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  1. #1
    SMS
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    4phun wrote:
    > T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
    > Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
    >
    > Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
    > unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
    > announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
    > $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
    > 21.
    >
    > from T-Mobile
    >
    > The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.


    It's unlimited voice and messaging, not voice and data. You need to
    understand the difference.

    T-Mobile offers unlimited "voice and messaging" not data. Since they
    don't have a data network in the U.S., they don't have to worry about
    their network being overwhelmed.

    Sprint is now the only carrier without an unlimited plan. If they really
    want to trump the competition then they could offer a true unlimited
    voice _and_ data plan. Unlikely since the reason AT&T and Verizon have
    capped their data plans is because the 3G networks don't have sufficient
    capacity for such plans. At $60/month for true unlimited data, a lot of
    DSL users might be tempted to use 3G as their primary Internet connection.



    See More: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting2/21/08




  2. #2
    John Navas
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    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting 2/21/08

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:56:03 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >4phun wrote:
    >> T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
    >> Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
    >>
    >> Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
    >> unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
    >> announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
    >> $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
    >> 21.
    >>
    >> from T-Mobile
    >>
    >> The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

    >
    >It's unlimited voice and messaging, not voice and data. You need to
    >understand the difference.
    >
    >T-Mobile offers unlimited "voice and messaging" not data. Since they
    >don't have a data network in the U.S., they don't have to worry about
    >their network being overwhelmed.


    T-Mobile most certainly does have a data network in the USA.

    >Sprint is now the only carrier without an unlimited plan.


    Sprint actually has an unlimited plan in trial.

    >If they really
    >want to trump the competition then they could offer a true unlimited
    >voice _and_ data plan. Unlikely since the reason AT&T and Verizon have
    >capped their data plans is because the 3G networks don't have sufficient
    >capacity for such plans.


    Total nonsense.

    >At $60/month for true unlimited data, a lot of
    >DSL users might be tempted to use 3G as their primary Internet connection.


    Such abuse is the reason for capping.

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    John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com>

    "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford



  3. #3
    SMS
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    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting2/21/08

    4phun wrote:
    > T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
    > Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
    >
    > Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
    > unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
    > announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
    > $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
    > 21.
    >
    > from T-Mobile
    >
    > The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.


    Analysts say Sprint will offer unlimited voice and messaging for between
    $60 and $80 in the next few weeks. If Sprint went one further, and
    offered unlimited voice and (relatively) unlimited 3G data for $100,
    that would really shake things up. What does Sprint have to lose at this
    point?



  4. #4
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting 2/21/08

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:46:50 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >4phun wrote:
    >> T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
    >> Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
    >>
    >> Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
    >> unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
    >> announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
    >> $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
    >> 21.
    >>
    >> from T-Mobile
    >>
    >> The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

    >
    >Analysts say Sprint will offer unlimited voice and messaging for between
    >$60 and $80 in the next few weeks.


    Citation? Oh wait ... you almost never have any ... you mostly just
    make stuff up.

    >If Sprint went one further, and
    >offered unlimited voice and (relatively) unlimited 3G data for $100,
    >that would really shake things up. What does Sprint have to lose at this
    >point?


    It's ass. That would make no sense at all.

    --
    Best regards,
    John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com>

    "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford



  5. #5
    Todd H.
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting 2/21/08

    John Navas <[email protected]> writes:

    > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:46:50 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    > wrote in <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>4phun wrote:
    >>> T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
    >>> Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
    >>>
    >>> Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
    >>> unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
    >>> announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
    >>> $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
    >>> 21.
    >>>
    >>> from T-Mobile
    >>>
    >>> The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

    >>
    >>Analysts say Sprint will offer unlimited voice and messaging for between
    >>$60 and $80 in the next few weeks.

    >
    > Citation? Oh wait ... you almost never have any ... you mostly just
    > make stuff up.


    John, only you would set a followup to alt.cellular.cingular on a post
    that has to do with multiple carriers pricing. :-)

    As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
    over the headline:

    http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top


    --
    Todd H.
    http://toddh.net/



  6. #6
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting2/21/08

    Todd H. wrote:

    > As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
    > over the headline:
    >
    > http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top


    Actually I saw the "$60-80" from
    "http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/02/20/ap4676170.html"

    It's always amusing to see "he who must not be named" demanding
    citations for widely disseminated news stories, while at the same time
    never providing citations for any of the claims he makes up, and never
    providing any factual basis for disputing any of the citations that
    others make.

    He's never provided a citation for extended GSM, despite repeated requests.

    He's never provided a citation disputing the accuracy of the network
    quality surveys, despite repeated requests.

    He's never provided a citation disputing the USA Today story that Apple
    approached Verizon with the iPhone prior to going to Cingular/AT&T,
    despite repeated requests.

    He complains that people treat him badly, but if he would change his
    behavior he would be forgiven and perhaps he could make some useful
    contributions.




  7. #7
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting 2/21/08

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
    >over the headline:


    Thanks for the insult.

    >http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top


    Thanks for that.

