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  1. #1
    4phun
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    VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client

    Well it looks like leading VoIP provider fring has managed to beat out
    the competition by launching the first ever VoIP application for the
    iPhone.

    fring says that their natively installed VoIP client for the iPhone is
    a "special pre-release R&D version of fring" created in conjunction
    with the Holon Institute of Technology academic research labs.

    Add http://fring.com/iphone.xml to your iPhone installer to get it.



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  2. #2
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client


    "4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:af87b690-27bf-413a-b27f-ca7027d2476f@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
    > VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client
    >
    > Well it looks like leading VoIP provider fring has managed to beat out
    > the competition by launching the first ever VoIP application for the
    > iPhone.


    "Leading VoIP provider?"

    Fring's app is actually pretty cool, since it integrates multiple VoIP
    providers in one client- you can do Skype, Google Talk, several IM services
    and even a "real" VoIP SIP service.

    In addition, Fring uses their own server and low-bandwidth codec, so many
    people are able to use it over EDGE as well as WiFi. The only real downside
    of Fring is it's absolutely p*ss-poor UI, since it's designed for
    non-touchscreen phones (and doesn't even have a dialer- it's "contacts"
    based.) Hopefully the iPhone version will correct those shortcomings.

    While the Fring service itself is not particularly popular, if you can only
    have one VoIP app available, it might as well be Fring's, given that
    versatility.

    (While the webpage blurb about the iPhone version doesn't list all of the
    usual Fring features, I suspect they'll be added eventually, since the
    "pre-release" version is called a "lite" version.)






  3. #3
    Larry
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    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client

    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > "Leading VoIP provider?"
    >
    > Fring's app is actually pretty cool, since it integrates multiple VoIP
    > providers in one client- you can do Skype, Google Talk, several IM
    > services and even a "real" VoIP SIP service.
    >
    > In addition, Fring uses their own server and low-bandwidth codec, so
    > many people are able to use it over EDGE as well as WiFi. The only
    > real downside of Fring is it's absolutely p*ss-poor UI, since it's
    > designed for non-touchscreen phones (and doesn't even have a dialer-
    > it's "contacts" based.) Hopefully the iPhone version will correct
    > those shortcomings.
    >
    > While the Fring service itself is not particularly popular, if you can
    > only have one VoIP app available, it might as well be Fring's, given
    > that versatility.
    >
    > (While the webpage blurb about the iPhone version doesn't list all of
    > the usual Fring features, I suspect they'll be added eventually, since
    > the "pre-release" version is called a "lite" version.)
    >
    >
    >


    Will it talk to Gizmo and Skype on the Iphone? That would be very
    interesting......

    Silly hackers automated switching the Linux tablet's USB port to OTB or
    Peripheral or Host. Simple prog boots, touch a button, bingo.

    My tablet is playing DivX off a 1 terabyte Western Digital USB drive in
    Host mode as I type this! The tiny USB port on the tablet doesn't
    deliver enough power to run a laptop USB drive, so you use a USB hub to
    add power. That works, too, on my 250GB laptop USB drive.

    I'm not sure how many terabytes an N800 supports. It supports 1TB just
    fine. So, now you just plug your massive hard drive into the USB port
    in Host mode and use one of the tablet's file managers to copy to the
    16GB SD cards....freeing your mainframe for more important stuff, like
    downloading...(c;

    I wanna see iPhone's new Voip rendering Gizmo and Googletalk
    Video....from the Linux tablets would be fun...(c;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIiP7...eature=related
    KDE looks cool on the tablet, too!



  4. #4
    4phun
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIPclient

    Larry if you are going to tote all that crap around, why don't you
    just carry a desktop PC in a box to the Waffle house to impress those
    toothless waitresses? That is a big difference from dropping an
    oversized credit card device with a decent clear screen into your
    pocket or clipping it to your belt like an iPhone.

