"I pick it up [a friend's iPhone] and start crying"

Good read found at Gizmodo about Microsoft WinMO's blunders
What's Wrong With Windows Mobile and How WM7 and WM8 Are Going to Fix
It
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/what.s-wr...-it-333536.php

User commented after reading the above link about WM6 ...
"I pick it up [a friend's iPhone] and start crying"

BY MRHELLPOP AT 12/14/07 04:04 PM

Seriously??? They plan on making it usable TWO versions down the line?
THEY KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE BUT WON'T FIX THEM UNTIL THEN??????? I
swear to god it's like Microsoft just REFUSES to let people test their
products and provide feedback! That or they use only programmer nerds,
not real people, to test their software. No one besides a programmer
could look at that totally BS interface and even begin to understand
it. It took me nearly a week to figure out how to do anything on my T-
mobile Dash. Then my buddy whips out his IPhone and gets all crazy on
it. I pick it up and start crying because it's REALLY EASY to do stuff
on it.

I hate you, Windows Mobile. I hope you die

---

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4phun wrote:
> Good read found at Gizmodo about Microsoft WinMO's blunders
> What's Wrong With Windows Mobile and How WM7 and WM8 Are Going to Fix
> It
> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/what.s-wr...-it-333536.php
>
> User commented after reading the above link about WM6 ...
> "I pick it up [a friend's iPhone] and start crying"
>
> BY MRHELLPOP AT 12/14/07 04:04 PM
>
> Seriously??? They plan on making it usable TWO versions down the line?
> THEY KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE BUT WON'T FIX THEM UNTIL THEN??????? I
> swear to god it's like Microsoft just REFUSES to let people test their
> products and provide feedback! That or they use only programmer nerds,
> not real people, to test their software. No one besides a programmer
> could look at that totally BS interface and even begin to understand
> it. It took me nearly a week to figure out how to do anything on my T-
> mobile Dash. Then my buddy whips out his IPhone and gets all crazy on
> it. I pick it up and start crying because it's REALLY EASY to do stuff
> on it.
>
> I hate you, Windows Mobile. I hope you die


Just be glad you're happy with your iPhone, because if you werent
there would be nothing you could do about it. I for one am more than
happy with my old crusty, clunky, boxy, PPC 6700. If I had an iPhone
I WOULD CRY because it would make me feel like a simpleton. The
author was right, maybe WinMo is just too advanced for someone like
you Oxford.

One thing the author was wrong about however, is customizing the WinMo
phone to your liking. There are many task manager programs available
that allow you to close and switch between apps easily, from whatever
screen you might be on, not only the today screen like h mentioned.
Most people do not like Pocket Internet Explorer, so they use Opera
Mobile natively, or the free Opera Mini for Java. As far as I'm
concerned, even PIE is better than Safari because Safari WILL NOT LET
YOU DOWNLOAD ANYTHING. That is a necessity to me, because I often
download FREE ring tones from my ftp, or download my Orb playlist
stream files to listen to music from my home PC.

All the stuff the author mentions about contacts is totally wrong.
For one, MS Voice Command is by far the most advanced voice
recognition I have ever seen on a mobile phone. iPhone doesn't even
have voice dialing. Works great when using a headset. As far as
viewing contacts, There are many free contact apps available, even
one called PocketCM which is exactly like the iPhone contact list,
scroll gliding and everything.

As far as navigating the phone in general, the author is again wrong
when he talks about using the stylus all the time. There are many one-
hand, stylus free solutions for WinMo. I use TouchFlo on my phone,
totally free, allows scrolling with the finger on any screen on the
phone without using the scroll bars. TouchFlo also can tell the
difference between a finger and the stylus, and recognizes gestures
that can be used to open/close apps, or run other shortcuts or
commands.

I think I will start posting a daily thread called "Things you can't
do with iPhone". For instance, today I was at work, my friend asked
me, "hey man, what was that crazy band a few years ago that sang the
song "I believe in a thing called love?""

