John Navas - Abuse

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> You're wasting your effort. It should be obvious that he's not trying
> for less frustration -- he's a vigilante trying to impose his own will
> on me by means of abusive conduct intended to coerce me, notwithstanding
> the impact on others, which is both arrogant and hypocritical.
>

Abusive conduct? Why do you post an invalid charter here? Further, why do
you set all follow-ups to your posts to go to alt.cellular.cingular. This
thread is about your illicit posting of the cingular charter in THIS newsgroup
and the discussion does not belong in the cingular group. Yet, you
intentially follow-up to the other group, post that other groups charter here
..... all in what appears to be a lame attempt at preventing the inevitable
decrease in posting volume of alt.cellular.cingular ... but I can only guess
at your reasons for doing it.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

In the land of the dark the Ship of the Sun is driven by the Grateful Dead.
-- Egyptian Book of the Dead

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Kevin Weaver wrote:
> Read his BS then come back and say that again.
>
> Read his postings in other groups. It's not just one group that hates
> him. The guy is not playing with a full deck.
>

>> If you look into other groups on Usenet, you will see that ISPs do not
>> seem to care about verbal abuse, racial slurs, spamming, pornography,
>> etc.. What John is doing is far less offensive. I would recommend
>> that rather than waste time and become frustrated trying to get an ISP
>> to do anything, simply killfile any poster you wish to neither hear
>> from nor converse with.
>

The ISP will NOT do anything about it, pure and simple.. I WILL say it
again, killfile it if you do not want to see it... For me, I simply
haven't had the time to read any of them, I just select those items that
interest me.. and ignore the rest.. The signal to noise ratio in this
group is better by a magnitude than most...

The fact of the matter is, you can choose to get yourself cranked up,
angry, frustrated, trying to control or manage something you have no
control over.. or simply killfile it, never see it, and go on with your
life, oblivious to his existence.. John, apparently is here to stay, and
there is little you can say or do to change his behavior..

If you wish to have the ability to control who enters this forum, or
what is posted here, simply take the forum to a privately hosted place
and run it.. The days of moderated Usenet died long ago, about the same
time the Internet was no longer the sole realm for us older geeks with
shell accounts, command lines, Archie, Veronica, and Gopher, and dial up
modems.... It's a lawless web out there..

There is plenty in life to stress about, why deliberately choose to add
to that stress?

Peace..

I move that we nominate Navas as the "Benevolent Newsgoup Troll". Maybe if
he has an official position he will cease his childish antics. Does anyone
second the motion?

Jar-Jar


"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>and a LONG history of protest against it. Perhaps, if we are really
>>>lucky,
>>>AT&T will warn him to cease and desist, but I am not holding my breath.
>>
>> You are just being an abusive.
>> Hypocrisy, thy name is Thomas T. Veldhouse.
>>
>
> I am being abusive? How? By asking you to stop posting the invalid
> charter.
> You refuse. I post more assertively, this time with contact information
> for
> others to directly ask you to cease and desist. You still refuse. In
> fact,
> you bargain with people here and use your abuse as leverage indicating
> that if
> people quit debating you on certain subjects then you will quit posting
> the
> invalid charter. So, in fact, you ADMIT that you post an invalid charter
> and
> only continue to post it because you didn't get your way.
>
> I am sorry, but it is YOU that has abused this group. I have simply tried
> to
> get you to stop.
>
> --
> Thomas T. Veldhouse
>
> In the land of the dark the Ship of the Sun is driven by the Grateful
> Dead.
> -- Egyptian Book of the Dead

Tony <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> There is plenty in life to stress about, why deliberately choose to add
> to that stress?

I don't know. Ask John Novas.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

In the land of the dark the Ship of the Sun is driven by the Grateful Dead.
-- Egyptian Book of the Dead

Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> Tony <[email protected]> wrote:
>> There is plenty in life to stress about, why deliberately choose to add
>> to that stress?
>
> I don't know. Ask John Novas.
>

When I first read this, I thought 'what a childish attitude this is'..
It is hardly worthy of being responded to..

John Navas has 'zero' control of your actions, attitudes, and life..
which is the same amount of control, which you have found to be true,
you have on his..