    Y0u can not get a Nokia 800 into a normal shirt pocket can y0u, Larry?
    Which pocket do you carry your normal cell phone in to make phone
    calls? How many useful pockets do you have Larry left after you
    secrete all this stuff on your person?

    Where do you carry your gun and ammo? Are you another one of BHO's
    bitter ones?

    Larry wrote:
    > "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    > > "Leading VoIP provider?"
    > >
    > > Fring's app is actually pretty cool, since it integrates multiple VoIP
    > > providers in one client- you can do Skype, Google Talk, several IM
    > > services and even a "real" VoIP SIP service.
    > >
    > > In addition, Fring uses their own server and low-bandwidth codec, so
    > > many people are able to use it over EDGE as well as WiFi. The only
    > > real downside of Fring is it's absolutely p*ss-poor UI, since it's
    > > designed for non-touchscreen phones (and doesn't even have a dialer-
    > > it's "contacts" based.) Hopefully the iPhone version will correct
    > > those shortcomings.
    > >
    > > While the Fring service itself is not particularly popular, if you can
    > > only have one VoIP app available, it might as well be Fring's, given
    > > that versatility.
    > >
    > > (While the webpage blurb about the iPhone version doesn't list all of
    > > the usual Fring features, I suspect they'll be added eventually, since
    > > the "pre-release" version is called a "lite" version.)
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Will it talk to Gizmo and Skype on the Iphone? That would be very
    > interesting......
    >
    > Silly hackers automated switching the Linux tablet's USB port to OTB or
    > Peripheral or Host. Simple prog boots, touch a button, bingo.
    >
    > My tablet is playing DivX off a 1 terabyte Western Digital USB drive in
    > Host mode as I type this! The tiny USB port on the tablet doesn't
    > deliver enough power to run a laptop USB drive, so you use a USB hub to
    > add power. That works, too, on my 250GB laptop USB drive.
    >
    > I'm not sure how many terabytes an N800 supports. It supports 1TB just
    > fine. So, now you just plug your massive hard drive into the USB port
    > in Host mode and use one of the tablet's file managers to copy to the
    > 16GB SD cards....freeing your mainframe for more important stuff, like
    > downloading...(c;
    >
    > I wanna see iPhone's new Voip rendering Gizmo and Googletalk
    > Video....from the Linux tablets would be fun...(c;
    >
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIiP7...eature=related
    > KDE looks cool on the tablet, too!




  5. #5
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client

    4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:acab1e0f-b850-4a98-8e44-
    [email protected]:

    > Larry if you are going to tote all that crap around


    What a silly stand. It all fits in a PSP game case.

    Next deflection.

    I'm headed out to Compuzone this morning. Best Buy didn't have a USB
    gender changer last night, and I want to get the changer so I can plug
    disk drives, keyboards, my little Canon laptop printer into the now-
    switchable-to-OTG and Host mode little camera USB port on the N800.
    http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbcontrol/

    Plug the 1TB USB drive into the tablet.
    Copy the movies and music off onto the two 16GB SD cards.
    .....and you're ready to cruise!

    We even have a new two-window File Manager with lots more capabilities
    than the "user file manager" the tablets come with to keep the user's
    fingers out of crashing Linux by hiding everything but his user files.
    http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/emelfm2/
    If you crash it all, you lose the game, but not the tablet. We just run
    the OS flasher from XP/Vista and the punishment is reinstallilng all the
    apps again because we didn't backup...(c;

    Of course, you'll need to see the movie, but don't try to look at it on
    your iPhone because it's Flash it won't play. Use your Mac.
    http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFi.../emel_overview
    ..html

    It even unpacks/unzips and installs apps. Way cool file manager.

    This app also shows you how great open source is because you can talk
    directly to the guy who wrote it and have input into what the app's next
    revision does, without being a programmer, yourself. Pipeline is the
    program's author:
    http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=18462
    Nothing like direct support, instead of one of those company clones in
    Bombay who hasn't a clue....





