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  1. #61
    Kurt
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    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Kevin Weaver wrote:
    > >> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
    > >>> Have you actually used either?
    > >>
    > >> I have. Iused the iphone for a week. Went to friends house after he
    > >> just picked his up.
    > >>
    > >> For the 20 mins I got to play with it. I found,
    > >>
    > >> Speakers are better.
    > >> The screen is a tie. Did not watch a movie.

    > >
    > > I compared the two side-by-side and IMO and there was no way the iPhone's
    > > screen--with 50% more pixels--is a tie.
    > >
    > > The outer screen on the Voyager was not nearly as sensitive as the
    > > iPhone's too. The iPhone's capacitive touch screen is the only way to go
    > > on a touch screen device. It was also much smaller in physical size.
    > >
    > > The Voyager's inside screen seemed a chore, as it had no touch capability
    > > at all. It too seemed dimunitive in size (think of a mid-1990s TFT laptop,
    > > with a lot of border area around the LCD).
    > >
    > > The lack of WiFi was a big downer too. We were in a non EV-DO area and the
    > > Voyager was agonizingly slow since it had to use CDMA 1x. I had a WiFi
    > > connection on my iPhone but turned it off to use EDGE. EDGE was literally
    > > 5x-10x faster in the brief testing (which was touch on the Voyager as it
    > > was running so slow).
    > >
    > > If given the choice between EV-DO/CDMA 1x and WiFi/EDGE I'll take the
    > > latter. It's too easy, at least out in the south west, to run into areas
    > > with no EV-DO coverage. Granted the same is true for HPSA from AT&T, but
    > > at least that almost always falls back to EDGE, which is dramatically
    > > faster than CDMA 1x.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Mike
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    > I agree that no Wi-Fi is going to hurt the Voyager. The outside screen IMO
    > is just as clear and bright as the iphone.
    > We don't have EVDO in our area so that's another reason I'll never go back
    > to Verizon. The speakerphone on the iphone sucks. You can hear the Voyager
    > clearly. With the iphone in my car you can almost forget it. I've heard they
    > Improved it with a firmware upgrade.
    >
    > I'm looking into getting a tilt. I like the GPS and you can replace the
    > battery. I have on-board GPS but like the fact that's it's there when I have
    > to rent a car on trips.


    That's why I wouldn't buy a cat with that option built in. You pay big
    and it's not portable (and takes up too much dash real estate)

    I bought a portable Garmin last year for under $250 that goes everywhere.
    Don't need one on my phone.

    The portables can be positioned under the mirror or on the dash, where
    your eyes don't have to travel far to see the display.

    GPS on a phone in the car: small screen, too much looking down.

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  2. #62
    CozmicDebris
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    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
    >
    >> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> news:[email protected]:
    >>
    >> > In article <[email protected]>,
    >> > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> >> news:labolide-E05E39.07490709122007 @news.giganews.com:
    >> >>
    >> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
    >> >> > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> O x f o r d <[email protected]> wrote in news:iphone-
    >> >> >> [email protected]:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> > Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> > It looks a bit bulky and awkward.
    >> >> >> >> > Sorry, but iPhone is still the King.
    >> >> >> >> > Keep trying.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> 59 to 63 points? We're supposed to "weep" about 4 pts
    >> >> >> >> difference?
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Bulk of unit and no WIFI lose it for me.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> What kind of goofy holster do you use to carry it?
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Love that I can do all my syncing through iTunes, don't
    >> >> >> >> understand others' problems with that.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > i think its funny they forgot mention the iphone has over
    >> >> >> > double the battery life, a better screen, much larger screen,
    >> >> >> > and is quite a bit thinner.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > 480 x 320 pixels iphone
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > 400 x 240 pixels lg voyager
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> And the Voyager still won. What does that tell you about the
    >> >> >> market, Oxtard? Could it be that functionality is more
    >> >> >> important than toy features?
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Again, a 4 pts difference "win"?
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> Yep- after all, acccording to Oxtard, the iPhone has no peer in
    >> >> the cellular world and is so far above everything else that all
    >> >> makers quake at the sight of it. This proves that tainted and
    >> >> uneducated philosophy to be incorrect.
    >> >>
    >> >> That's the problem with being a blind and clueless fanboi- it
    >> >> makes the presentation of facts contrary to the fanboi view all
    >> >> that much more difficult to swallow.
    >> >
    >> > Have you actually used either?

