only one phone instead of two.


    -hh





  7. #67
    CozmicDebris
    Guest

    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    ZnU <[email protected]> wrote in news:znu-0AFA10.01433302122007
    @news.individual.net:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
    >
    >> Anybody <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> news:021220071612358921%[email protected]:

    >
    >> > OK, whatever. I can see I'm wasting my time with this already. :-\

    >>
    >>
    >> No, please- go on. Tell me how I have erred by having a portable
    >> device, that while not the ideal, presents me with a way of doing
    >> business seamlessly without having to bog myself down with a larger and
    >> clumsier alternative.

    >
    > Where you've erred is in assuming that the iPhone targets the same
    > market as your current device. (The market you're apparently in.)
    >


    I didn't err anywhere- if you read this part of the thread again, you'll
    see that I am simply stating the functionality I use on my phone. Others
    are jumping in to tell me that I can do all of that with a laptop, implying
    that the need for it on a phone is absurd.



  8. #68
    CozmicDebris
    Guest

    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    DTC <[email protected]> wrote in news0u4j.74792$YL5.18873
    @newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:

    > ZnU wrote:
    >> Where you've erred is in assuming that the iPhone targets the same
    >> market as your current device. (The market you're apparently in.)

    >
    > He's also erred in assuming other manufactures' development and
    > cellphone companies are static in their products.
    >


    I made no such error.



  9. #69
    SMS 斯蒂文• 夏
    Guest

    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    > In article
    > <[email protected]>,
    > -hh <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> Poor battery engineering, more likely.

    >> Oddly enough, Apple is using the same Li-Ion package as the rest of
    >> industry. This makes this cowardly troll's "speculation" clearly
    >> wrong.

    >
    > Sure it is, Oxford. (Yeah, we know it's you.) Or poor/slipshod
    > engineering overall. Let's face it: Steve Jobs's mania for batteries
    > that can't be taken out and replaced by the end user was an engineering
    > decision made by a non-engineer, made by a marketing huckster, and
    > forced him to come up with some bull**** about how "we don't want to do
    > 3G because of battery life".


    The iPhone does not use a Li-Ion battery.



  10. #70
    CozmicDebris
    Guest

    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    -hh <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:




    >
    >
    > FWIW, I generally also don't give a **** about the fancy features, but
    > I am looking for superior battery life. If you've found a suitable
    > product, I am currently in the market for a new phone. My main
    > criteria is that I'm going to be dumping Verizon because I need GSM
    > for Europe and I prefer to carry only one phone instead of two.
    >


    In all honesty, I won't be able to help you much here. I am currently
    using CDMA for most of my needs, particularly because of the larger high
    speed data footprint where I'm inclined to be. It does meaning to get a
    local phone when I travel outside the country, but the downside is minimal
    compared to the benefit of having high speed for the great majority of my
    travels.

    This sin't to say that we don't have GSM phones in the house, but they are
    more geared towards voice and texting.




  11. #71
    Tim Smith
    Guest

    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    On 2007-12-02, SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > The iPhone does not use a Li-Ion battery.


    Apple seems to think it does. It says:

    "Built-in rechargeable lithium ion battery"

    right on the tech specs page at apple.com.




  12. #72
    DTC
    Guest

    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    CozmicDebris wrote:
    > DTC <[email protected]> wrote in news0u4j.74792$YL5.18873
    > @newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
    >
    >> ZnU wrote:
    >>> Where you've erred is in assuming that the iPhone targets the same
    >>> market as your current device. (The market you're apparently in.)

    >> He's also erred in assuming other manufactures' development and
    >> cellphone companies are static in their products.
    >>

    >
    > I made no such error.


    Opps...sorry Cozmic, that was wasn't directed at you.

    I was pointing out how Oxford erred in saying over the next several
    years, Apple will overtake cellphone companies with innovation. He erred
    in assuming manufactures' development and cellphone companies would not
    also do any innovation.



  13. #73
    Dennis Ferguson
    Guest

    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    On 2007-12-02, Elmo P. Shagnasty <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In article
    ><53ef784b-a380-4f73-b239-50d84962117c@d61g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
    > -hh <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > hmmmmmm. "anonymous coward troll".
    >> >
    >> > How's this: just so YOU aren't tarred with the same brush, let's see
    >> > your real name, your address, and your phone number.

    >>
    >>
    >> First, I'm not the one hiding behind X-No-Archive, so I could suggest
    >> that you go first.

    >
    > No no, you're the one who made the claim. x-no-archive doesn't make
    > anyone anonymous. But your name, -hh, certainly doesn't say who YOU are.
    >
    > So since you brought it up, put your money where your mouth is. Stop
    > being an anonymous coward troll, and tell us your name, your address,
    > and your phone number.


    Notice he also said in that post:

    >> Third, you could have simply checked out the registration information
    >> for the domain that I'm posting this from. Obviously, you didn't
    >> bother to do that.


    I think he already told you what you're asking him for. Does he get
    some money now?

    Dennis Ferguson



  14. #74
    Dennis Ferguson
    Guest

    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    On 2007-12-01, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
    > At 01 Dec 2007 08:50:00 -0500 Charles wrote:
    >
    >> They are going to LTE for 4G which is the GSM upgrade to 4G, not the US
    >> CDMA upgrade to 4G.

    >
    > While it's an upgrade to UMTS, the GSM 3G standard, keep in mind that these
    > advanced data standards have little to do with the original TDMA-based GSM
    > spec, and are actually "wideband CDMA."


    While the GSM 3G standard used WCDMA for the air interface, 4G LTE
    doesn't. It uses OFDM (like 802.11g above 11 Mbps) on the downlink
    and something else which I'm too lazy to google on the uplink. CDMA
    was originally a low-speed fallback option in the original LTE proposal,
    but this was written out (at the demand of operators, who would only
    sign up for LTE is IP licensing charges were no more than 5% of equipment
    cost) to reduce or eliminate Qualcomm contributions from the patent pool,
    since Qualcomm is widely blamed for the fact that IP licensing is apparently
    more than 30% of the cost of 3G equipment.

    Since the usual suspects seem to be bailing on Qualcomm's 4G alternative,
    and since the 4G alternative everyone likes avoids using Qualcomm IP,
    it seems like Qualcomm might eventually have to work for a living.

    >> You might not want to call it switching to GSM,
    >> maybe evolving to the future GSM would be the way to put it, but in the
    >> end Verizon will be on GSM.

    >
    > The irony, of course, is back when GSM adopted W-CDMA as the GSM 3G standard,
    > many people posted on these NGs that GSM carriers were switching to CDMA!


    It is kind of different this time, though. While the RF protocol is
    neither TDMA or WCDMA, LTE is definitely the GSM 4G. I wonder whether
    Verizon will introduce CDMA phones with R-UIM slots as part of the
    transition.

    Dennis Ferguson



  15. #75
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: New iPhones to use 3G network

    CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

    > > It won't be bulky and the power consumption will be lower. That's the
    > > reason they didn't implement it yet.
    > >

    >
    > My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life. Wanna try
    > again?


    but only HALF the life of the iPhone battery, and you must live in very
    specific areas to see any gain, AND that is if you don't have normal
    access to standard 802.11.

    so 3G just doesn't make since for 98% of the world's population. apple
    knows that, but you yet do not.



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