  6. #6
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIPclient

    Todd Allcock wrote:

    > While the Fring service itself is not particularly popular, if you can
    > only have one VoIP app available, it might as well be Fring's, given
    > that versatility.


    It's a good service, which has been available for Symbian and WinMo
    based handsets for a while. I agree with 4phun that it's about time they
    added the iPhone to their supported devices. However to call fring a
    leading VOIP provider is a stretch of the truth that only 4phun could
    manage!

    Note that fring only works on unlocked iPhones, "All you need to start
    enjoying the pre-release fring for iPhone is an “opened” iPhone with the
    Installer and a WiFi access." So for most users, unwilling to hack their
    iPhones, fring is not an option. For now, those that want VOIP on a
    mobile platform should stick with Symbian-based, or Win-Mo based devices.

    For the iPhone, until it catches up with the other mobile platforms in
    terms of capability, stick with something like Voicestick or OneSuite
    for low-cost per-minute VOIP worldwide long-distance, but you use up
    your peak minutes on your plan.

    I particularly like OneSuite's expansion of local access numbers onto
    other continents.



  7. #7
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client


    "4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:acab1e0f-b850-4a98-8e44-df9cc5a7d64d@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
    > Larry if you are going to tote all that crap around, why don't you
    > just carry a desktop PC in a box to the Waffle house to impress those
    > toothless waitresses? That is a big difference from dropping an
    > oversized credit card device with a decent clear screen into your
    > pocket or clipping it to your belt like an iPhone.


    I love the Apple Fanboy definition of a "brick"- any device even slightly
    larger than the Apple device they own.

    The Nokia is 5.6"x3"x0.7"- certainly larger than the iPhone's
    4.5"x2.4"x0.5", but not ridiculously so.

    Besides, to quote those Capital One commercials, "what's in YOUR wallet?" if
    you think 4.5x2.4 is "credit card sized?" I've always suspected you've
    never seen an N800 in person- now I'm doubting if you've ever seen a credit
    card either.

    This reminds me of the fanboys on CSMA who poo-pooed the MS Zune as being a
    "brick" because it was slightly larger (4.4x2.4x0.6) than a comparable iPod
    (4.1x2.4x0.4.) Ironically, of course, the freakishly giantic brick-like
    Zune is roughly the same height and width as an iPhone...

    Personally, I LIKE "bricks"- large screens, audible speakers, and reasonably
    useful controls are worth the tradeoff in size. My WinMo phone is too
    small- it's smaller than your iPhone in every dimension (except depth) and
    it suffers for it in screen real estate- it has a 2.8" screen vs. the
    iPhone's quasi-3.5" (I say "quasi" since the iPhone is a "widescreen" 3x2
    aspect screen, it's area is slightly smaller than, say, the 3.5" 4x3 screen
    on my old Dell Axim, so a straight diagonal size comparison isn't 100%
    accurate. The iPhone's screen is just a few millimeters wider than a 2.8"
    4x3, but significantly taller.)

    > Y0u can not get a Nokia 800 into a normal shirt pocket can y0u, Larry?



    Sure, if he uses David Byrne's tailor...

    http://www.howardism.org/thoughts/TalkingHeadsClip7.jpg






  8. #8
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client


    "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Todd Allcock wrote:
    >
    >> While the Fring service itself is not particularly popular, if you can
    >> only have one VoIP app available, it might as well be Fring's, given that
    >> versatility.

    >
    > It's a good service, which has been available for Symbian and WinMo based
    > handsets for a while. I agree with 4phun that it's about time they added
    > the iPhone to their supported devices. However to call fring a leading
    > VOIP provider is a stretch of the truth that only 4phun could manage!


    It's Apple Fanboy-speak. If Wendy's Hamburger restaurants offered free WiFi
    for iPhone users, they'd be the "leading fast food restaurant chain."

    > Note that fring only works on unlocked iPhones, "All you need to start
    > enjoying the pre-release fring for iPhone is an “opened” iPhone with the
    > Installer and a WiFi access." So for most users, unwilling to hack their
    > iPhones, fring is not an option.


