Did Apple just trump AT&T? It appears so...

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> stated in post
[email protected] on 12/3/07 10:32 AM:

> In article <C3796EAC.9C1F1%[email protected]>,
> Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> That's half the answer.
>>>
>> And the only "half" that will be posted, being that you shan't ever add
>> anything of value, eh?
>
> Still waiting for Oxtard, the sole expert of Apple history, to reach
> into the archives and tell everyone...
>
Interesting excuse... basically you want others to read your mind to figure
out what *you* think is important. Heck, Adele Goldberg has a pretty large
influence in many areas, so what one thing you are thinking about is pretty
much a guessing gsme. SmallTalk and its influence on AppleScript /
HyperCard? Is that what you are thinking? Who knows... you are simply not
willing to say unless people play your game.


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In article <[email protected]>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <C3796EAC.9C1F1%[email protected]>,
> Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > That's half the answer.
> > >
> > And the only "half" that will be posted, being that you shan't ever add
> > anything of value, eh?
>
> Still waiting for Oxtard, the sole expert of Apple history, to reach
> into the archives and tell everyone...

Don't you ever get tired of boring everyone to death?

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> stated in post
[email protected] on 12/3/07 5:06 PM:

> In article <C3799BD7.9C25F%[email protected]>,
> Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Still waiting for Oxtard, the sole expert of Apple history, to reach
>>> into the archives and tell everyone...
>>>
>> Interesting excuse... basically you want others to read your mind to figure
>> out what *you* think is important.
>
> Not at all.
>
>> Heck, Adele Goldberg has a pretty large influence in many areas, so what one
>> thing you are thinking about is pretty much a guessing gsme. SmallTalk and
>> its influence on AppleScript / HyperCard? Is that what you are thinking?
>> Who knows... you are simply not willing to say unless people play your game.
>
> That Oxtard misses it, and that you miss it, is your problem.

Gee, I even played your guessing game. Face it: you are merely playing it
to get attention...



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Henry Flam wrote:

> Don't you ever get tired of boring everyone to death?


You're late to post, but in the running, scoring well.

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:59:13 -0700, Oxford
<[email protected]> wrote:
>This rings true of what I've been saying all along, it appears even AT&T
>is now scared of Apple and its business intentions...

Why are you posting this in a Nokia group?

Why are you posting this in a Nokia group?



On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:21:39 -0800, "Cubit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Lawyers.
>Contract terms.
>
>"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> This rings true of what I've been saying all along, it appears even AT&T
>> is now scared of Apple and its business intentions...
>>
>> Keep in mind, the iPhone is only one small update away from making EVERY
>> iPhone compatible with VoIP, then simply dropping the old cell network
>> like a hot potato.
>>
>> AT&T needs to be very careful here, Apple is a much stronger company, so
>> they need to play nice or end up like IBM.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Important Parts Here:
>>
>> What I believe is troubling the relationship between AT&T and Apple is
>> the upcoming auction for 700-MHz wireless spectrum and AT&T's discovery
>> that -- as I have predicted for weeks -- Apple will be joining Google in
>> bidding. AT&T thought its five-year "exclusive" iPhone agreement with
>> Apple would have precluded such a bid, but that just shows how poorly
>> Randall Stephenson understood Steve Jobs. Steve always hurts his friends
>> to see how much they really love him, so AT&T probably should have
>> expected this kind of corporate body blow.
>>
>> To his credit, Stephenson took the dispute to the streets this way,
>> showing he isn't intimidated by Jobs. It was a bold and rare response
>> for big business and was definitely unexpected by Cupertino, which won't
>> underestimate AT&T again.
>>
>> I'm not privy to any inside details here, but there are two ways I can
>> see Jobs rationalizing his auction position and they aren't necessarily
>> exclusive. He could claim to intend the 700-MHz auction participation as
>> a pure investment, just a good use for the $30+ billion Apple has
>> squirreled away.
>>
>> Nah.
>>
>> Or Jobs could tell AT&T that Apple is investing solely in a DATA network
>> for which it has no voice ambitions. Maybe all MacBooks will soon get
>> 700-MHz access cards.
>>
>> This excuse rings truer, but of course it would still be a scam on
>> Steve's part.
>>
>> It would not surprise me at all if this were the case and when the
>> 700-MHz network is finally up and running Jobs claims astonishment that
>> the most popular data application is Voice over IP, a direct competitor
>> to AT&T Wireless. This may be part of the reason why Apple has been so
>> slow approving third-party iPhone applications. Wouldn't your first
>> application be a VoIP client?
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Full Article Here:
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/1uh83
>>
>> -
>
>

Why are you posting this in a Nokia group?



On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 04:25:21 +0000 (UTC), Craig Ian Dewick
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Oxford <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>This rings true of what I've been saying all along, it appears even AT&T
>>is now scared of Apple and its business intentions...
>
>>Keep in mind, the iPhone is only one small update away from making EVERY
>>iPhone compatible with VoIP, then simply dropping the old cell network
>>like a hot potato.
>
>>AT&T needs to be very careful here, Apple is a much stronger company, so
>>they need to play nice or end up like IBM.
>
>Glad that iphones are still regarded purely as a gimmick here in Australia.
>They're a load of ****.
>
>Craig.
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Why are you posting this in a Nokia group?



