CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

CozmicDebris wrote:
> "Carl" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>> Whoa! I don't think screen size is something to blow off so
>> cavalierly when you're talking about devices that tout their web
>> browsing capability.
>
> It depends on whether you use the internet as a toy or an information
> source. As a toy, maybe, If you are using it to gathe rinformation,
> screen size is not as important.
>
>
>> Nor is battery life, to me a most important aspect of a
>> phone or any portable communications device.
>
> And until Apple shows real-life battery claims, we'll never know how
> they compare. I say this because to this day, the battery claims
> come with the disclaimer that they were obtained from a prototype
> phone that was not connected to the AT&T network.
>
>> I think his points are
>> quite valid. You seem to be looking at them through the lens of a
>> kid's text messaging device, which is mainly what the Voyager would
>> do best, imho.
>
> Unless you look at voice dialing, MMS, 3G capability, seamless sync
> and a variety of other functions that don't involve text messaging,
> but do provide more flexibility to the end user.
>
>
>> And I'd bet you that's its market. It seems to me that
>> which one is liked better depends on who's doing the looking.
>>
>> I'm with him in that the "contest" was slanted: it always depends on
>> what questions you choose to ask, doesn't it?
>
> So can I then assume the same about all of the iPhone "news" of the
> last six months? Are you saying that it is just as slanted?
>
Yes, I'm sure it is. And just so you know where I stand in this ongoing
debate, I chose to stay with Vz and got a Pearl for its smaller size and
EVDO access, as well as many of the other "pros" you've listed. The Voyager
just didn't move me. But I also did something no 'normal' person would do: I
bought the Pearl outright at full price (well, their price wasn't that bad
actually) without renewing my contract (which is up) because I wanted to
leave my options open for the next 2 years. I see the technology changing so
fast now that I didn't want to lock myself in. And I don't think Vz has a
track record of keeping up. Picture AT&T upgrading to level 3 or 4 internet
service and the next generation of iPhones correcting their current problems
as well as adding PIM capability and you'd have the absolute winner.

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Carl wrote:

> Yes, I'm sure it is. And just so you know where I stand in this ongoing
> debate, I chose to stay with Vz and got a Pearl for its smaller size and
> EVDO access, as well as many of the other "pros" you've listed. The Voyager
> just didn't move me. But I also did something no 'normal' person would do: I
> bought the Pearl outright at full price (well, their price wasn't that bad
> actually) without renewing my contract (which is up) because I wanted to
> leave my options open for the next 2 years.

Between the change to the pro-rated termination fee, and the ability to
sell the old phone for maybe 30% of what you paid for it, I don't know
that buying it outright makes all that much sense.

At 10 Dec 2007 21:51:46 -0800 SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:

> Kurt wrote:
>

> > Since you have to assign voice dialing, most of these are just a few of

your favorites.

>
> You don't have to assign voice dialing on new phones, in fact
> you _can't_ assign it, at least on newer Motorola phones.


Depends on the phone- many phones today still use recorded "tags,"
including the LG Voyager this thread deals with specifically.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:14:11 -0800, Kurt wrote:

> Since you have to assign voice dialing, most of these are just a few of
> your favorites.

My Motorola V9M does not need this. I just say "Call <name>" or "Call
123-456-7891" and the phone does the rest.

No training or assigning needed.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:51:46 -0800, SMS ������E �L wrote:

> One thing I miss about the old phones where you have to assign names ist
> that when you scroll through the names, with phone on speaker, it
> announces the name, but at least the new Motorola phones don't do this.

My Motorola V9M can be set up to vocally read the contacts or keypad taps
as you scroll/dial.

SMS ???. ? wrote:
> Carl wrote:
>
>> Yes, I'm sure it is. And just so you know where I stand in this
>> ongoing debate, I chose to stay with Vz and got a Pearl for its
>> smaller size and EVDO access, as well as many of the other "pros"
>> you've listed. The Voyager just didn't move me. But I also did
>> something no 'normal' person would do: I bought the Pearl outright
>> at full price (well, their price wasn't that bad actually) without
>> renewing my contract (which is up) because I wanted to leave my
>> options open for the next 2 years.
>
> Between the change to the pro-rated termination fee, and the ability
> to sell the old phone for maybe 30% of what you paid for it, I don't
> know that buying it outright makes all that much sense.
>
Huh? I believe I can't have a termination fee since my contract has expired.
There is nothing to terminate. I am under the understanding that I can stop
using my phone tomorrow, just pay up for the month of December, and be done
with Vz.