    True, but that's a necessary evil to having this as a true VoIP app rather
    than a "Talkety" like dial-around service, which is more complicated, yet
    essentially no better, than using a calling card.

    > For now, those that want VOIP on a mobile platform should stick with
    > Symbian-based, or Win-Mo based devices.


    True, but frankly I doubt many people choose their phone based on what will
    work well with VoIP. Even if you travel overseas often, you could always
    tote a dedicated WiFi VoIP handset for those uses. VoIP on my mobile is a
    convenience for the few times I need it (it came in handy in Mexico a few
    months ago- $0.02/min. VoIP beat hell out of $1.49/min. roaming!) but I
    certainly didn't choose my phone solely based on VoIP capability. (But it's
    VoIP and remote terminal capabilities did allow me NOT to bring a laptop
    along.)

    > For the iPhone, until it catches up with the other mobile platforms in
    > terms of capability, stick with something like Voicestick or OneSuite for
    > low-cost per-minute VOIP worldwide long-distance, but you use up your peak
    > minutes on your plan.


    Which is fine domestically, but this will allow jailbroken iPhone users to
    call via WiFi overseas, reducing roaming charges or the need to deal with
    the hassle of local prepaid SIMs.

    > I particularly like OneSuite's expansion of local access numbers onto
    > other continents.


    Which is a great thing, particulary for those planning to use payphones or
    local SIMs, but if WiFi is available, VoIP is still preferable, IMO. For
    short trips, buying a $30 SIM to avoid $30 in roaming charges is a false
    economy. My week in Mexico, for example, was a vacation- even with
    practically-free VoIP I probably used less than 20 minutes of call time all
    week- I (briefly) returned a couple of important work calls and chatted a
    little with family. For high volume use, of course, a local SIM and call
    forwarding (from the US cellphone number to the local SIM via a VoIP like
    Voicestick) would've made more sense, but I wasn't anticipating any
    significant usage.







  9. #9
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIPclient

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    >
    > "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Todd Allcock wrote:
    >>
    >>> While the Fring service itself is not particularly popular, if you
    >>> can only have one VoIP app available, it might as well be Fring's,
    >>> given that versatility.

    >>
    >> It's a good service, which has been available for Symbian and WinMo
    >> based handsets for a while. I agree with 4phun that it's about time
    >> they added the iPhone to their supported devices. However to call
    >> fring a leading VOIP provider is a stretch of the truth that only
    >> 4phun could manage!

    >
    > It's Apple Fanboy-speak. If Wendy's Hamburger restaurants offered free
    > WiFi for iPhone users, they'd be the "leading fast food restaurant chain."
    >
    >> Note that fring only works on unlocked iPhones, "All you need to start
    >> enjoying the pre-release fring for iPhone is an “opened” iPhone with
    >> the Installer and a WiFi access." So for most users, unwilling to hack
    >> their iPhones, fring is not an option.

    >
    > True, but that's a necessary evil to having this as a true VoIP app
    > rather than a "Talkety" like dial-around service, which is more
    > complicated, yet essentially no better, than using a calling card.
    >
    >> For now, those that want VOIP on a mobile platform should stick with
    >> Symbian-based, or Win-Mo based devices.

    >
    > True, but frankly I doubt many people choose their phone based on what
    > will work well with VoIP. Even if you travel overseas often, you could
    > always tote a dedicated WiFi VoIP handset for those uses. VoIP on my
    > mobile is a convenience for the few times I need it (it came in handy in
    > Mexico a few months ago- $0.02/min. VoIP beat hell out of $1.49/min.
    > roaming!) but I certainly didn't choose my phone solely based on VoIP
    > capability. (But it's VoIP and remote terminal capabilities did allow
    > me NOT to bring a laptop along.)
    >
    >> For the iPhone, until it catches up with the other mobile platforms in
    >> terms of capability, stick with something like Voicestick or OneSuite
    >> for low-cost per-minute VOIP worldwide long-distance, but you use up
    >> your peak minutes on your plan.