    --
    Best regards,
    John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com>

    "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford



  8. #8
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting 2/21/08

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:33:13 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Todd H. wrote:
    >
    >> As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
    >> over the headline:
    >>
    >> http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top

    >
    >Actually I saw the "$60-80" from
    >"http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/02/20/ap4676170.html"
    >
    >It's always amusing to see "he who must not be named" demanding
    >citations for widely disseminated news stories, while at the same time
    >never providing citations for any of the claims he makes up, and never
    >providing any factual basis for disputing any of the citations that
    >others make.


    Total nonsense.

    >He's never provided a citation for extended GSM, despite repeated requests.


    Actually several of them.

    >He's never provided a citation disputing the accuracy of the network
    >quality surveys, despite repeated requests.


    Actually several of them.

    >He's never provided a citation disputing the USA Today story that Apple
    >approached Verizon with the iPhone prior to going to Cingular/AT&T,
    >despite repeated requests.


    There's no need to refute spin solely from Verizon.
    The other companies don't comment.

    >He complains that people treat him badly, but if he would change his
    >behavior he would be forgiven and perhaps he could make some useful
    >contributions.


    Total nonsense.

    --
    Best regards,
    John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com>

    "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford



  9. #9
    Todd H.
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting 2/21/08

    John Navas <[email protected]> writes:

    > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
    >>over the headline:

    >
    > Thanks for the insult.


    It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.

    Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
    yourself, and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"

    >>http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top



    --
    Todd H.
    http://toddh.net/



  10. #10
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting 2/21/08

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:01:34 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >John Navas <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    >> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
    >> <[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>>As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
    >>>over the headline:

    >>
    >> Thanks for the insult.

    >
    >It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.


    It looked like an insult to me, and still does. I've been to several
    news sites today, and didn't see anything on this until now. If I had,
    then I would not have asked.

    >Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
    >yourself,


    In fact I probably post more links than anyone else here. I just don't
    post them over and over.

    and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"

    I'm not interested in a potential wild goose chase, having been sent on
    too many of those already.

    --
    Best regards,
    John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com>

    "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford



  11. #11
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting2/21/08

    Todd H. wrote:
    > John Navas <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    >> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
    >> <[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>> As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
    >>> over the headline:

    >> Thanks for the insult.

    >
    > It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.
    >
    > Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
    > yourself, and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"


    For such a widely publicized and current news item I didn't see the need
    to include a link, but "he who must not be named" isn't happy unless he
    has something to complain about. Yet he rarely includes any citations on
    anything he posts because when you make up stuff out of thin air it's
    tough to find any citations to back you up.



  12. #12
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting2/21/08

    Todd H. wrote:
    > John Navas <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    >> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
    >> <[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>> As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
    >>> over the headline:

    >> Thanks for the insult.

    >
    > It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.
    > Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
    > yourself, and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"


    For such a widely publicized and current news item I didn't see the need
    to include a link, but "he who must not be named" isn't happy unless he
    has something to complain about. Yet he rarely includes any citations on
    anything he posts because when you make up stuff out of thin air it's
    tough to find any citations to back you up.


    BTW, watch out for the latest crap from "he who must not be named,"
    which is changing the newsgroups to where follow-up posts are directed
    to include alt.cellular.cingular, a newsgroup for which there is no
    corresponding carrier, while removing newsgroups that are actually
    relevant. Pathetic and sad.



  13. #13
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting 2/21/08

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:33:13 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Todd H. wrote:
    >
    >> As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
    >> over the headline:
    >>
    >> http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top

    >
    >Actually I saw the "$60-80" from
    >"http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/02/20/ap4676170.html"



    These stories are nothing more than analyst *speculation* -- nobody
    knows what Sprint will do, maybe not yet even Sprint -- only time will
    tell.

    --
    Best regards,
    John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com>

    "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford



  14. #14
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting 2/21/08

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:56:44 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Todd H. wrote:
    >> John Navas <[email protected]> writes:
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
    >>> <[email protected]>:
    >>>
    >>>> As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
    >>>> over the headline:
    >>> Thanks for the insult.

    >>
    >> It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.
    >>
    >> Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
    >> yourself, and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"

    >
    >For such a widely publicized and current news item I didn't see the need
    >to include a link, but "he who must not be named" isn't happy unless he
    >has something to complain about. Yet he rarely includes any citations on
    >anything he posts because when you make up stuff out of thin air it's
    >tough to find any citations to back you up.


    That would be you, Steven, as your own admission (lame excuse) makes
    clear.

    --
    Best regards,
    John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com>

    "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford



  15. #15
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting 2/21/08

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:25:50 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >BTW, watch out for the latest crap from "he who must not be named,"
    >which is changing the newsgroups to where follow-up posts are directed
    >to include alt.cellular.cingular, a newsgroup for which there is no
    >corresponding carrier, while removing newsgroups that are actually
    >relevant. Pathetic and sad.


    Just taking a page out of your book, Steven.
    You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

    --
    Best regards,
    John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com>

    "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford



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