CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

At 10 Dec 2007 03:50:43 +0000 none wrote:

> Why do you say that iphone unlocking is popular?

Perhaps it's because an estimated 1/5th of all iPhones sold in the US
haven't been activated on AT&T. So, unless 300,000 are currently on eBay,
or in Oxford's basement (erected into a giant masterbatory shrine in the
shape of Steve Jobs) we can probably assume they've been unlocked and are
in use on other carriers, or at least functioning as "iPod Touches" without
cell service.

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none wrote:
> "SMS ´µ¸¦¤å¡E ®L" <[email protected]> wrote:
> One of the
>> reasons the iPhone unlocking is so popular is because $400 is relatively
>> cheap for a contract-free quad-band GSM phone with a good MP3 player and
>> a good web browser.
>
> Why do you say that iphone unlocking is popular?

Nearly 20% of the iPhones that have been sold so far have never been
activated on AT&T. That's an incredibly high number. As the headline
stated, "1.4 Million Sold, 250,000 Never Activated". Well never
activated on AT&T postpaid anyway. You can get an iPhone unlocked for
$25 if you don't want to do it yourself, including the latest firmware
version.

Apple may make a little noise about this, as a sop to AT&T, but in
reality they are probably quite happy to sell the hardware to those that
would not activate on AT&T no matter what, and maybe sell them some
iTunes as well. Of the 250,000 never activated, they are either being
used solely as a WiFi web browser and iPod substitute, or they are being
unlocked and used as a phone on other networks.

The iPhone is an awesome device for those that want to travel to Europe
and use prepaid SIM cards, and still have web access over WiFi, and have
a music player. For the U.S., the iPhone is burdened with the low
quality and poor coverage of the GSM network, and anyone that cares
about the actual phone part of a cell phone is on Verizon.

In article <[email protected]>,
Jon <[email protected]> wrote:

> Kurt wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> >
> >> O x f o r d <[email protected]> wrote in news:iphone-
> >> [email protected]:
> >>
> >>> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> It looks a bit bulky and awkward.
> >>>>> Sorry, but iPhone is still the King.
> >>>>> Keep trying.
> >>>> 59 to 63 points? We're supposed to "weep" about 4 pts difference?
> >>>>
> >>>> Bulk of unit and no WIFI lose it for me.
> >>>>
> >>>> What kind of goofy holster do you use to carry it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Love that I can do all my syncing through iTunes, don't understand
> >>>> others' problems with that.
> >>> i think its funny they forgot mention the iphone has over double the
> >>> battery life, a better screen, much larger screen, and is quite a bit
> >>> thinner.
> >>>
> >>> 480 x 320 pixels iphone
> >>>
> >>> 400 x 240 pixels lg voyager
> >>>
> >> And the Voyager still won. What does that tell you about the market,
> >> Oxtard? Could it be that functionality is more important than toy
> >> features?
> >
> > Again, a 4 pts difference "win"?
> >
> A four point difference can be the difference between winning the super
> bowl/world series/stanley cup/whatever.

ROTFLOL!

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In article <[email protected]>,
CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in news:labolide-E05E39.07490709122007
> @news.giganews.com:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> >
> >> O x f o r d <[email protected]> wrote in news:iphone-
> >> [email protected]:
> >>
> >> > Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > It looks a bit bulky and awkward.
> >> >> > Sorry, but iPhone is still the King.
> >> >> > Keep trying.
> >> >>
> >> >> 59 to 63 points? We're supposed to "weep" about 4 pts difference?
> >> >>
> >> >> Bulk of unit and no WIFI lose it for me.
> >> >>
> >> >> What kind of goofy holster do you use to carry it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Love that I can do all my syncing through iTunes, don't understand
> >> >> others' problems with that.
> >> >
> >> > i think its funny they forgot mention the iphone has over double the
> >> > battery life, a better screen, much larger screen, and is quite a bit
> >> > thinner.
> >> >
> >> > 480 x 320 pixels iphone
> >> >
> >> > 400 x 240 pixels lg voyager
> >> >
> >>
> >> And the Voyager still won. What does that tell you about the market,
> >> Oxtard? Could it be that functionality is more important than toy
> >> features?
> >
> > Again, a 4 pts difference "win"?
> >
>
> Yep- after all, acccording to Oxtard, the iPhone has no peer in the
> cellular world and is so far above everything else that all makers quake at
> the sight of it. This proves that tainted and uneducated philosophy to be
> incorrect.
>
> That's the problem with being a blind and clueless fanboi- it makes the
> presentation of facts contrary to the fanboi view all that much more
> difficult to swallow.

Have you actually used either?