    >
    > Which is fine domestically, but this will allow jailbroken iPhone users
    > to call via WiFi overseas, reducing roaming charges or the need to deal
    > with the hassle of local prepaid SIMs.


    Perhaps, but just as in the U.S., Wi-Fi isn't sufficient for adequate
    coverage. It's actually worse overseas where there isn't nearly as much
    free Wi-Fi. With some free Wi-Fi networks requiring Microsoft SideKick
    to work, this further lessens the value of Wi-Fi. You really need a
    prepaid SIM overseas if you're going to have even moderate use. Which of
    course rules out the iPhone unless you have it unlocked.

    Where I'd like an iPhone size device is at the hotel to use the hotel's
    Wi-Fi rather than haul along a laptop. Alas, many hotels still have only
    wired access, including the last hotel I stayed at in Asia. So I'd have
    to also haul along a pocket router to use a device without wired capability.

    > Which is a great thing, particulary for those planning to use payphones
    > or local SIMs, but if WiFi is available, VoIP is still preferable, IMO.
    > For short trips, buying a $30 SIM to avoid $30 in roaming charges is a
    > false economy.


    Yes, this is true. At least in Taiwan the local SIM is not $30, it's
    around $10.



  10. #10
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client

    At 16 Apr 2008 19:05:46 -0700 SMS wrote:

    > > Which is fine domestically, but this will allow jailbroken iPhone users
    > > to call via WiFi overseas, reducing roaming charges or the need to
    > > deal with the hassle of local prepaid SIMs.

    >
    > Perhaps, but just as in the U.S., Wi-Fi isn't sufficient for adequate
    > coverage. It's actually worse overseas where there isn't nearly as
    > much free Wi-Fi.


    Understood- I'm not talking about an Oxford-like ubiquity, I just mean the
    ability to make or take VoIP calls back at the hotel. Fortunately or
    unfortunately I'm not "important" enough to need 24/7 access. When
    traveling, just catching up with voicemail and e-mail daily is adequate for
    my needs.

    > With some free Wi-Fi networks requiring Microsoft
    > SideKick to work, this further lessens the value of Wi-Fi. You really
    > need a prepaid SIM overseas if you're going to have even moderate
    > use. Which of course rules out the iPhone unless you have it unlocked.



    I would assume anyone who's jailbroken their iPhone is also likely to have
    unlocked it, although I could be wrong.

    > Where I'd like an iPhone size device is at the hotel to use the hotel's
    > Wi-Fi rather than haul along a laptop. Alas, many hotels still have only
    > wired access, including the last hotel I stayed at in Asia.


    I believe Larry is now selling N800s door-to-door... ;-)

    > So I'd have to
    > also haul along a pocket router to use a device without wired capability.



    There's one packed in my travel kit just for that eventuality.


    > > For short trips, buying a $30 SIM to avoid $30 in roaming charges is a

    false economy.
    >
    > Yes, this is true. At least in Taiwan the local SIM is not $30, it's

    around $10.

    There are certainly bargains to be had in some countries. For $10 I'd
    probably buy one just for giggles.





  11. #11
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client

    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > VoIP on my mobile is a
    > convenience for the few times I need it (it came in handy in Mexico a
    > few months ago- $0.02/min. VoIP beat hell out of $1.49/min. roaming!)
    > but I certainly didn't choose my phone solely based on VoIP
    > capability.


    While driving back from the boonies from fixing a church's Kawai digital
    piano, this afternoon, my N800 "rang". It was a crazy character I've known
    for years from Osaka, Japan, and he rode along on Alltel EVDO ($25/mo
    unlimited) on the way back into town for over an hour. He's a software
    kinda guy and very handy to know if you run Linux, his specialty. But, his
    garage door opener remote control failure wasn't a software problem. I got
    him to pull it apart on his desk and "we" found a loose battery spring that
    broke loose from the PC board the idiots who built it soldered it to.

