The future of CDMA and EV-DO now in doubt.

4phun wrote:
> Interesting, no one here seems to care enough to research the subject.

Interestingly, we DO research the topic and find your information
is out of date.

> Verizon has taken an unpleasant hit that will affect their future.

There are always work arounds.

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On 2008-01-02, Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
> The iPhone trolls fail to realize that this is far worse news for them
> than it is for Verizon. Qualcomm makes the only viable 3G chipset today.
[...]
> Apple is screwed as well. They will have a difficult time getting a 3G
> chipset from anyone, and face the very real possibility that if they do
> commit to a particular chipset, they will get slapped with an import ban.

Of what you wrote the above is the only bit I disagree with. My bet is
that Apple is waiting to use this, or a similar, Infineon 3G chipset

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ysaaue

which is the upgrade for the 2.5G Infineon baseband and RF processors
Apple uses in the current product. Note the "Q3 2007" note, apparently
still in future tense. If Apple decided to commit to using this vendor,
and this vendor's functionality, early on they couldn't have shipped a
3G product any earlier than the rumors now have it as this chipset is way,
way late.

I'd be surprised if Apple switched to a Qualcomm chipset now since if
they'd been interested in doing that they would have done that in the first
place, been shipping a 3G product already and, perhaps, would have already
been caught up in Qualcomm's patent troubles (I'd also be surprised
if the story about Verizon being Apple's first choice, which was based
solely on reports from Verizon sources as far as I can tell, actually
matches Apple's view of what Apple preferred for about the same reason).
Apple may have chipset vendor problems, but they're currently more likely
to be delivery rather than patent problems.

Of course you never know, or at least I certainly don't (I've also seen
speculation that Apple might use a single chip processor Broadcom began
sampling in October, but I don't trust that either). We'll see what Apple
actually ships when they ship it.

Dennis Ferguson

Dennis Ferguson <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 2008-01-02, Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The iPhone trolls fail to realize that this is far worse news for
>> them than it is for Verizon. Qualcomm makes the only viable 3G
>> chipset today.
> [...]
>> Apple is screwed as well. They will have a difficult time getting a
>> 3G chipset from anyone, and face the very real possibility that if
>> they do commit to a particular chipset, they will get slapped with an
>> import ban.
>
> Of what you wrote the above is the only bit I disagree with. My bet
> is that Apple is waiting to use this, or a similar, Infineon 3G
> chipset
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ysaaue
>
> which is the upgrade for the 2.5G Infineon baseband and RF processors
> Apple uses in the current product. Note the "Q3 2007" note,
> apparently still in future tense. If Apple decided to commit to using
> this vendor, and this vendor's functionality, early on they couldn't
> have shipped a 3G product any earlier than the rumors now have it as
> this chipset is way, way late.
>
> I'd be surprised if Apple switched to a Qualcomm chipset now since if
> they'd been interested in doing that they would have done that in the
> first place, been shipping a 3G product already and, perhaps, would
> have already been caught up in Qualcomm's patent troubles (I'd also be
> surprised if the story about Verizon being Apple's first choice, which
> was based solely on reports from Verizon sources as far as I can tell,
> actually matches Apple's view of what Apple preferred for about the
> same reason). Apple may have chipset vendor problems, but they're
> currently more likely to be delivery rather than patent problems.
>
> Of course you never know, or at least I certainly don't (I've also
> seen speculation that Apple might use a single chip processor Broadcom
> began sampling in October, but I don't trust that either). We'll see
> what Apple actually ships when they ship it.
>
> Dennis Ferguson
>

The latest ruling seems to ***** trouble specifically for american GSM
carriers.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/01/tech...nt.ap/index.ht
m


CDMA appears to be free and clear. So much for 4phun having any idea about
the subject. Imagine that.

Dennis Ferguson wrote:

<snip>

> (I'd also be surprised
> if the story about Verizon being Apple's first choice, which was based
> solely on reports from Verizon sources as far as I can tell, actually
> matches Apple's view of what Apple preferred for about the same reason).

I thought the same thing initially, but Apple never denied that what was
reported was true. Normally there would be a quick rebuttal and denial.
With SOX, Verizon would not have issued an untrue statement about what
transpired.

I'm just going to side back and see what happens....is this d�j�? RIM????

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LAMARCOMM, LLC
www.lamarcomm.com | www.lamarcommaccessories.com
"4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>
> This is in effect a big blow to non GSM networks located in the USA.
> Plus Qualcomm will immediately not be allowed to ship any more
> advanced WCDMA chips locking Qualcomm's advanced CDMA technology out
> of high speed data beyond 3 EV-DO as I understand it.
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...technologyNews
>
> also
>
> http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/...?symbol=QCOM.O
>
> Verizon signed an agreement with Broadcom where they agreed to pay
> through the nose to still be able to import phones with Qualcomm chips
> last August.
>
> This is incredible to have your chip supplier castrated and leaving
> your own future in uncharted territory. Verizon and Sprint have far
> more than a little iPhone to worry about now. One article mentioned
> that they would move to have the US government declare an emergency
> and over turn the ruling.
>
> What ever happens this is fascinating.
>
>
>
>
>
>

"4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
> Verizon or Sprint phone.


Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously does
not apply.

You must, therefore be a spammer.

Bernard

"Bernard Farquart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
>> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
>> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
>> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
>> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
>> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>
>
> Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously does
> not apply.
>
> You must, therefore be a spammer.
>
> Bernard
>

You as well. When you did your reply you also cross posted.
Therefore your a spammer as well.

Bernard Farquart wrote:
> "4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
>> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
>> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
>> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
>> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
>> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>
>
> Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously does
> not apply.
>
> You must, therefore be a spammer.
>
> Bernard
>
>

Actually it applies even more to the GSM carriers, whose high speed data
networks are based on CDMA technology.

MaybeWi-Max is not dead after all as a CDMA replacement.



"LAMARCOMM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm just going to side back and see what happens....is this d�j�? RIM????
>
> --
> --
> Trent McMurray
> LAMARCOMM, LLC
> www.lamarcomm.com | www.lamarcommaccessories.com
> "4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
>> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
>> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
>> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
>> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
>> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>>
>> This is in effect a big blow to non GSM networks located in the USA.
>> Plus Qualcomm will immediately not be allowed to ship any more
>> advanced WCDMA chips locking Qualcomm's advanced CDMA technology out
>> of high speed data beyond 3 EV-DO as I understand it.
>>
>> http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...technologyNews
>>
>> also
>>
>> http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/...?symbol=QCOM.O
>>
>> Verizon signed an agreement with Broadcom where they agreed to pay
>> through the nose to still be able to import phones with Qualcomm chips
>> last August.
>>
>> This is incredible to have your chip supplier castrated and leaving
>> your own future in uncharted territory. Verizon and Sprint have far
>> more than a little iPhone to worry about now. One article mentioned
>> that they would move to have the US government declare an emergency
>> and over turn the ruling.
>>
>> What ever happens this is fascinating.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

On Jan 3, 3:46 pm, SMS $B;[h\J8(B* $B2F(B <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bernard Farquart wrote:
> > "4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
> >> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
> >> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
> >> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
> >> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
> >> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>
> > Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously does
> > not apply.
>
> > You must, therefore be a spammer.
>
> > Bernard
>
> Actually it applies even more to the GSM carriers, whose high speed data
> networks are based on CDMA technology.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of CEOs, I'll wait for the Koreans to
fix this. HA HA
Maosters...

SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:
> Bernard Farquart wrote:
>> "4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
>>> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
>>> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
>>> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
>>> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
>>> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>>
>>
>> Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously
>> does not apply.
>>
>> You must, therefore be a spammer.
>>
>> Bernard
>>
>
> Actually it applies even more to the GSM carriers, whose high speed data
> networks are based on CDMA technology.

Just a side issue. The extended characters you are using make any
replies to your posts display in a really hard to read font.

George wrote:
> SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:
>> Bernard Farquart wrote:
>>> "4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
>>>> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
>>>> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
>>>> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
>>>> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
>>>> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously
>>> does not apply.
>>>
>>> You must, therefore be a spammer.
>>>
>>> Bernard
>>>
>>
>> Actually it applies even more to the GSM carriers, whose high speed
>> data networks are based on CDMA technology.
>
> Just a side issue. The extended characters you are using make any
> replies to your posts display in a really hard to read font.

I've removed them. Sorry.

George wrote:
> Just a side issue. The extended characters you are using make any
> replies to your posts display in a really hard to read font.

I was just getting little boxes.

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Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

>Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
>Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
>as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.
Gasp! You mean the people trying to work out an international agreement
to stop global heating will do as much damage as my neighbors in this town
of 30,000? Yikes!

[email protected] wrote in
news[email protected]:

> You mean the people trying to work out an international agreement
> to stop global heating will do as much damage as my neighbors in this
> town of 30,000?

Unless they can control the SUN, and they can't, they'll have no effect
on "global heating" at all, much to their dismay.

Global Warming is caused by solar activity....alone.

This period . represents the Earth. The earth below your feet, represent
the sun, and is about that scale away from the "period earth" if you're
on the first floor of a house. Notice how BIG the sun is and how CLOSE
it is to the period. Man has no effect, whatsoever, on how the Sun heats
the period because all humans are represented in my model by ONE
molecule, not pixel, of the period.

Another example. World War II had no effect, whatsoever, on the
temperature of the Earth. Look at the records for yourself.

If we stop FUNDING "Global Warming"....it will die just like "Global Ice
Age" did back in 1975, when the WORST POLLUTER CARS WITH HUGE ENGINES BY
THE MILLIONS were COOLING the Earth since 1940! More funding bull****.

Larry
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