When your plan expires, you go onto a month-to-month basis and, as a matter
of fact, you are rarely subject to plan price increases or other changes.
There are advantages. As well, I don't agree with your assessment of
getting only 30% of what I paid for the Pearl. Of course, that depends on
how long down the road I decide to make the change, but I would be surprised
if I can't get $300 for it in a year from now. I have sold several far
lesser phones for $100+ when they were more than two years old. You might be
surprised at what people will pay when they lose their phones and are still
under contract, or whatever their personal issue is.

Meantime, if I renewed my plan and then wanted something else in, say, 6
months from now, I would have to pay an early termination fee AND the
balance of the price of the phone.

I'm ok with what I did and doubt that I'll regret it. In the meantime, if I
change my mind in a month from now, I'm sure Vz will be glad to extend my
contract for 2 more years and credit me back for the phone. All my options
are open.

Carl wrote:

> Huh? I believe I can't have a termination fee since my contract has expired.
> There is nothing to terminate. I am under the understanding that I can stop
> using my phone tomorrow, just pay up for the month of December, and be done
> with Vz.

I mean that if you had taken the discount and the phone and gone back
under contract, and then later decided to terminate service, the
pro-rated termination fee might be less than the discount on the handset
that you would have gotten by signing a contract. Plus you could then
sell the handset.

> Meantime, if I renewed my plan and then wanted something else in, say, 6
> months from now, I would have to pay an early termination fee AND the
> balance of the price of the phone.

Huh? I thought that as long as you get the phone from Verizon, and not
from a reseller, that there is nothing you have to pay other than the
termination fee if you stop service before the contract is up.

the iphone may have wifi who cares sodoesmy laptop that gos with me everywhere the big thing i hate most about the iphone is the fact that theres no keyboard i hated txting on the iphone and anyother phone that i have to use t9 or just a keypad

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 09 Dec 2007 12:27:24 -0600 Jon wrote:
>
>> Like I said, the Wifi speed depends on what the speed is on the
>> other side! Who knows, it could be dialup or a trap!
>
> Realistically, who in blazes would rig a WiFi router or AP to a PC with
> only dialup? I'm sure a few people might, but it certainly isn't a
> widespread practice.
>
> As to a "trap," what kind of trap would someone set up that your phone
> would be at risk?
>
> Beides, not everyone wants or uses WiFi to leech off of homeowner's routers
> from a streetcorner- it's generally for using a high-speed connection
> coffeshops, restaurants, retail businesses, etc.
>
> You're like Oxford's "mirror universe" doppleganger- anything your team
> doesn't offer is a advantage for the most ridiculous of reasons. Instead
> of the crippled Voyager, just buy a VX-6800 and have a choice of good
> browsers, a keyboard, WiFi, and an uncrippled, voice-controlled media player.
>
>
>
>
While I do agree the XV8600 is better, you have to buy a data plan with
that as well as a voice plan ($40 minimum for voice, $40 minimum for
data, plus other things such as taxes and txt/pix/flix message packs and
ect.)

meyermj417 wrote:
> the iphone may have wifi who cares sodoesmy laptop that gos with me
> everywhere the big thing i hate most about the iphone is the fact that
> theres no keyboard i hated txting on the iphone and anyother phone
> that i have to use t9 or just a keypad

A perfect example of the state of public education in America.


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Tinman wrote:
> meyermj417 wrote:
>> the iphone may have wifi who cares sodoesmy laptop that gos with me
>> everywhere the big thing i hate most about the iphone is the fact that
>> theres no keyboard i hated txting on the iphone and anyother phone
>> that i have to use t9 or just a keypad
>>
>>
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>
> A perfect example of the state of public education in America.

I thought that at first also, but then I noticed a general
characterization of the text and was thinking it was sent from a
cellphone. The signature confirmed that.

DTC wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>> meyermj417 wrote:
>>> the iphone may have wifi who cares sodoesmy laptop that gos with me
>>> everywhere the big thing i hate most about the iphone is the fact
>>> that theres no keyboard i hated txting on the iphone and anyother
>>> phone that i have to use t9 or just a keypad
>>>
>>>
> Posted via Cell Phone Forums: http://cellphoneforums.net
>>
>> A perfect example of the state of public education in America.
>
> I thought that at first also, but then I noticed a general
> characterization of the text and was thinking it was sent from a
> cellphone. The signature confirmed that.