    The call cost us nothing for over an hour from Charleston, SC to Osaka, JP
    because we were both on Skype. We talk a lot either on Skype or Gizmo,
    which I occasionally boot, but not as often as Skype because Skype has its
    own phone number.

    The garage door opens itself, now, in the monsoon rains.....(c;

    With a little more training, he'll be able to operate the soldering iron on
    his own, without American consultation....and I'll be allowed root access
    to Linux without my Japanese mentor looking over my shoulder keeping me
    from crashing the kernel.







  12. #12
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client

    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:fu6dla$9la$1
    @aioe.org:

    >> Where I'd like an iPhone size device is at the hotel to use the hotel's
    >> Wi-Fi rather than haul along a laptop. Alas, many hotels still have only
    >> wired access, including the last hotel I stayed at in Asia.

    >
    > I believe Larry is now selling N800s door-to-door... ;-)
    >
    >


    http://www.internettablettalk.com/wi...p?title=HOWTO:
    _Wired_Networking_using_USB_host_mode_and_OS_2008

    Nope just solutions. This webpage is a howto to setup the N800 with a
    Linksys Ethernet-to-USB adapter (Linksys USB100M) so you can plug either
    OS2008 Maemo Linux tablet into an Ethernet system, directly, at the hotel.

    Ignore the link to put the tablet into OTG or Host mode on its USB port.
    No more hacking is necessary as there is a nice little app, of course free,
    that simply has 3 buttons on it for you to choose the USB mode from the GUI
    app:

    http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbcontrol/

    With a common camera miniUSB cable and a female-to-female gender changer, I
    can now connect USB peripherals such as my 1TB USB hard drives, a USB hub
    from Staples via the thrift shop, my HP scanner/printer, even a Microsoft
    USB full keyboard to the tablet's USB port. I ordered my own gender
    changer today because noone in town here has one I can find. The Geek
    Squad at BB told me I can't connect the tablet's USB port to devices, only
    computers. "Like this?", I offered showing him an 8GB SD card in a USB
    adapter plugged into the gender changer on loan to me.....(c;

    Priceless.....(c; Another convert...






  13. #13
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client

    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in news:FcqNj.106
    [email protected]:

    >> Y0u can not get a Nokia 800 into a normal shirt pocket can y0u, Larry?

    >
    >
    > Sure, if he uses David Byrne's tailor...
    >
    > http://www.howardism.org/thoughts/TalkingHeadsClip7.jpg
    >
    >
    >


    It fits quite nicely into my inside pocket of my jacket, but I have to be
    careful listening to streaming audio without headphones in there. People
    are no longer used to seeing someone with a "transistor radio" playing in
    their pocket, even at computer stores. Everyone KNOWS music players all
    use HEADPHONES, right??




  14. #14
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIPclient

    Todd Allcock wrote:

    > I believe Larry is now selling N800s door-to-door... ;-)


    Yes, he was here yesterday.

    I think I'd go with the Asus Eee PC if I have to have two devices anyway.

    > There are certainly bargains to be had in some countries. For $10 I'd
    > probably buy one just for giggles.


    It was a pain to buy, as they stopped selling them at 7-11 (there are
    often multiple 7-11's on each block in Taipei) and now only sell them at
    the carrier's offices which have hours worse than banker's hours.

    My daughter is in Taiwan now on an exchange student program and I gave
    her the quad band phone and SIM card to use, though I'm not calling her
    every half hour as I threatened to do, especially after hearing a review
    of a new book, "A Nation of Wimps: The High Cost of Invasive Parenting."



  15. #15
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: VoIP and iPhone together at last - fring launches iPhone VoIP client

    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in news:elmop-
    [email protected]:

    > Jesus. You didn't grow up with that, did you? So why would you even
    > think about doing it to your own kids?
    >
    >


    If he knew what she was doing in Taiwan, he'd probably have a heart attack
    early.




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