On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:54:26 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Keep in mind, the iPhone is only one small update away from making EVERY
>> iPhone compatible with VoIP, then simply dropping the old cell network
>> like a hot potato.
>
>Internet tablets such as the Nokia N800 already support VoIP... and I'd defy
>you to find many people who routinely use one who aren't also carrying a cell
>phone. The landscape is certainly set to change in the next, say, five years
>but today for a serious phone user (who cares primarily about reliability and
>not so much about the cost) wirelesss VoIP alone isn't viable.
>
>> Or Jobs could tell AT&T that Apple is investing solely in a DATA network
>> for which it has no voice ambitions.
>
>Anyone would see through that -- once you already have a data *network* in
>place, adding the extensions to support prioritized traffic (needed to get
>decent performance for VoIP) is easy.
>
>

Why are you posting this in a Nokia group?



On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:56:14 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <C378AE84.9C082%[email protected]>,
> Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > Anyway, Jobs and company saw nothing BUT the GUI, and completely missed
>> > the significance of the network and the printing. COMPLETELY.
>>
>> And yet Apple was very early in the home networking environment (did
>> *anyone* beat them to that... think of the old PhoneNet adapters) and they
>> pretty much created the desktop publishing industry.
>> >
>> > Jobs was so blind, it wasn't funny.
>>
>> Support?
>>
>
>Plenty. Just read the record.
>
>I'm waiting for Oxtard to go back to what he was SPOON-FED and read it.
>
>Oh, wait--you're oxtard, aren't you?
>

Why are you posting this in a Nokia group?


On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:48:36 -0700, Snit <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> stated in post
>[email protected] on 12/2/07 6:36 PM:
>
>> In article <C378A06B.9C06C%[email protected]>,
>> Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
>>>> of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.
>>>
>>> He did not want Jobs to see the famous Xerox tour... and would only do so if
>>> under "orders". Atkinson has described that tour as an inspiration and as
>>> something that helped them know they were already on the right track. Jobs
>>> and company understood the importance of the graphical system far better
>>> than did the Xerox management.
>>
>> close.
>>
>> Anyway, Jobs and company saw nothing BUT the GUI, and completely missed
>> the significance of the network and the printing. COMPLETELY.
>
>And yet Apple was very early in the home networking environment (did
>*anyone* beat them to that... think of the old PhoneNet adapters) and they
>pretty much created the desktop publishing industry.
>>
>> Jobs was so blind, it wasn't funny.
>
>Support?
>
>
>--
>What do you call people who are afraid of Santa Claus? Claustrophobic.
>

Oxford wrote:
> Keep in mind, the iPhone is only one small update away from making EVERY
> iPhone compatible with VoIP, then simply dropping the old cell network
> like a hot potato.

Oh yeah...VoIp on a 30 Kbps to 150 Kbps connection.
That has got to rock.

Oh...and don't mention the 3G upgrade. That is NOT going to
be a simple "one small update".

Why are you posting this in a Nokia group?



On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:03:27 -0600, DTC <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Oxford wrote:
>> Keep in mind, the iPhone is only one small update away from making EVERY
>> iPhone compatible with VoIP, then simply dropping the old cell network
>> like a hot potato.
>
>Oh yeah...VoIp on a 30 Kbps to 150 Kbps connection.
>That has got to rock.
>
>Oh...and don't mention the 3G upgrade. That is NOT going to
>be a simple "one small update".

That's much better. Thank you. I knew you had it in you.


On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:06:20 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>(top posting fixed)
>
>> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:48:36 -0700, Snit <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> stated in post
>> >[email protected] on 12/2/07 6:36 PM:
>> >
>> >> In article <C378A06B.9C06C%[email protected]>,
>> >> Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
>> >>>> of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.
>> >>>
>> >>> He did not want Jobs to see the famous Xerox tour... and would only do so
>> >>> if
>> >>> under "orders". Atkinson has described that tour as an inspiration and
>> >>> as
>> >>> something that helped them know they were already on the right track.
>> >>> Jobs
>> >>> and company understood the importance of the graphical system far better
>> >>> than did the Xerox management.
>> >>
>> >> close.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, Jobs and company saw nothing BUT the GUI, and completely missed
>> >> the significance of the network and the printing. COMPLETELY.
>> >
>> >And yet Apple was very early in the home networking environment (did
>> >*anyone* beat them to that... think of the old PhoneNet adapters) and they
>> >pretty much created the desktop publishing industry.
>> >>
>> >> Jobs was so blind, it wasn't funny.
>> >
>> >Support?
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >What do you call people who are afraid of Santa Claus? Claustrophobic.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Why are you posting this in a Nokia group?
>
>To piss you off.
>
>Gee, looked like it worked.
>

Yes it worked, you actually managed to avoid posting in the Nokia
group.

Good boy, good boy

On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:06:42 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:59:13 -0700, Oxford
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >This rings true of what I've been saying all along, it appears even AT&T
>> >is now scared of Apple and its business intentions...
>>
>> Why are you posting this in a Nokia group?
>
>To piss you off.
>
>Gee, looks like it worked.
>
Yes I can see that. How come you didn't manage earlier. It wasn't that
difficult. Was it? I mean avoid posting in the wrong news group.

You're are making progress!

On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:06:42 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:59:13 -0700, Oxford
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >This rings true of what I've been saying all along, it appears even AT&T
>> >is now scared of Apple and its business intentions...
>>
>> Why are you posting this in a Nokia group?
>
>To piss you off.
>
>Gee, looks like it worked.
>
Yes I can see that. How come you didn't manage earlier. It wasn't that
difficult. Was it? I mean to avoid posting in the wrong news group.

You're making progress!