    >>
    >> I probably have about 3 or 4 hours of iPhone play time under my belt
    >> and maybe an hour with the Voyager. I found the iPhone to be average
    >> (at best) as a phone, below average as a PDA, but a great mp3 player.
    >> The interface, while glitzy, was annoying and not real useful,
    >> unless I was playing music. The Voyager seems to be much better
    >> suited to a power user.
    >>

    > I wanted a week of real use, not playtime.


    I didn't need a week with either one- I was able to test all pertinent
    functionality of both phones and test them in a number of differnet
    scenarios and locations.

    > I've never used the iTunes
    > feature. Voyager has that small screen.
    > I'll ask again, how do you carry the Voyager around?
    > Looks like you really need a holster for it. Too big for a jeans
    > pocket.
    >


    Barely bigger then the iPhone in any way and I found it no harder to
    carry or conceal- sounds like you need to put the tight jeans away (the
    '80's ended a long time ago) and get a new pair.




  3. #63
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    At 12 Dec 2007 18:40:33 -0800 Kurt wrote:

    > I bought a portable Garmin last year for under $250 that goes everywhere.
    > Don't need one on my phone.


    To each his own- my BT module was well under $100 and came with a suction-
    cup mount for my WinMo phone.

    > GPS on a phone in the car: small screen, too much looking down.


    My phone is mounted where you've mouted your GPS, and the 2.8" screen is
    fine. Now with Windows Live Search's voice recognition, I don't even have
    to enter POIs or addresses by touch anymore.






  4. #64
    Tinman
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    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    Kurt wrote:
    >
    > That's why I wouldn't buy a cat with that option built in.


    That's cruel. How is Felix gonna find his way home should you lose him 1,000
    miles away???


    --
    Mike





  5. #65
    Kurt
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    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    In article <[email protected]>, "Tinman" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Kurt wrote:
    > >
    > > That's why I wouldn't buy a cat with that option built in.

    >
    > That's cruel. How is Felix gonna find his way home should you lose him 1,000
    > miles away???


    I'm sending you a cat:

    http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j284/mrsnak/mycat.jpg

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  6. #66
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    In article <[email protected]>,
    CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

    > Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in
    > >> news:[email protected]:
    > >>
    > >> > In article <[email protected]>,
    > >> > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in
    > >> >> news:labolide-E05E39.07490709122007 @news.giganews.com:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
    > >> >> > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >> O x f o r d <[email protected]> wrote in news:iphone-
    > >> >> >> [email protected]:
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> > Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > It looks a bit bulky and awkward.
    > >> >> >> >> > Sorry, but iPhone is still the King.
    > >> >> >> >> > Keep trying.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> 59 to 63 points? We're supposed to "weep" about 4 pts
    > >> >> >> >> difference?
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> Bulk of unit and no WIFI lose it for me.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> What kind of goofy holster do you use to carry it?
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> Love that I can do all my syncing through iTunes, don't
    > >> >> >> >> understand others' problems with that.
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > i think its funny they forgot mention the iphone has over
    > >> >> >> > double the battery life, a better screen, much larger screen,
    > >> >> >> > and is quite a bit thinner.
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > 480 x 320 pixels iphone
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > 400 x 240 pixels lg voyager
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> And the Voyager still won. What does that tell you about the
    > >> >> >> market, Oxtard? Could it be that functionality is more
    > >> >> >> important than toy features?
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Again, a 4 pts difference "win"?
    > >> >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Yep- after all, acccording to Oxtard, the iPhone has no peer in
    > >> >> the cellular world and is so far above everything else that all
    > >> >> makers quake at the sight of it. This proves that tainted and
    > >> >> uneducated philosophy to be incorrect.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> That's the problem with being a blind and clueless fanboi- it
    > >> >> makes the presentation of facts contrary to the fanboi view all
    > >> >> that much more difficult to swallow.
    > >> >
    > >> > Have you actually used either?
    > >>
    > >> I probably have about 3 or 4 hours of iPhone play time under my belt
    > >> and maybe an hour with the Voyager. I found the iPhone to be average
    > >> (at best) as a phone, below average as a PDA, but a great mp3 player.
    > >> The interface, while glitzy, was annoying and not real useful,
    > >> unless I was playing music. The Voyager seems to be much better
    > >> suited to a power user.
    > >>

    > > I wanted a week of real use, not playtime.

    >
    > I didn't need a week with either one- I was able to test all pertinent
    > functionality of both phones and test them in a number of differnet
    > scenarios and locations.
    >
    > > I've never used the iTunes
    > > feature. Voyager has that small screen.
    > > I'll ask again, how do you carry the Voyager around?
    > > Looks like you really need a holster for it. Too big for a jeans
    > > pocket.
    > >

    >
    > Barely bigger then the iPhone in any way and I found it no harder to
    > carry or conceal- sounds like you need to put the tight jeans away (the
    > '80's ended a long time ago) and get a new pair.


