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  1. #1
    iPhone News
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    A new logging feature has been found in the iPhone firmware 1.2 beta
    that tracks and stores the physichal location of the iPhone based on
    cell tower triangulation and Wi-Fi longitude/latitude data, making it
    possible to not only know where you are, but where you have been.



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  2. #2
    Larry
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)

    iPhone News <[email protected]> wrote in news:invalid-
    [email protected]:

    > A new logging feature has been found in the iPhone firmware 1.2 beta
    > that tracks and stores the physichal location of the iPhone based on
    > cell tower triangulation and Wi-Fi longitude/latitude data, making it
    > possible to not only know where you are, but where you have been.


    http://dtrask.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/vcsmapper.png
    Here's what you look like on the N800's Maemo Mapper. The poster didn't
    have his position and trail onscreen from the little Bluetooth GPS so he
    may not have one. Your position, in motion, looks like a blue dot with a
    line pointing out of it showing your course. Behind the dot will be a red
    trail going back since the last time you cleared it, ad nauseum. See the
    lanes on those roads with the white line down the middle? The GPS position
    puts you in the proper lane you are in and the trail is so accurate you can
    see yourself making lane changes exactly where did. If you have a good 3D
    fix, when you pull into a parking space at the mall, your blue dot is
    exactly in the space you are occupying. If you take the tablet with you
    into the mall, you can easily find your car by booting Maemo mapper on the
    way out because you left the GPS in the car so the trail doesn't trail you
    into the mall...showing you exactly where the car is located when you come
    out. Parking lot range with the GPS in the window to the tablet in your
    hand is well over 50 ft for updates.....incase someone moved your car while
    you were gone.

    This picture looks like Google Earth. I use Virtual Earth's COMPOSITE
    OVERLAY on my Maemo Mapper. That overlays the street map over the
    satellite photos and they both update, automatically, over the EVDO data
    link from Alltel on the road, in motion....

    What's the iPhone display look like without GPS accuracy? "Somewhere in
    the shaded area"??




  3. #3
    Larry
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)

    iPhone News <[email protected]> wrote in news:invalid-
    [email protected]:

    > A new logging feature has been found in the iPhone firmware 1.2 beta
    > that tracks and stores the physichal location of the iPhone based on
    > cell tower triangulation and Wi-Fi longitude/latitude data, making it
    > possible to not only know where you are, but where you have been.


    Here's thoughtfix taking a hike from the parking lot to a geocaching site
    looking for the prize.

    http://bp3.blogger.com/_Ki_XGZxWsq4/...AAAAABmQ/CE5C-
    mmMPRw/s1600-h/screenshot07.png

    Geocaching's great fun. Setting up Geocaching is even more fun...(c;




  4. #4
    Thurman
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)


    "iPhone News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >A new logging feature has been found in the iPhone firmware 1.2 beta
    > that tracks and stores the physichal location of the iPhone based on
    > cell tower triangulation and Wi-Fi longitude/latitude data, making it
    > possible to not only know where you are, but where you have been.


    Which, essentially, is what some e911 services have been doing since June
    2003.





  5. #5
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)

    At 19 Mar 2008 17:08:17 -0500 Thurman wrote:
    >


    > Which, essentially, is what some e911 services have been doing since June
    > 2003.


    Not with WiFi, though, at least not the cell carriers.

    However, this outfit has done it for awhile :
    http://www.navizon.com. They sell software that lets Wi-Fi enabled phones
    without GPS use cell tower and WiFi AP location simulate an onboard GPS.

    They get the data by "buying it" from WiFi and GPS enabled phone users.
    You install their logging software turn on your GPS and WiFi and it
    calculates tower and AP coordinates frand uploads them to their servers,
    crediting you with points. Every 1000 cell towers or 5000 APs logged (or
    weighted combination) earns you $20 deposited in your PayPal account.
    Navizon essentially paid for my BT GPS module while I was on vacation last
    summer. (My most prolific logging earned me $20 in one day's walking and
    driving through Manhattan! There are a LOT of WiFi APs in the city that
    never sleeps!)





  6. #6
    Thurman
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)


    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > At 19 Mar 2008 17:08:17 -0500 Thurman wrote:
    >>

    >
    >> Which, essentially, is what some e911 services have been doing since June
    >> 2003.

    >
    > Not with WiFi, though, at least not the cell carriers.
    >
    > However, this outfit has done it for awhile :
    > http://www.navizon.com. They sell software that lets Wi-Fi enabled phones
    > without GPS use cell tower and WiFi AP location simulate an onboard GPS.
    >
    > They get the data by "buying it" from WiFi and GPS enabled phone users.
    > You install their logging software turn on your GPS and WiFi and it
    > calculates tower and AP coordinates frand uploads them to their servers,
    > crediting you with points.


    In what little I have seen of the Google project, Google claims to use the
    tower horn ID and signal strength. Google reportedly is fine-tuning the
    process to using it to find advertisers in your vicinity. Even with the
    update released yesterday, location is varying from 100 to 1700 meters.