I didn't think so.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Cellguy <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:17:15 -0800, SMS ������E �L wrote:
>
> > I can understand why there is no WiFi on the Voyager, and I can
> > understand why Apple didn't include 3G capability on the iPhone, but I
> > _can't_ fathom why Apple left voice-dialing off of the iPhone.
> >
> > With so many states and countries having laws against holding the phone
> > while driving, it just makes no sense to leave off such a basic feature.
> > With my current Motorola phone, without looking at it, I can press the
> > button on the side and do voice dialing.
>
> I agree. With all the bells and whistles Apple promotes on the iPhone they
> left off one of the most used features by road warriors and business users.
>
> Being able to tap my BT headset to answer, dial, or terminate a call while
> motoring down the highway while my phone rests confortably in it's dash
> holder is not only convenient but, as mentioned, a legal requirement in
> some states.

Since you have to assign voice dialing, most of these are just a few of
your favorites.

I just tap anyone on the large text list once to make a call to any one
of my favorites. Tap large button once to end call.

I use a bluetooth earpiece, and with phone in cradle, no harder than
changing channels on radio.

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"Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
> Have you actually used either?

I have. Iused the iphone for a week. Went to friends house after he just
picked his up.

For the 20 mins I got to play with it. I found,

Speakers are better.
The screen is a tie. Did not watch a movie.
I like the keyboard.

And you can replace the battery.

I'll play with more in a few days.

Kevin Weaver wrote:
> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>> Have you actually used either?
>
> I have. Iused the iphone for a week. Went to friends house after he
> just picked his up.
>
> For the 20 mins I got to play with it. I found,
>
> Speakers are better.
> The screen is a tie. Did not watch a movie.

I compared the two side-by-side and IMO and there was no way the iPhone's
screen--with 50% more pixels--is a tie.

The outer screen on the Voyager was not nearly as sensitive as the iPhone's
too. The iPhone's capacitive touch screen is the only way to go on a touch
screen device. It was also much smaller in physical size.

The Voyager's inside screen seemed a chore, as it had no touch capability at
all. It too seemed dimunitive in size (think of a mid-1990s TFT laptop, with
a lot of border area around the LCD).

The lack of WiFi was a big downer too. We were in a non EV-DO area and the
Voyager was agonizingly slow since it had to use CDMA 1x. I had a WiFi
connection on my iPhone but turned it off to use EDGE. EDGE was literally
5x-10x faster in the brief testing (which was touch on the Voyager as it was
running so slow).

If given the choice between EV-DO/CDMA 1x and WiFi/EDGE I'll take the
latter. It's too easy, at least out in the south west, to run into areas
with no EV-DO coverage. Granted the same is true for HPSA from AT&T, but at
least that almost always falls back to EDGE, which is dramatically faster
than CDMA 1x.



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"Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Kevin Weaver wrote:
>> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>>> Have you actually used either?
>>
>> I have. Iused the iphone for a week. Went to friends house after he
>> just picked his up.
>>
>> For the 20 mins I got to play with it. I found,
>>
>> Speakers are better.
>> The screen is a tie. Did not watch a movie.
>
> I compared the two side-by-side and IMO and there was no way the iPhone's
> screen--with 50% more pixels--is a tie.
>
> The outer screen on the Voyager was not nearly as sensitive as the
> iPhone's too. The iPhone's capacitive touch screen is the only way to go
> on a touch screen device. It was also much smaller in physical size.
>
> The Voyager's inside screen seemed a chore, as it had no touch capability
> at all. It too seemed dimunitive in size (think of a mid-1990s TFT laptop,
> with a lot of border area around the LCD).
>
> The lack of WiFi was a big downer too. We were in a non EV-DO area and the
> Voyager was agonizingly slow since it had to use CDMA 1x. I had a WiFi
> connection on my iPhone but turned it off to use EDGE. EDGE was literally
> 5x-10x faster in the brief testing (which was touch on the Voyager as it
> was running so slow).
>
> If given the choice between EV-DO/CDMA 1x and WiFi/EDGE I'll take the
> latter. It's too easy, at least out in the south west, to run into areas
> with no EV-DO coverage. Granted the same is true for HPSA from AT&T, but
> at least that almost always falls back to EDGE, which is dramatically
> faster than CDMA 1x.
>
>
>
> --
> Mike
>
>
>

I agree that no Wi-Fi is going to hurt the Voyager. The outside screen IMO
is just as clear and bright as the iphone.
We don't have EVDO in our area so that's another reason I'll never go back
to Verizon. The speakerphone on the iphone sucks. You can hear the Voyager
clearly. With the iphone in my car you can almost forget it. I've heard they
Improved it with a firmware upgrade.

I'm looking into getting a tilt. I like the GPS and you can replace the
battery. I have on-board GPS but like the fact that's it's there when I have
to rent a car on trips.