    The dockers with the phone pocket don't cut it for me.

    I'm a little old for skinny jeans.

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  7. #67
    Kurt
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    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

    > At 12 Dec 2007 18:40:33 -0800 Kurt wrote:
    >
    > > I bought a portable Garmin last year for under $250 that goes everywhere.
    > > Don't need one on my phone.

    >
    > To each his own- my BT module was well under $100 and came with a suction-
    > cup mount for my WinMo phone.
    >
    > > GPS on a phone in the car: small screen, too much looking down.

    >
    > My phone is mounted where you've mouted your GPS, and the 2.8" screen is
    > fine. Now with Windows Live Search's voice recognition, I don't even have
    > to enter POIs or addresses by touch anymore.


    How much are the extra service charges?

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  8. #68
    pltrgyst
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    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:22:41 -0700, "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> That's why I wouldn't buy a cat with that option built in.

    >
    >That's cruel. How is Felix gonna find his way home should you lose him 1,000
    >miles away???


    With any luck: dead reckoning.

    -- Larry



  9. #69
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    At 13 Dec 2007 10:28:31 -0800 Kurt wrote:


    > > My phone is mounted where you've mouted your GPS, and the 2.8" screen is
    > > fine. Now with Windows Live Search's voice recognition, I don't even
    > > have to enter POIs or addresses by touch anymore.

    >
    > How much are the extra service charges?
    >


    Zero. This a free service from Microsoft, to compete with Google's free
    Google Maps Mobile.

    It does require a data plan, which I already had anyway for browsing and e-
    mail. (My unlimited data plan is $5.99/month from T-Mobile.)

    I also have a "real" GPS program that I keep as a backup for when I'm
    outside of cell service that came with my old CompactFlash GPS module, that
    I used to use with my old (non-phone) Pocket PC (back before dashboard GPS
    units were ubiquitous or cheap.)

    Right now Google and MS are locked in a battle to see who can offer the
    best free nav app for WinMo, Palm, Blackberry and Java phones, and
    consumers are winning! Both offer free live traffic updates, millions of
    POI's with click-to-call links. MS' WLS adds a "Save to Contacts"
    function, residential listings, movie listings at the closest 25 theaters,
    gas prices (sorts the closest 25 gas stations by lowest price- great for
    when you return the rental car!), and speech recognition for POI lookup (i.e.

    "Holiday Inn, Orlando, Florida," or "Hotels."

    Google recently added cell tower location to Google Maps. It's not
    accurate enough to navigate (it only locates you within a mile or so,) but
    it saves you from having to type where you currently are to search "nearby"
    POIs on phones without GPS. (The step they didn't show you in the iPhone
    "Calamari" commercial!) ;-)


    Probably the best (only?) navigation app for iPhone is Navizon from
    www.navizon.com. It requires a jail-broken phone, and costs $25, but it's
    a nav app that uses cell tower and WiFi access point locations to pinpoint
    your location on WiFi-equipped phones without GPS. Navizon maintains a
    database of AP locations supplied by people with WiFi and GPS enabled
    phones (like me) who act as "paid volunteers"- we run their app and our
    phones automatically log any APs we drive near, and upload the GPS
    coordinates to Navizon's servers, and we get paid a pittance ($20 per 5000
    unique APs logged) to upload the data.

    The really neat thing about the Navizon software is that in addition to
    being a (mediocre) navigation app itself, it can output your location in
    GPS format to other apps on the phone, so apps like WLS or Google Maps work
    as if you had a "real" GPS. (This feature may or may not matter to iPhone
    users currently, since there are no other GPS apps available to receive the
    data as of yet.)





  10. #70
    Larry
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    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in news:labolide-
    [email protected]:

    > How much are the extra service charges?
    >
    >


    Shhh...Kurt! It's not nice to razz them about all those service
    charges if you wanna talk on Skype or do something else on the
    WebTVPhone!

    Larry
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    Merry Christmas!
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_NhFS4xEE



  11. #71
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

    > At 13 Dec 2007 10:28:31 -0800 Kurt wrote:
    >
    >
    > > > My phone is mounted where you've mouted your GPS, and the 2.8" screen is
    > > > fine. Now with Windows Live Search's voice recognition, I don't even
    > > > have to enter POIs or addresses by touch anymore.

