Re: AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones

At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by apple.
Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be installed, It's all
BS.

Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
What's it been, a year now and still nothing.


"Michael" <mikegoldnj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-04-30 21:52:41 -0400, "B. Peg" <bent_peg69@worldnet.att.net> said:
>>>> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their
>>>> simpletons cannot use it nor want to.
>>>
>>> Lots of 3rd party web based software already, SDK built
>>> software starting in July, which should assure lack of crashes so
>>> common on Treo devices.
>>
>> Too bad Apple owner's cannot use it. Remember, the Apple is for those
>> who
>> don't like programming or playing with the technology. The power users
>> will
>> go to HTC where forums like XDA constantly write programs and hack the
>> phones to tailer their needs.
>>
>
>
> Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all
> doubt.
>
>
> http://www.modmyifone.com/nativeapps/
>

On Jun 1, 2:56*pm, "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithwea...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by apple..
> Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be installed, It's all
> BS.
>
> Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
> What's it been, a year now and still nothing.
>

Hmm

My iPhone has screen after screen full of apps. So many I don't see
any need to buy one from Apple at this time.
It is so easy - even Larry could do it!

Vic
ki4je

On Apr 29, 7:39*pm, aRKay <arkayREM...@qsl.net> wrote:

> The iPhone is very nice for those that can expense the cost.

What is this load of bollocks? I see people repeating this statement
like some kind of mantra.

My cellphone bill went DOWN when I bought my iPhone. I was previously
paying $49.95/mo (not including voice plan cost) for unlimited
BlackBerry data. Now I pay $20/mo for unlimited iPhone data and I have
the same voice plan. I wind up paying about $150/mo for two iPhones
(wife's and mine) and two regular cellphones (for my in-laws) on a
shared minutes plan.

On 2008-06-01 14:56:33 -0400, "Kevin Weaver"
<kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> said:

> At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by
> apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be
> installed, It's all BS.
>
> Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
> What's it been, a year now and still nothing.
>
>
> "Michael" <mikegoldnj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4842e5a0$0$25029$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> On 2008-04-30 21:52:41 -0400, "B. Peg" <bent_peg69@worldnet.att.net> said:
>>>>> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their
>>>>> simpletons cannot use it nor want to.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of 3rd party web based software already, SDK built
>>>> software starting in July, which should assure lack of crashes so
>>>> common on Treo devices.
>>>
>>> Too bad Apple owner's cannot use it. Remember, the Apple is for those who
>>> don't like programming or playing with the technology. The power users will
>>> go to HTC where forums like XDA constantly write programs and hack the
>>> phones to tailer their needs.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
>>
>>
>> http://www.modmyifone.com/nativeapps/

Are you just a total moron?

There are tons of applications available, most for free. All created
by Mac PROGRAMMERS without the SDK.

Heard of UNIX? It's a bit more stable than Windows and it's the
backbone of OSX.

You can install these to a stock iPhone without mods ?
Are you talking about them cheese ball one's on the apple site ?
Unless it has apple's ok, then the apps your talking about are not apps.

Being the iTunes store is not open yet to sell software then there is none.

How is the iPhone doing running flash ? Now go play with your iPhone.


"Michael" <mikegoldnj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-06-01 14:56:33 -0400, "Kevin Weaver"
> <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> said:
>
>> At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by
>> apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be installed,
>> It's all BS.
>>
>> Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
>> What's it been, a year now and still nothing.
>>
>>
>> "Michael" <mikegoldnj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:4842e5a0$0$25029$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>> On 2008-04-30 21:52:41 -0400, "B. Peg" <bent_peg69@worldnet.att.net>
>>> said:
>>>>>> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their
>>>>>> simpletons cannot use it nor want to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lots of 3rd party web based software already, SDK built
>>>>> software starting in July, which should assure lack of crashes so
>>>>> common on Treo devices.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad Apple owner's cannot use it. Remember, the Apple is for those
>>>> who
>>>> don't like programming or playing with the technology. The power users
>>>> will
>>>> go to HTC where forums like XDA constantly write programs and hack the
>>>> phones to tailer their needs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all
>>> doubt.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.modmyifone.com/nativeapps/
>
> Are you just a total moron?
>
> There are tons of applications available, most for free. All created by
> Mac PROGRAMMERS without the SDK.
>
> Heard of UNIX? It's a bit more stable than Windows and it's the backbone
> of OSX.
>

In article
<0b6a16f3-55fc-4066-b951-feb74c3a7da6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:

> On Apr 29, 7:39*pm, aRKay <arkayREM...@qsl.net> wrote:
>
> > The iPhone is very nice for those that can expense the cost.
>
> What is this load of bollocks? I see people repeating this statement
> like some kind of mantra.
>
> My cellphone bill went DOWN when I bought my iPhone. I was previously
> paying $49.95/mo (not including voice plan cost) for unlimited
> BlackBerry data. Now I pay $20/mo for unlimited iPhone data and I have
> the same voice plan. I wind up paying about $150/mo for two iPhones
> (wife's and mine) and two regular cellphones (for my in-laws) on a
> shared minutes plan.