I typed the title in the Live Search box on my today screen, pressed
enter, I was already connected to the Internet with my high speed EVDO
connection, so it instantly pulled up the Google Search results, ( I
modified the Live Search today plugin to query Google rather than
Microsoft). After informing him that the band was called "The
Darkness", I copied the band name and clicked a shortcut over to
www.YouTube.com. Notice thats not m.youtube.com, I pasted "The
Darkness" in the YouTube search box and within seconds we were
watching the video for I believe in a thing called love on my phone.
It was quite handy.

I just searched m.youtube.com for The Darkness, and it returned no
results. Being as iPhone uses m.youtube, which doesnt feature the
full youtube library, you would have not been able to do this with
iPhone. Besides, EDGE isn't fast enough to stream the real flash
video anyways, so m.youtube has to encode in crappy 3gp video

I guess that will be todays installment for "Things you cant do with
iPhone" Check back tomorrow for more crazy antics, shenanigans, and
goings on.

I don't want an iPhone, never will. iPhones are toys. Granted they do
have their place, which is in the hands of an idiot who can be
satisfied with somebody telling them what they can and can not do.

I leave you with this http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

digi <[email protected]> wrote in news:4b20b43b-7197-454d-b6c4-
[email protected]:

> iPhones are toys.

I think my analogy is better.....Pocket WebTV.

See the resemblence? Browser-based everything...web appliance...no
downloading...no storage....no program running....for dummies.

Pocket WebTV.....er, except WebTV at least has a KEYBOARD!

Larry
--
Merry Christmas!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_NhFS4xEE

Note dropped Verizon from group no iPhone UI for them

On Dec 15, 11:42 pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> digi <[email protected]> wrote in news:4b20b43b-7197-454d-b6c4-
> [email protected]:
>
> > iPhones are toys.
>
> I think my analogy is better.....Pocket WebTV.
>
> See the resemblence? Browser-based everything...web appliance...no
> downloading...no storage....no program running....for dummies.
>
> Pocket WebTV.....er, except WebTV at least has a KEYBOARD!
>
> Larry
> --

Larry I respect you for you appear knowledgeable but you begin to
loose it when you spew incorrect information. All of the above is
blatantly false. Larry get with it.

The iPhone and its little brother iTouch can download over the air.

Apple now allows you to have custom ring tones made out of what ever
you want.
http://feeds.tuaw.com/~r/weblogsinc/tuaw/~3/200322259/


And I have a lot of programs installed including a resident RSS reader
that allows one to store RSS feeds to read say when on a long plane
flight. There you would have no access to AT&T or a WiFi network. For
about five or ten minutes of refreshing the reader you could have
enough data to keep you busy reading for hours upon hours of no
connection.

BTW you can listen to podcasts or music while reading your feeds.
There is also a program that downloads podcasts from anywhere directly
to the Apple device over the air. I also installed three more new
games I downloaded last night. There were two new automatic updates to
software I installed last month. I am sure there are thousands doing
this now but know this Larry,everyone else can play starting in
February.

I had to carry a Win Mobile device and use it all day long for over a
year. It crashed occasional at the worst time. I hated it and
eventually got the whole company to realize they were crap and no one
in IT was ever going to fix them. I had a windows PDA before that
which I eventually gave away to some kid in school. Everything in the
post I pointed to is accurate, the UI is poor and requires a stylus to
poke dinky little details. Have you ever seen one of these when
someone you handed it to capture a signature after they signed it with
a ball point pen?

Just for fun (4phun) here are a few observations I noticed from users
coming from this old crap into the new iPhone user interface and its
touch screen keyboard where you DO NOT NEED A STYLUS.

BY ARASHI AT 12/14/07 01:04 PM

Been using WM5/6 for over an year now, and while you certainly can get
along with it, it has serious problems. And yes, the UI is the
biggest. They tried to cram way too much functionality behind tiny
little icons and dropdown menus that are pain in the ass to use
without the stylus. Now stylus, there is nothing that can justify the
need of digging out stick every time you want to use the device just
that you can poke those tiny little icons and dropdown menus, nothing.
I've downloaded quite a bit of applications since the release of
iPhone that allow me to use my fingers instead of stylus and I can
guarantee, if you weren't using PDA before iPhone, you certainly can't
comprehend the ball of revolution they [Apple] set rolling in the
scene.