    A database of GPS locations by Wi-Fi would seem to be more accurate because
    of the smaller footprint of the Wi-Fi broadcast.

    When location by Wi-Fi was first invented by the kid that was in high
    school, I was ready to assist. But when he went to college, he got smarter
    by devising the basic plan of what you stated above. I was about to
    contribute when I realized the packets recorded contained the Wi-Fi IP
    usually associated with a merchant, the cellular tower horn ID and your cell
    number. Your proximity track is worth money to the spammers.

    That Hispanic spam generator in Florida is blanketing cell phones with
    messages only in Spanish to everyone regardless of what it cost the cell
    user. Complaints so far, fall on deaf ears.

    As a point of interest, a lipstick size GPS should be released within the
    next 90 days to retail from a MSRP of ~$80 USD.At least Google allows direct
    entry of decimal co-ordinates.





  7. #7
    Tom Payne
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)

    Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

    > What's the iPhone display look like without GPS accuracy? "Somewhere in
    > the shaded area"??


    It looks pretty much the same as the example you have provided. But full
    blown GPS in a tool like the iPhone is impractical at this point and
    will soon be obsolete. Too much room and too much drain on the battery.
    Besides almost all new cars have GPS and portable units are so cheap
    there will be no need to have one on your phone. I think Apple is ahead
    of the curve by not pursuing this feature.



  8. #8
    Larry
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)

    Tom Payne <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> What's the iPhone display look like without GPS accuracy? "Somewhere
    >> in the shaded area"??

    >
    > It looks pretty much the same as the example you have provided. But
    > full blown GPS in a tool like the iPhone is impractical at this point
    > and will soon be obsolete. Too much room and too much drain on the
    > battery. Besides almost all new cars have GPS and portable units are
    > so cheap there will be no need to have one on your phone. I think
    > Apple is ahead of the curve by not pursuing this feature.
    >


    Tom, you should be working for Hillary Clinton! What a spinmeister!

    There's no way in hell the iPhone with this crapware is going to place you
    at a point in the lane of a road or in a certain parking space. It might
    be able to place you at the whole mall, about that area.

    http://www.nokiausa.com/A4630703
    If they had any brains, they'd use an external Bluetooth device like the
    LD-3W tiny GPS receiver I'm using with the N800 tablet. It's tiny,
    REPLACEABLE, STANDARD, Nokia sellphone battery runs 22 hours of CONTINUOUS
    use on a charge, and recharges in 3 hours for tomorrow. In standby, with
    no bluetooth connection, it will standby for 7 days. It runs all the time
    in my car, 24/7, and I charge it once a week, either from the car or the
    N800's charger in the house (same STANDARD Nokia power supply their phones
    use). A Bluetooth pairing turns it on.

    Who told you GPS is obsolete? They need some re-education. GPS navigates
    every plane and ship on the planet!

    LD-3W is what the iphone needs for nav....even comes with commercial Nav
    software, since Nokia just went and bought Navicore, Inc.




  9. #9
    Tom Payne
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)

    Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Who told you GPS is obsolete? They need some re-education. GPS navigates
    > every plane and ship on the planet!


    I was speaking of putting GPS on cell phones as being obsolete. As I
    stated, with GPS now on just about every car and portable units so cheap
    there is no reason to have one on your phone.



  10. #10
    Larry
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)

    Tom Payne <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Who told you GPS is obsolete? They need some re-education. GPS
    >> navigates every plane and ship on the planet!

    >
    > I was speaking of putting GPS on cell phones as being obsolete. As I
    > stated, with GPS now on just about every car and portable units so
    > cheap there is no reason to have one on your phone.
    >


    They just started putting GPS chips in sellphones so the DEA can track you.

    Unfortunately, because it's a SELLphone, you are not allowed to USE the GPS
    you paid for....another stupid carrier decision.




  11. #11
    News
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)



    Larry wrote:

    > Tom Payne <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    >
    >>Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Who told you GPS is obsolete? They need some re-education. GPS
    >>>navigates every plane and ship on the planet!

    >>
    >>I was speaking of putting GPS on cell phones as being obsolete. As I
    >>stated, with GPS now on just about every car and portable units so
    >>cheap there is no reason to have one on your phone.
    >>

    >
    >
    > They just started putting GPS chips in sellphones so the DEA can track you.
    >
    > Unfortunately, because it's a SELLphone, you are not allowed to USE the GPS
    > you paid for....another stupid carrier decision.
    >


    Does not apply to many HP iPaqs that support/display native A-GPS.



  12. #12
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)

    At 20 Mar 2008 09:13:49 -0400 Tom Payne wrote:

    > Besides almost all new cars have GPS and portable units are so cheap
    > there will be no need to have one on your phone. I think Apple is ahead
    > of the curve by not pursuing this feature.


    There's nothing like Oxlogic.

    And if we soon evolve into pointy headed creatures with a single antennae
    to receive sound instead of two ears, Apple will have been "ahead of the
    curve" by "not pursuing" stereo bluetooth headphone support as well... ;-)






  13. #13
    Larry
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)

    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > At 20 Mar 2008 09:13:49 -0400 Tom Payne wrote:
    >
    >> Besides almost all new cars have GPS and portable units are so cheap
    >> there will be no need to have one on your phone. I think Apple is
    >> ahead of the curve by not pursuing this feature.