CozmicDebris wrote:
> O x f o r d <[email protected]> wrote in news:iphone-
> [email protected]:
>
>> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> It looks a bit bulky and awkward.
>>>> Sorry, but iPhone is still the King.
>>>> Keep trying.
>>>
>>> 59 to 63 points? We're supposed to "weep" about 4 pts difference?
>>>
>>> Bulk of unit and no WIFI lose it for me.
>>>
>>> What kind of goofy holster do you use to carry it?
>>>
>>> Love that I can do all my syncing through iTunes, don't understand
>>> others' problems with that.
>>
>> i think its funny they forgot mention the iphone has over double the
>> battery life, a better screen, much larger screen, and is quite a bit
>> thinner.
>>
>> 480 x 320 pixels iphone
>>
>> 400 x 240 pixels lg voyager
>>
>
> And the Voyager still won. What does that tell you about the market,
> Oxtard? Could it be that functionality is more important than toy
> features?

Whoa! I don't think screen size is something to blow off so cavalierly when
you're talking about devices that tout their web browsing capability. Nor is
battery life, to me a most important aspect of a phone or any portable
communications device. I think his points are quite valid. You seem to be
looking at them through the lens of a kid's text messaging device, which is
mainly what the Voyager would do best, imho. And I'd bet you that's its
market. It seems to me that which one is liked better depends on who's doing
the looking.

I'm with him in that the "contest" was slanted: it always depends on what
questions you choose to ask, doesn't it?

Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:labolide-E05E39.07490709122007 @news.giganews.com:
>>
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> >
>> >> O x f o r d <[email protected]> wrote in news:iphone-
>> >> [email protected]:
>> >>
>> >> > Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> > It looks a bit bulky and awkward.
>> >> >> > Sorry, but iPhone is still the King.
>> >> >> > Keep trying.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 59 to 63 points? We're supposed to "weep" about 4 pts
>> >> >> difference?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bulk of unit and no WIFI lose it for me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What kind of goofy holster do you use to carry it?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Love that I can do all my syncing through iTunes, don't
>> >> >> understand others' problems with that.
>> >> >
>> >> > i think its funny they forgot mention the iphone has over double
>> >> > the battery life, a better screen, much larger screen, and is
>> >> > quite a bit thinner.
>> >> >
>> >> > 480 x 320 pixels iphone
>> >> >
>> >> > 400 x 240 pixels lg voyager
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> And the Voyager still won. What does that tell you about the
>> >> market, Oxtard? Could it be that functionality is more important
>> >> than toy features?
>> >
>> > Again, a 4 pts difference "win"?
>> >
>>
>> Yep- after all, acccording to Oxtard, the iPhone has no peer in the
>> cellular world and is so far above everything else that all makers
>> quake at the sight of it. This proves that tainted and uneducated
>> philosophy to be incorrect.
>>
>> That's the problem with being a blind and clueless fanboi- it makes
>> the presentation of facts contrary to the fanboi view all that much
>> more difficult to swallow.
>
> Have you actually used either?

I probably have about 3 or 4 hours of iPhone play time under my belt and
maybe an hour with the Voyager. I found the iPhone to be average (at
best) as a phone, below average as a PDA, but a great mp3 player. The
interface, while glitzy, was annoying and not real useful, unless I was
playing music. The Voyager seems to be much better suited to a power
user.

>
>
>
> I didn't think so.
>

No- you simply didn't think.

"Carl" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:


> Whoa! I don't think screen size is something to blow off so cavalierly
> when you're talking about devices that tout their web browsing
> capability.

It depends on whether you use the internet as a toy or an information
source. As a toy, maybe, If you are using it to gathe rinformation,
screen size is not as important.


> Nor is battery life, to me a most important aspect of a
> phone or any portable communications device.

And until Apple shows real-life battery claims, we'll never know how they
compare. I say this because to this day, the battery claims come with the
disclaimer that they were obtained from a prototype phone that was not
connected to the AT&T network.

> I think his points are
> quite valid. You seem to be looking at them through the lens of a
> kid's text messaging device, which is mainly what the Voyager would do
> best, imho.

Unless you look at voice dialing, MMS, 3G capability, seamless sync and a
variety of other functions that don't involve text messaging, but do
provide more flexibility to the end user.


> And I'd bet you that's its market. It seems to me that
> which one is liked better depends on who's doing the looking.
>
> I'm with him in that the "contest" was slanted: it always depends on
> what questions you choose to ask, doesn't it?

So can I then assume the same about all of the iPhone "news" of the last
six months? Are you saying that it is just as slanted?

>
>
>

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:4897a92c-c23a-4251-8fbe-
[email protected]:

> On Dec 10, 6:57 pm, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> mms
>
>

Yes I did. Do I need to translate it into "moron" for you?

I spoke with my friend that has it and found out a little more about it. You
can text from the outside. No need to use the keyboard.