Mystic said...
Are you kidding me!!!? You have to be mental not to be able to type on
the iPhone keyboard. Personally, I can type twice as fast as I could
on the Treo or Sidekick, and when I put it on a table and use two
fingers, even faster.

Thayne Miller said...
I've owned PDAs ever since their inception with the Newton, Palm,
Windows CE, WM5.0, and now the iPhone. I've used keyboards of all
kinds, both QWERTY, T9, fitaly, and software. I can honestly say the
iPhone's keyboard is the fastest keyboard I could ask for. I used to
be able to type pretty quick on a T9 Motorola, but you can't do
symbols very easily. The iPhone makes it a cinch. In fact, when I show
off my iPhone, people are always quick to point out how impressed they
are with how fast I can type on it! You don't know how many times I've
heard, "wow, that keyboard is much faster than my [insert cell phone
here]."

Harry said...
I owned the Treo 600, Treo 650 and Blackberry Pearl before iPhone, and
I can assure you that their keyboards don't hold a candle compared to
my iPhone.
I can type almost 3 times as fast. The secret I've discovered is that
you must not press the virtual keys too hard you just need to caress
the buttons and then you'll have greater sensitivity and thus, more
speed.

Birru said...
I got used to my iPhone keyboard the evening I got it. Leading up to
ownership, the keyboard was my biggest concern. It turned out to be a
non-issue. I. Love. My. iPhone. I fly on it now and the iPhone is my
main email client just because I don't feel like digging out my
MacBook while I'm out and about. I've never liked smartphone keyboards
though, and I was always pretty fast with T9 on my Sony Ericsson.

will said...
What do you mean, "iphone keyboard" vs "qwerty keyboard"?? The iphone
keyboard *is* a qwerty keyboard! hello? It's right there, clear as
day, Q W E R T Y. I think you mean iphone keyboard vs "physical"
keyboard or perhaps "tactile" keyboard..

For what it's worth, I do think the tactile keyboards are quicker to
type on, if for no other reason that you don't have to look at your
fingers while you're typing, you can just feel the keys. But on the
whole I love the iphone tons more than any of the tactile keyboard
phones out there, so I wouldn't consider trading it out for a second.
I'm mostly used to the iphone keyboard now, and don't mind it. The
only real problem I have is its complete lack of ability to learn 3-
letter and 2-letter words. It JUST WON'T DO IT. And I get tired,
honestly, of X-ing out the suggested "us" when I typed "ha" and X-ing
out "agh" when I typed "ahh" (and what kind of word is "agh"
anyway??). They really need to fix that.

BY KEEBLER AT 12/14/07 12:37 PM

Cool article.

One important thing that I think was left out is: yes, you can
download windows mobile programs to add additional features, but those
additional programs often are at the expense of the stability of the
entire phone. I added an app to allow me to switch between tasks and
my phone would crash twice a day. This type of thing was very common
when I had a WinMo phone. I've had a large number of apps installed on
my iPhone and only two have made it crash (both IM apps strangely).

Y EUROPRIA AT 12/14/07 01:05 PM

I hate to sound like a fanboy, but only thing broken with than
platform is IT IS NOT IPHONE. I don't if it is a fact but I feel
Microsoft's user experience designers product managers with software
or business background where as IPhone seems like it is designed by
fashion designer or an architect

(PS: I make my living writing software with Microsoft Products)...

BY MULLINGITOVER AT 12/14/07 01:41 PM

I've used Windows Mobile 5 for a year, and I've had an iPhone for the
last six weeks. WM6 looks pretty marginal, and I'm sure WM7 and WM8
are going to be increasingly kneejerk reactions to the iPhone. The
bottom line is that with Windows Mobile, I ended up using it as a
phone and an alarm clock and nothing more. It was just too slow and
clunky. Every task is completely lacking in consideration of
ergonomics and usability. Watching old people do move furniture is a
more apt description.