Then that makes him just plain ignorant: he *****ed about texting on the
iPhone "and anyother phone that i have to use t9 or just a keypad" when the
iPhone doesn't require that all. Indeed I've never seen such sloppy writing
come from someone using an iPhone--even from 13-year-olds.


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Tinman wrote:
> Then that makes him just plain ignorant: he *****ed about texting on the
> iPhone "and anyother phone that i have to use t9 or just a keypad" when the
> iPhone doesn't require that all. Indeed I've never seen such sloppy writing
> come from someone using an iPhone--even from 13-year-olds.

Yeah...the two handed iPhone is hard to use when driving a Beemer and
drinking a cup Starbux at the same time.

In article <[email protected]>,
SMS éz‰⁄ï∂• ⃠<[email protected]> wrote:

> Kurt wrote:
>
> > Since you have to assign voice dialing, most of these are just a few of
> > your favorites.
>
> You don't have to assign voice dialing on new phones, in fact you
> _can't_ assign it, at least on newer Motorola phones. It's all voice
> recognition without training, every entry works, and when you say a name
> it asks you which number you want. It works well unless the software
> misinterprets how the *****ing of a name actually sounds, but it gets it
> right most of the time even with some uncommon long Indian names, and
> even with names that sound similar. You can also do digit dialing by voice.
>
> One thing I miss about the old phones where you have to assign names ist
> that when you scroll through the names, with phone on speaker, it
> announces the name, but at least the new Motorola phones don't do this.
> OTOH, you were limited in the number of assignments for voice dialing in
> the older phones, which wasn't good either, since it takes a lot of
> memory to store each assignmnent.

Pushing one button to call just as easy.
>
> > I just tap anyone on the large text list once to make a call to any one
> > of my favorites. Tap large button once to end call.
>
> > I use a bluetooth earpiece, and with phone in cradle, no harder than
> > changing channels on radio.
>
> Many cars now let you change stations from controls in the steering
> wheel. Taking your eyes off the road to search for a name on the phone
> is not a great idea.

Yes, don't own $50,000 car.
Pushing button still no big deal.
>
> I'm sure the next generation iPhone will have voice dialing, and that
> Apple simply didn't want to delay the product the amount of time it
> would take them to develop the firmware.

Fine, though I'll probably never use it.

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In article <[email protected]>,
CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> >
> >> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> news:labolide-E05E39.07490709122007 @news.giganews.com:
> >>
> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> O x f o r d <[email protected]> wrote in news:iphone-
> >> >> [email protected]:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > It looks a bit bulky and awkward.
> >> >> >> > Sorry, but iPhone is still the King.
> >> >> >> > Keep trying.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 59 to 63 points? We're supposed to "weep" about 4 pts
> >> >> >> difference?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Bulk of unit and no WIFI lose it for me.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What kind of goofy holster do you use to carry it?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Love that I can do all my syncing through iTunes, don't
> >> >> >> understand others' problems with that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > i think its funny they forgot mention the iphone has over double
> >> >> > the battery life, a better screen, much larger screen, and is
> >> >> > quite a bit thinner.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 480 x 320 pixels iphone
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 400 x 240 pixels lg voyager
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> And the Voyager still won. What does that tell you about the
> >> >> market, Oxtard? Could it be that functionality is more important
> >> >> than toy features?
> >> >
> >> > Again, a 4 pts difference "win"?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yep- after all, acccording to Oxtard, the iPhone has no peer in the
> >> cellular world and is so far above everything else that all makers
> >> quake at the sight of it. This proves that tainted and uneducated
> >> philosophy to be incorrect.
> >>
> >> That's the problem with being a blind and clueless fanboi- it makes
> >> the presentation of facts contrary to the fanboi view all that much
> >> more difficult to swallow.
> >
> > Have you actually used either?
>
> I probably have about 3 or 4 hours of iPhone play time under my belt and
> maybe an hour with the Voyager. I found the iPhone to be average (at
> best) as a phone, below average as a PDA, but a great mp3 player. The
> interface, while glitzy, was annoying and not real useful, unless I was
> playing music. The Voyager seems to be much better suited to a power
> user.
>
I wanted a week of real use, not playtime. I've never used the iTunes
feature. Voyager has that small screen.
I'll ask again, how do you carry the Voyager around?
Looks like you really need a holster for it. Too big for a jeans pocket.

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