    >
    > There's nothing like Oxlogic.
    >
    > And if we soon evolve into pointy headed creatures with a single
    > antennae to receive sound instead of two ears, Apple will have been
    > "ahead of the curve" by "not pursuing" stereo bluetooth headphone
    > support as well... ;-)
    >
    >


    I like my Motorola S9 BT stereo headset so much, I solved this lack-of-
    BT problem for all my old audio devices:

    http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/produ...834&WT.mc_n=67
    &WT.mc_t=U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%
    20SHOPPING&cm_cat=PRICEGRABBER&cm_pla=DATAFEED-%3EPRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%
    20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=67

    Sorry about the wordwrap...(d^

    Print this page out and take it to Best Buy with you. Those bastards
    want $79 for it, even though this is discontinued by Sony. Buy it on
    your credit card. Walk from the cash register to the service desk, whip
    out your printout and invoke the Best Buy "Price minus 15%" guarantee,
    bringing your price down to $42.46 + tax. She'll credit you the
    difference to your credit card.....saving you even more money than CC
    wants for discontinued stock. BB doesn't have to know CC doesn't carry
    it in the store up the street. It's in the CC warehouse under "stuff to
    dump that's obsolete" $42 and no shipping charges...not a bad "best
    buy"...(c;

    This tiny Sony transmitter must not have sold well at $80, even though
    it's BT, really tiny and is Li-Ion powered with a drop-in charging stand
    in 3 hours from dead. I left mine paired and playing to see how long it
    would run because my Li-Ion was so old it was dead-as-a-doorknob and I
    figured it was toast when I got it. It recharged right back up and its
    capacity returned after a few recharge cycles, just like Sony said it
    would. Specs say 11 continuous hours of BT paired play. Mine runs
    almost 14 to the S9! Range to the S9 with the tiny transmitter clipped
    to my carrying case is about 50' not 30 to BT specs. Playing in the
    center of the house, I can wear the phones anywhere and it still plays,
    DEAD QUIET with no background noise at all from the N800 tablet's
    standard stereo headphone jack. Hitting it hard with audio doesn't seem
    to distort it, either. I use the volume control on the S9 by my left
    ear to adjust volume.

    It only pairs with devices who use 0000 for the pairing code, so make
    sure your headphones can use 0000 before you try it. Works great on all
    stereo headphone jacks in the house from the old stereo to the old
    Archos Studio 20MB MP3 player to my favorite Xclef 120GB portable MP3
    player, my N800 tablet and all. Bluetooth audio is FAR better than the
    noisy damned analog FM transmitters I just gave away...(c;

    Tiger Direct has the $129.95 Motorola S9 BT headset/sellphone handsfree
    for $49.95! That's really cheap!

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...m-Details.asp?
    EdpNo=3581351&sku=M151-2310&SRCCODE=WEBGOOGSM&CMP=KNC-GOOGL

    Sorry about the wordwrapping...dammit.

    The S9 is paired for sellphone use with my Motorola Z6m toyphone. If
    you go into the toyphone's BT control panel and shut down the A2DP
    pairing so the phone doesn't hog the stereo away from the Sony
    transmitter, you can pair BOTH the Sony for stereo and the Sellphone for
    answering calls, simultaneously, which is really neat. When a call
    comes in, or you press the call button to voice-activate a Sellphone
    call, the audio from the stereo is muted until the call hangs up, then
    resumes as before....just the way it should. UNfortunately, Motorola
    got lazy and didn't hook the Sellphone calls to BOTH earphones, so you
    only get phone calls in your left ear, which I think is a screwup. The
    new S9 model may be different. Hey, it's ONLY $49, you know!

    Well, if anyone's interested, it works great, here...best I've ever
    found. Now it doesn't matter if this device or that device is A2DP
    compatible. As long as it has a mini headphone jack, I gotcha
    covered...(c;

    .......even on iPhoneys!




  14. #14
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)

    At 20 Mar 2008 14:57:09 -0400 Tom Payne wrote:

    > I was speaking of putting GPS on cell phones as being obsolete. As I
    > stated, with GPS now on just about every car and portable units so cheap
    > there is no reason to have one on your phone.



    Same is true of MP3 players, yet that's the iPhone's main feature.

    And, if you recall the early iPhone commercials, Google Maps was/is a
    leading feature as well. Google Maps without GPS is like YouTube with
    still images.






  15. #15
    Tom Payne
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    Re: new logging feature found (iPhone)

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Same is true of MP3 players, yet that's the iPhone's main feature.


    Incorrect. The main feature of the iPhone is its WiFi feature.

    > And, if you recall the early iPhone commercials, Google Maps was/is a
    > leading feature as well. Google Maps without GPS is like YouTube with
    > still images.


    It is MUCH more than Google maps. Assuming that you are not just a shill
    for a certain competing cell phone manufacturer, I'd suggest you read up
    on the iPhones features before making such foolish comments.



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