Then there's the iPhone, which is practically from a different planet.
It's like the designers completely bossed around the engineers, the
opposite of what the the Windows Mobile convention is.

Bottom line: I'd use Windows Mobile because I had to, and I use the
iPhone because I actually like to.

At 15 Dec 2007 05:56:29 -0800 4phun wrote:
> Good read found at Gizmodo about Microsoft WinMO's blunders
> What's Wrong With Windows Mobile and How WM7 and WM8 Are Going to Fix
> It
> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/what.s-wr...windows-mobile...


Actually it was an interesting read, but the author apparently doesn't know
his way around a WinMo phone very well. Some of the things he bashed
current WinMo phones for being difficult are far simpler than he describes.
(Like getng to the phone app to make a call requires one button press from
anywhere in the system- you simply push the talk key to get to the dialer
and dial, which, frankly, doesn't require a stylus- the buttons aren't THAT
small!)

But the fact that he didn't know his way around too well does illustrate
that the current incarnation of WinMo isn't very intuitive and does have a
pretty steep learning curve.


> User commented after reading the above link about WM6 ...
> "I pick it up [a friend's iPhone] and start crying"

Wow. It's bad enough that most of the "news" posted here comes from
bloggers, but we're stooping to a new low if we're quoting COMMENTS posted
to blogs!


> "Then my buddy whips out his IPhone and gets all crazy on
> it. I pick it up and start crying because it's REALLY EASY to do stuff
> on it. "

Yeah, I cried when I picked up an iPhone too. I wanted to replace my WinMo
phone with one mostly because of WinMo's piss-poor web browsers (both
native and 3rd-party.) Then I cried because the iPhone is basically a two-
trick pony (iPod and browser.) Fortunately, Opera came to rescue with
Opera Mini 4, which essentially ripped off the iPhone's full web page
render/zoom-in concept. Part of WinMo's beauty is it's ability to offer
options. I use the native IEmobile browser most of the time for
predominantly textual or simple graphical web sites (Google searches,
weather, on-line banking, WAP/PDA sites, etc.) but use Opera Mina for more
complex, overly java'd sites (airlines, Travelocity, some hotel websites
, etc.)

Again, as has been said before, a WinMo phone is like a Swiss Army Knife- a
variety of mediocre, akward-to-use tools in one small convenient package.
None of those tools is as good as the "real" tool it emulates- no one in
their right mind would choose to use the screwdriver or scissors in a Swiss
Army Knife if a real screwdriver or pair of scissors were handy, for example,

but that's WinMo- it's the mediocre phone, PDA, GPS, iPod, eBook and laptop
that prevents you from needing to carry a separate phone, PDA, iPod, GPS,
book and laptop!

So bring on WinMo 7, 8, 9, MoS X or whatever- hopefully they'll all have a
learning curve because they'll all be as infinately versatile, and
customizable, as their akward forebears. To paraphrase JFK, we don't do
these things because they are easy, but because they are hard! ;-)

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:21d4a79a-0739-44ff-8083-
[email protected]:

> The iPhone and its little brother iTouch can download over the air.

OK, go download Skype and call me on it.

Go to usenet, download some MP3 files from
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.rock and play them for me.

Go download Opera for Mac and browse to BBC and play me some live
radio. BBC is in Realaudio, so go to www.real.com and download the
player and browser plugin for Opera, too

It downloads from iTunes....so THEY can control you. Bull****.

> Apple now allows you to have custom ring tones made out of what
ever
> you want.
> http://feeds.tuaw.com/~r/weblogsinc/tuaw/~3/200322259/
>
Take its Usenet client to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.sound-effects and
download any tone into it. Tell it to make the sound effect into a
ringtone. Bull****

>
> And I have a lot of programs installed including a resident RSS
reader
> that allows one to store RSS feeds to read say when on a long plane
> flight. There you would have no access to AT&T or a WiFi network.
For
> about five or ten minutes of refreshing the reader you could have
> enough data to keep you busy reading for hours upon hours of no
> connection.
Is it Jailbreaked? Whos RSS reader are you using...specifically.