John is not deliberately adding any stress to your life, by letting his
actions control you , YOU are making the decision to add to the stress..
This whole situation is hardly worth the angst it is causing anyone
here, it borders on Elementary School Playground garbage..

Ignore him, if you like.. Walk away.. Do not engage him in
conversation.. Kill file him, filter it.. When one method is doomed to
failure (emails to abuse@*.*), simply change your course and find
another solution..

I haven't really counted the numbers of messages posted by John, or the
even bothered to read this grossly offensive charter people are up in
arms about, but the complaining about him seems to be making up more
noise in this forum that any of those posts..

With that having been said, I am done, I had responded in this thread
with the sincere intention to help you solve your problem, instead it is
obvious you really have no desire to solve it, and seem to enjoy
complaining.. Any more messages about this, the authors will find
themselves in my killfile.. This is just childish..


Thank You..

Next.

"Tony" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>> Tony <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> There is plenty in life to stress about, why deliberately choose to add
>>> to that stress?
>>
>> I don't know. Ask John Novas.
>>
>
> When I first read this, I thought 'what a childish attitude this is'.. It
> is hardly worthy of being responded to..
>
> John Navas has 'zero' control of your actions, attitudes, and life.. which
> is the same amount of control, which you have found to be true, you have
> on his..
>
> John is not deliberately adding any stress to your life, by letting his
> actions control you , YOU are making the decision to add to the stress..
> This whole situation is hardly worth the angst it is causing anyone here,
> it borders on Elementary School Playground garbage..
>
> Ignore him, if you like.. Walk away.. Do not engage him in conversation..
> Kill file him, filter it.. When one method is doomed to failure (emails to
> abuse@*.*), simply change your course and find another solution..
>
> I haven't really counted the numbers of messages posted by John, or the
> even bothered to read this grossly offensive charter people are up in arms
> about, but the complaining about him seems to be making up more noise in
> this forum that any of those posts..
>
> With that having been said, I am done, I had responded in this thread with
> the sincere intention to help you solve your problem, instead it is
> obvious you really have no desire to solve it, and seem to enjoy
> complaining.. Any more messages about this, the authors will find
> themselves in my killfile.. This is just childish..
>
>
> Thank You..
>
>
>
>
>

Tony <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Ignore him, if you like.. Walk away.. Do not engage him in
> conversation.. Kill file him, filter it.. When one method is doomed to
> failure (emails to abuse@*.*), simply change your course and find
> another solution..
>

Since neither John's or my view on this matter seems to be of any concern to
you and since you feel strongly enough about having to read this, why don't
you follow your own advice? I am asking an honest question, not a sarcastic
one.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

In the land of the dark the Ship of the Sun is driven by the Grateful Dead.
-- Egyptian Book of the Dead

P.Schuman wrote:
> I forgot ... where are the newsgroup charters stored,
> along with the New Group announcements...
>
> BTW - I seem to recall years ago when ATT Wireless came alive,
> I may have actually asked for the newsgroup to be created on the ISP
> I was using at the time,
> and I think they may have just issued a Create for it.

and it's hard to say which newsgroup names are valid after the years of
change
from ATTWS & Cell One & Cingular
just like over at VoiceStream & T-Mobile

In alt.cellular.attws P.Schuman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> and it's hard to say which newsgroup names are valid after the years of
> change
> from ATTWS & Cell One & Cingular
> just like over at VoiceStream & T-Mobile
>
>

T-Mobile is the superset of all its predecessors and is the only remaining
entity. No problem there.

AT&T is the superset of all its predecessors, including Cingular, no problem
there either. The only difference here is that people have adopted
alt.cellular.attws as the group of choice, which was technically created for
AT&T Wireless, but, since there is no charter, was easily migrated to be for
Wireless by AT&T. In either case, alt.cellular.attws makes FAR more sense
than alt.cellular.cingular.

Just my 2 cents worth ... but at one time, a couple of silver pennies could
buy an aweful lot.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

In the land of the dark the Ship of the Sun is driven by the Grateful Dead.
-- Egyptian Book of the Dead