    > >
    > > How much are the extra service charges?
    > >

    >
    > Zero. This a free service from Microsoft, to compete with Google's free
    > Google Maps Mobile.
    >
    > It does require a data plan, which I already had anyway for browsing and e-
    > mail. (My unlimited data plan is $5.99/month from T-Mobile.)
    >
    > I also have a "real" GPS program that I keep as a backup for when I'm
    > outside of cell service that came with my old CompactFlash GPS module, that
    > I used to use with my old (non-phone) Pocket PC (back before dashboard GPS
    > units were ubiquitous or cheap.)
    >
    > Right now Google and MS are locked in a battle to see who can offer the
    > best free nav app for WinMo, Palm, Blackberry and Java phones, and
    > consumers are winning! Both offer free live traffic updates, millions of
    > POI's with click-to-call links. MS' WLS adds a "Save to Contacts"
    > function, residential listings, movie listings at the closest 25 theaters,
    > gas prices (sorts the closest 25 gas stations by lowest price- great for
    > when you return the rental car!), and speech recognition for POI lookup (i.e.
    >
    > "Holiday Inn, Orlando, Florida," or "Hotels."
    >
    > Google recently added cell tower location to Google Maps. It's not
    > accurate enough to navigate (it only locates you within a mile or so,) but
    > it saves you from having to type where you currently are to search "nearby"
    > POIs on phones without GPS. (The step they didn't show you in the iPhone
    > "Calamari" commercial!) ;-)
    >
    >
    > Probably the best (only?) navigation app for iPhone is Navizon from
    > www.navizon.com. It requires a jail-broken phone, and costs $25, but it's
    > a nav app that uses cell tower and WiFi access point locations to pinpoint
    > your location on WiFi-equipped phones without GPS. Navizon maintains a
    > database of AP locations supplied by people with WiFi and GPS enabled
    > phones (like me) who act as "paid volunteers"- we run their app and our
    > phones automatically log any APs we drive near, and upload the GPS
    > coordinates to Navizon's servers, and we get paid a pittance ($20 per 5000
    > unique APs logged) to upload the data.
    >
    > The really neat thing about the Navizon software is that in addition to
    > being a (mediocre) navigation app itself, it can output your location in
    > GPS format to other apps on the phone, so apps like WLS or Google Maps work
    > as if you had a "real" GPS. (This feature may or may not matter to iPhone
    > users currently, since there are no other GPS apps available to receive the
    > data as of yet.)


    Sorry to say, but all your solution would complicate my life. I don't
    want to chase down my bells and whistles.

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  12. #72
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    At 13 Dec 2007 19:19:39 -0800 Kurt wrote:

    > Sorry to say, but all your solution would complicate my life.


    You don't need all of them! They were a sampling of various options!


    > I don't
    > want to chase down my bells and whistles.



    To each his own. I don't want to lug around a dashboard GPS and yet
    another power cord on vacation! ;-)





  13. #73
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

    > At 13 Dec 2007 19:19:39 -0800 Kurt wrote:
    >
    > > Sorry to say, but all your solution would complicate my life.

    >
    > You don't need all of them! They were a sampling of various options!
    >
    >
    > > I don't
    > > want to chase down my bells and whistles.

    >
    >
    > To each his own. I don't want to lug around a dashboard GPS and yet
    > another power cord on vacation! ;-)


    And your phone doesn't require charging?

    I think phone GPS is much better suited to those who mostly take public
    transportation and don't normally use a car. The rare occasions when
    renting one make the phone an option. Screen is still too small for
    daytime driving. Too distracting.

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  14. #74
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: CNet agrees, Voyager is better than the iPhone!

    At 14 Dec 2007 07:54:34 -0800 Kurt wrote:

    > > To each his own. I don't want to lug around a dashboard GPS and yet
    > > another power cord on vacation! ;-)

    >
    > And your phone doesn't require charging?



    Of course it does. So I'm already packing it on trips. My goal is to have
    less stuff to schlep- my phone can act as a GPS, but a GPS can't act as a
    phone. Guess which one stays behind?


    > I think phone GPS is much better suited to those who mostly take public
    > transportation and don't normally use a car. The rare occasions when
    > renting one make the phone an option. Screen is still too small for
    > daytime driving. Too distracting.


    Depends on the phone. I see little difference in a 2.8" phone screen and
    the 3.5" screen most GPS units seem equipped with.

    Again, I'm sure my needs differ from yours (and perhaps most peoples!) but
    for me it's all about eliminating duplicate devices when mobile- my phone
    is my phone, PDA, GPS, iPod, paperback book, and, often, even my laptop.





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