>
> BTW you can listen to podcasts or music while reading your feeds.
> There is also a program that downloads podcasts from anywhere
directly
> to the Apple device over the air. I also installed three more new
> games I downloaded last night. There were two new automatic updates
to
> software I installed last month. I am sure there are thousands
doing
> this now but know this Larry,everyone else can play starting in
> February.

OK. Browse to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2 and click the live feed. I
wanna listen to BBC 2.

>
> I had to carry a Win Mobile device and use it all day long for over
a
> year. It crashed occasional at the worst time. I hated it and
> eventually got the whole company to realize they were crap and no
one
> in IT was ever going to fix them. I had a windows PDA before that
> which I eventually gave away to some kid in school. Everything in
the
> post I pointed to is accurate, the UI is poor and requires a stylus
to
> poke dinky little details. Have you ever seen one of these when
> someone you handed it to capture a signature after they signed it
with
> a ball point pen?

I had a Dell x51v WM5 pda. It sucked awful...crashed without even
running programs. WMx is nearly as bad as a Pocket WebTV that won't
run anything.

>
> Just for fun (4phun) here are a few observations I noticed from
users
> coming from this old crap into the new iPhone user interface and
its
> touch screen keyboard where you DO NOT NEED A STYLUS.
>

I don't "need a stylus"...unless my fingers are greasy eating
breakfast...I, unlike you, have a CHOICE. My choice is a Nokia
Bluetooth folding keyboard. I'm typing on it now. It's a choice you
don't have on the ****ty Pocket WebTV.

>

Mmmm...great breakfast. Grits!

Larry
--
Merry Christmas!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_NhFS4xEE

On 2007-12-16, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Apple now allows you to have custom ring tones made out of what
> ever
>> you want. http://feeds.tuaw.com/~r/weblogsinc/tuaw/~3/200322259/
>>
> Take its Usenet client to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.sound-effects and
> download any tone into it. Tell it to make the sound effect into a
> ringtone. Bull****

You have no clue what you are talking about. I just tried it, only
varying from what you asked in the source of the MP3. Rather than
downloading from usenet, I grabbed an MP3 file from a game. I added it
to my iTunes library, went into GarageBand and opened the media browser,
found the MP3 in my iTunes library, dragged it to a new GarageBand
project, selected a region of it, and invoked the command to send it to
iTunes as a ringtone.

I then put my iPhone in the dock, synced, and the ringtone was there and
worked.

On Dec 16, 5:46 pm, Tim Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2007-12-16, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Apple now allows you to have custom ring tones made out of what
> > ever
> >> you want. http://feeds.tuaw.com/~r/weblogsinc/tuaw/~3/200322259/
>
> > Take its Usenet client to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.sound-effects and
> > download any tone into it. Tell it to make the sound effect into a
> > ringtone. Bull****
>
> You have no clue what you are talking about. I just tried it, only
> varying from what you asked in the source of the MP3. Rather than
> downloading from usenet, I grabbed an MP3 file from a game. I added it
> to my iTunes library, went into GarageBand and opened the media browser,
> found the MP3 in my iTunes library, dragged it to a new GarageBand
> project, selected a region of it, and invoked the command to send it to
> iTunes as a ringtone.
>
> I then put my iPhone in the dock, synced, and the ringtone was there and
> worked.

Tim, Larry's strong point certainly isn't in being accurate or even in
being particularly well informed about the iPhone/iTouch. I also
wondered why anyone would grab MP3 files from USENET but I guess to
each his own. He does bring some good points about the Nokia N800 to
the table so I like to see his comments thereby I can be better
informed.