And the Bluetooth has been opened for the user to transfer pictures to the
computer via Bluetooth. I thought Verizon would never allow that. Battery
life is much better then the iphone so he says. He has had Bluetooth on all
day. About 90 mins of talk so far and only 1 bar is gone.


"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Kevin Weaver wrote:
>>> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>>>> Have you actually used either?
>>>
>>> I have. Iused the iphone for a week. Went to friends house after he
>>> just picked his up.
>>>
>>> For the 20 mins I got to play with it. I found,
>>>
>>> Speakers are better.
>>> The screen is a tie. Did not watch a movie.
>>
>> I compared the two side-by-side and IMO and there was no way the iPhone's
>> screen--with 50% more pixels--is a tie.
>>
>> The outer screen on the Voyager was not nearly as sensitive as the
>> iPhone's too. The iPhone's capacitive touch screen is the only way to go
>> on a touch screen device. It was also much smaller in physical size.
>>
>> The Voyager's inside screen seemed a chore, as it had no touch capability
>> at all. It too seemed dimunitive in size (think of a mid-1990s TFT
>> laptop, with a lot of border area around the LCD).
>>
>> The lack of WiFi was a big downer too. We were in a non EV-DO area and
>> the Voyager was agonizingly slow since it had to use CDMA 1x. I had a
>> WiFi connection on my iPhone but turned it off to use EDGE. EDGE was
>> literally 5x-10x faster in the brief testing (which was touch on the
>> Voyager as it was running so slow).
>>
>> If given the choice between EV-DO/CDMA 1x and WiFi/EDGE I'll take the
>> latter. It's too easy, at least out in the south west, to run into areas
>> with no EV-DO coverage. Granted the same is true for HPSA from AT&T, but
>> at least that almost always falls back to EDGE, which is dramatically
>> faster than CDMA 1x.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>
> I agree that no Wi-Fi is going to hurt the Voyager. The outside screen IMO
> is just as clear and bright as the iphone.
> We don't have EVDO in our area so that's another reason I'll never go back
> to Verizon. The speakerphone on the iphone sucks. You can hear the Voyager
> clearly. With the iphone in my car you can almost forget it. I've heard
> they Improved it with a firmware upgrade.
>
> I'm looking into getting a tilt. I like the GPS and you can replace the
> battery. I have on-board GPS but like the fact that's it's there when I
> have to rent a car on trips.
>

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:33d496aa-7849-4094-8148-
[email protected]:

> On Dec 10, 7:26 pm, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> 4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:4897a92c-c23a-4251-8fbe-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>> > On Dec 10, 6:57 pm, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> > mms
>>
>> Yes I did. Do I need to translate it into "moron" for you?
>
> I don't normally answer a anyone who is foolish for fear that somehow
> I would become like him.
>
>
>
> I meant to clarify that MMS is now available on the iPhone in beta
> format.

But left off the original release. It was either poor planning or a
complete lack of knowledge of the industry.



> The iPhone can now send mms images and video will follow in a
> few days.

Probably more than a few days.


> Really all those points about voice dialing and stuff is
> merely software that has to be finished and is easily added to the
> iPhone.

No- the software was readily available and had no need to be made
perfect by Apple. All of this shows that the product was rushed to
market without being close to "standard" for the industry.


> The smallest iPhone came with 4 GB memory to work with, far
> more than most any other standard phone currently made.

And how many phone/pda applications need that memory?

>
> It is fascinating to see all the stuff coming out for the iPhone and
> that is even before the SDK is released. There is even someone who has
> VOIP working on an iTouch.
> How were they able to do that since a mike is not even a standard
> accessory for that product?
>
> What other hidden features can be exploited? Time will tell.
>

Kurt wrote:

> Since you have to assign voice dialing, most of these are just a few of
> your favorites.

You don't have to assign voice dialing on new phones, in fact you
_can't_ assign it, at least on newer Motorola phones. It's all voice
recognition without training, every entry works, and when you say a name
it asks you which number you want. It works well unless the software
misinterprets how the *****ing of a name actually sounds, but it gets it
right most of the time even with some uncommon long Indian names, and
even with names that sound similar. You can also do digit dialing by voice.

One thing I miss about the old phones where you have to assign names ist
that when you scroll through the names, with phone on speaker, it
announces the name, but at least the new Motorola phones don't do this.
OTOH, you were limited in the number of assignments for voice dialing in
the older phones, which wasn't good either, since it takes a lot of
memory to store each assignmnent.

> I just tap anyone on the large text list once to make a call to any one
> of my favorites. Tap large button once to end call.

> I use a bluetooth earpiece, and with phone in cradle, no harder than
> changing channels on radio.

Many cars now let you change stations from controls in the steering
wheel. Taking your eyes off the road to search for a name on the phone
is not a great idea.

I'm sure the next generation iPhone will have voice dialing, and that
Apple simply didn't want to delay the product the amount of time it
would take them to develop the firmware.