Tim Smith <[email protected]> wrote in news:13mban2ephmvk60
@news.supernews.com:

> I added it
> to my iTunes library, went into GarageBand and opened the media browser,
> found the MP3 in my iTunes library, dragged it to a new GarageBand
> project, selected a region of it, and invoked the command to send it to
> iTunes as a ringtone.
>

There's the keywords...right there...."My iTunes Library". I didn't say
anything about getting Apple's permission before copying a simple,
unsecured MP3 file from a computer to iPhone, did I? No, I did not. I
didn't say anything about copying some iTunes hidden file with it so it
would play, either. I believe there is a file load that comes along with
it for iTunes, someone else told me. Of course, you won't see them listed.

Why did you need iTunes to COPY an MP3 file to the memory? What if I want
to copy 250 MP3 files to a folder called ROCK? Can I click and drag them
to the phone or do I click and drag them to iTunes?? Why do I need iTunes
to load it, anyways. They're just MP3 files.

Damned iPod crapware...



Larry
--
Merry Christmas!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_NhFS4xEE

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:ce030b02-3555-4eb8-84b0-
[email protected]:

> Tim, Larry's strong point certainly isn't in being accurate or even in
> being particularly well informed about the iPhone/iTouch. I also
> wondered why anyone would grab MP3 files from USENET but I guess to
> each his own. He does bring some good points about the Nokia N800 to
> the table so I like to see his comments thereby I can be better
> informed.
>

I'm really glad this has remained civil, for a change. There are
deficiencies in all these tablets. N800 lacks some important codecs to
play movies, both natively and streamed over Orb in Realmedia. Many
movies have to be "converted" to play on it....which I think is a
travesty. It drives me crazy when the native media player says
"Resolution not supported". Ok, so why didn't it tell the Real server it
wasn't supported in that resolution and Orb fix it? Real servers can do
that. The lack of JAVA support is the big browser snafu. NOAA weather
radar runs in JAVA. That sucks, too. I just cured that problem, though.
I simply run rdesktop on the N800 and watch the weather radar from my
WinXP remote desktop on the big mainframe at home. Any Java I want to
see is done that way, now. It sucks, but it does work. Movies and audio
are out of the question....rdesktop updates too slow for video. I
finally got Google Earth on the rdesktop user to give me full control and
the full-size picture. Everything works..(c; One group of hackers
released mplayer, a seemingly simple media player for it. THAT player
plays lots MORE movies than the native player. It does something
differently, but I don't know what.

I've read the iPhone user's manual from cover to cover...the English
part, anyways. There is nothing about copying a file from a computer to
iPhone except the iTunes syncing nonsense. What are "they" afraid of?
Why doesn't it have a USB port so I can COPY files over it as an external
disk drive like the cheapest MP3 players have. That's not "user
unfriendly" being able to simply move files on and off an MP3 player with
the simplest of file managers...or even a DOS or Xterm window.

I'm sorry, fellas, but I don't like to be told NO by my computer company.
"No, we don't want you to do that.", just pisses me off. It's why I
don't use anything on my MotoROKR Z6M but the BT DUN and its unencumbered
MP3 player. I wouldn't have bought it if it had no removable STANDARD
memory cards. Like iPhone, its standard software is terrible.

iPhone's:
No Bluetooth keyboard
No removeable memory card
No support for common webpage stuff like Flash
No support for browser plugins, so no Realmedia, no Windoze Media, etc.
No USB port and No copy command
No loadable programs to run stuff I want, not them.
No open source, or even 3rd party developers...yet.
No Bluetooth stereo headset...Isn't it supposed to be a music player?
No, no, no.....
No thanks...


Larry
--
Merry Christmas!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_NhFS4xEE

At 17 Dec 2007 04:00:51 +0000 Larry wrote:

> Why did you need iTunes to COPY an MP3 file to the memory?

For the iPhone it's needed- for iPods it's optional.

> What if I want
> to copy 250 MP3 files to a folder called ROCK? Can I click and drag them
> to the phone or do I click and drag them to iTunes??

Actually with iPods you can, as you've been told countless times.

> Why do I need iTunes
> to load it, anyways. They're just MP3 files.


Again, other than the iPhone,you don't. iTunes is for convenience
(controlling which files get synch'd- useful in selecting WHICH 4GB of your
50GB of music gets transfered,) conversion (automatically converts non-iPod
format files, like Windows Media files, into iPod-playable files) and for
DRM'd content (not all of us steal our music from Usenet.)

> Damned iPod crapware...

Personally I'm no fan of iTunes- for all of Apple fans' flak about
intuitiveness, I find iTunes incomprehensible- I use it so seldom that I
have to relearn it each time I use it (like you, I generally transfer files
to my players manually via a file manager when able.) I store my music
in .wma format to save disk space vs. MP3. All of my portables except a
second-hand iPod Nano play .wma, so for me, iTunes is more convenient
handling the conversion than manually re-ripping or converting back to MP3
the songs I want to stick on the Nano.

On 2007-12-17, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I added it
>> to my iTunes library, went into GarageBand and opened the media browser,
>> found the MP3 in my iTunes library, dragged it to a new GarageBand
>> project, selected a region of it, and invoked the command to send it to
>> iTunes as a ringtone.
>>
>
> There's the keywords...right there...."My iTunes Library". I didn't say
> anything about getting Apple's permission before copying a simple,
> unsecured MP3 file from a computer to iPhone, did I? No, I did not. I
> didn't say anything about copying some iTunes hidden file with it so it
> would play, either. I believe there is a file load that comes along with
> it for iTunes, someone else told me. Of course, you won't see them listed.

Of course you won't see them listed, since they don't exist. Why do you
keep making up things?

On Dec 16, 11:30 pm, Todd Allcock <[email protected]>
wrote:
> At 17 Dec 2007 04:00:51 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
> > Why did you need iTunes to COPY an MP3 file to the memory?
>
> For the iPhone it's needed- for iPods it's optional.
>
> > What if I want
> > to copy 250 MP3 files to a folder called ROCK? Can I click and drag them
> > to the phone or do I click and drag them to iTunes??
>
> Actually with iPods you can, as you've been told countless times.
>
> > Why do I need iTunes
> > to load it, anyways. They're just MP3 files.
>
> Again, other than the iPhone,you don't. iTunes is for convenience
> (controlling which files get synch'd- useful in selecting WHICH 4GB of your
> 50GB of music gets transfered,) conversion (automatically converts non-iPod
> format files, like Windows Media files, into iPod-playable files) and for
> DRM'd content (not all of us steal our music from Usenet.)
>
> > Damned iPod crapware...
>
> Personally I'm no fan of iTunes- for all of Apple fans' flak about
> intuitiveness, I find iTunes incomprehensible- I use it so seldom that I
> have to relearn it each time I use it (like you, I generally transfer files
> to my players manually via a file manager when able.) I store my music
> in .wma format to save disk space vs. MP3. All of my portables except a
> second-hand iPod Nano play .wma, so for me, iTunes is more convenient
> handling the conversion than manually re-ripping or converting back to MP3
> the songs I want to stick on the Nano.

I find iTunes to be darned slick for what it does. I have used it to
rip countless CDs over the last two years. The programmable SMART PLAY
LISTS are fantastic As a tool for managing pod casts it is hard to
beat. As a matter of fact I am convinced it can't be beat if you have
an iPod. The two take advantage of each others strengths. It takes
awhile to really learn all the neat stuff that can be done Some people
don't have what it takes to master iTunes due to the generally lax
educational system now in the USA.

..

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in
news:214c7059-bc10-47e7-9a41-3f6ffe247644@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 16, 11:30 pm, Todd Allcock <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> At 17 Dec 2007 04:00:51 +0000 Larry wrote:
>>
>> > Why did you need iTunes to COPY an MP3 file to the memory?
>>
>> For the iPhone it's needed- for iPods it's optional.
>>
>> > What if I want
>> > to copy 250 MP3 files to a folder called ROCK? Can I click and
>> > drag them to the phone or do I click and drag them to iTunes??
>>
>> Actually with iPods you can, as you've been told countless times.
>>
>> > Why do I need iTunes
>> > to load it, anyways. They're just MP3 files.
>>
>> Again, other than the iPhone,you don't. iTunes is for convenience
>> (controlling which files get synch'd- useful in selecting WHICH 4GB
>> of your 50GB of music gets transfered,) conversion (automatically
>> converts non-iPod format files, like Windows Media files, into
>> iPod-playable files) and for DRM'd content (not all of us steal our
>> music from Usenet.)
>>
>> > Damned iPod crapware...
>>
>> Personally I'm no fan of iTunes- for all of Apple fans' flak about
>> intuitiveness, I find iTunes incomprehensible- I use it so seldom
>> that I have to relearn it each time I use it (like you, I generally
>> transfer files to my players manually via a file manager when able.)
>> I store my music in .wma format to save disk space vs. MP3. All of
>> my portables except a second-hand iPod Nano play .wma, so for me,
>> iTunes is more convenient handling the conversion than manually
>> re-ripping or converting back to MP3 the songs I want to stick on the
>> Nano.
>
> I find iTunes to be darned slick for what it does. I have used it to
> rip countless CDs over the last two years. The programmable SMART PLAY
> LISTS are fantastic As a tool for managing pod casts it is hard to
> beat. As a matter of fact I am convinced it can't be beat if you have
> an iPod. The two take advantage of each others strengths. It takes
> awhile to really learn all the neat stuff that can be done Some people
> don't have what it takes to master iTunes due to the generally lax
> educational system now in the USA.
>
> .
>

Weren't today's tenured teachers and administrators taught on Apple
COmputers? That would explain the lax educational system.

iTunes is an idiot toy.

In article <[email protected]>,
CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> 4phun <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:214c7059-bc10-47e7-9a41-3f6ffe247644@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Dec 16, 11:30 pm, Todd Allcock <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> At 17 Dec 2007 04:00:51 +0000 Larry wrote:
> >>
> >> > Why did you need iTunes to COPY an MP3 file to the memory?
> >>
> >> For the iPhone it's needed- for iPods it's optional.
> >>
> >> > What if I want
> >> > to copy 250 MP3 files to a folder called ROCK? Can I click and
> >> > drag them to the phone or do I click and drag them to iTunes??
> >>
> >> Actually with iPods you can, as you've been told countless times.
> >>
> >> > Why do I need iTunes
> >> > to load it, anyways. They're just MP3 files.
> >>
> >> Again, other than the iPhone,you don't. iTunes is for convenience
> >> (controlling which files get synch'd- useful in selecting WHICH 4GB
> >> of your 50GB of music gets transfered,) conversion (automatically
> >> converts non-iPod format files, like Windows Media files, into
> >> iPod-playable files) and for DRM'd content (not all of us steal our
> >> music from Usenet.)
> >>
> >> > Damned iPod crapware...
> >>
> >> Personally I'm no fan of iTunes- for all of Apple fans' flak about
> >> intuitiveness, I find iTunes incomprehensible- I use it so seldom
> >> that I have to relearn it each time I use it (like you, I generally
> >> transfer files to my players manually via a file manager when able.)
> >> I store my music in .wma format to save disk space vs. MP3. All of
> >> my portables except a second-hand iPod Nano play .wma, so for me,
> >> iTunes is more convenient handling the conversion than manually
> >> re-ripping or converting back to MP3 the songs I want to stick on the
> >> Nano.
> >
> > I find iTunes to be darned slick for what it does. I have used it to
> > rip countless CDs over the last two years. The programmable SMART PLAY
> > LISTS are fantastic As a tool for managing pod casts it is hard to
> > beat. As a matter of fact I am convinced it can't be beat if you have
> > an iPod. The two take advantage of each others strengths. It takes
> > awhile to really learn all the neat stuff that can be done Some people
> > don't have what it takes to master iTunes due to the generally lax
> > educational system now in the USA.
> >
> > .
> >
>
> Weren't today's tenured teachers and administrators taught on Apple
> COmputers? That would explain the lax educational system.
>
> iTunes is an idiot toy.

Enjoy your Zune. LOL

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