That simply makes you in the minority, or simply had a stupidly
expensive phone / plan before.

The iPhone is priced at the upper end of mobile phones (although not
the most expensive) and the data plans are expensive (largely because
phone companies are being greedy) ... so the iPhone *IS* very expensive
for many people.

Personally I couldn't even justify buying one at even 1/10th of the
current price.

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:ChC0k.4098$jI5.3142@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com:

> At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by
> apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be
> installed, It's all BS.
>
> Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
> What's it been, a year now and still nothing.
>
>

The first app we need is a memory mapper and CPU load indicator.

I'd sure be interested to see what the PHONE apps are costing the iPhone
that cannot be used for running other apps. They occupy part of its
limited RAM, its main EPROM and use lots of CPU cycles, even when you're
not making a call. The comms with the towers take space and time, too.

I think this is one of the reasons for the limited apps that come with
it....and its lack of installable apps. If the user starts loading it up
with Mac bloatware and the stylish graphics running for pretty, there just
has to be a point at which the combo of user software and phone software
overrrun the processor and RAM, either causing a crash or making the phone
unusable. It has to be a phone FIRST....just like any smartphone.

I don't think this is iPhone special. I think its why the smartphones run
such simpleton browsers and apps as BREW or WM or Palm. It can't be a
heavy duty computer and be a phone, too.....

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:8c3479d8-9819-4e86-9ef1-
1b9796ac344c@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> My iPhone has screen after screen full of apps. So many I don't see
> any need to buy one from Apple at this time.
> It is so easy - even Larry could do it!
>
> Vic
> ki4je
>
>
>

Vic, how many apps can you run simultaneously and still talk to someone on
the phone? I'm not talking about just installed apps using memory, I'm
talking about apps actually doing something, using CPU cycles and accessing
RAM. I heard it can only run one program at a time. Is that true?

Michael <mikegoldnj@yahoo.com> wrote in news:48434bce$0$11633
$607ed4bc@cv.net:

> Heard of UNIX? It's a bit more stable than Windows and it's the
> backbone of OSX.
>
>

This always intrigues me when someone says it. It may be true, but OSX
programs are HUGE in comparison to Linux programs. Look here:
https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_...release_id=594
This is a video converter to make the big movies run smoother on the little
tablet's limited resources. This is the download page, as this app runs on
the PC, not the tablet.

The latest release of this video converter has sizes of:
Linux - 49KB
Windoze - 3.83MB
OSX - 7.5MB

What am I missing? It's the same app. This is just one example.

Unix/Linux programs are tiny, compared to Micr$oft bloatware. If OSX is
Unix, you should be able to run Unix software. Why is it so big?

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:gFJ0k.7133
$nW2.5960@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com:

> How is the iPhone doing running flash ? Now go play with your iPhone.
>
>

Now, Kevin....It's not nice to bring up glaring deficiencies...

"4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e1707308-61ce-4a75-89b0-ac7d6d2339d1@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 1, 11:19 pm, "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithwea...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> You can install these to a stock iPhone without mods ?
> Are you talking about them cheese ball one's on the apple site ?
> Unless it has apple's ok, then the apps your talking about are not apps.
>
> Being the iTunes store is not open yet to sell software then there is
> none.
>
> How is the iPhone doing running flash ? Now go play with your iPhone.
>
> "Michael" <mikegol...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:48434bce$0$11633$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
>
>
> > On 2008-06-01 14:56:33 -0400, "Kevin Weaver"
> > <kevinkeithwea...@sbcglobal.net> said:
>
> >> At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by
> >> apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be
> >> installed,
> >> It's all BS.
>
> >> Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat.
> >> What's it been, a year now and still nothing.
>
> >> "Michael" <mikegol...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:4842e5a0$0$25029$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> >>> On 2008-04-30 21:52:41 -0400, "B. Peg" <bent_pe...@worldnet.att.net>
> >>> said:
> >>>>>> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their
> >>>>>> simpletons cannot use it nor want to.
>
> >>>>> Lots of 3rd party web based software already, SDK built
> >>>>> software starting in July, which should assure lack of crashes so
> >>>>> common on Treo devices.
>
> >>>> Too bad Apple owner's cannot use it. Remember, the Apple is for those
> >>>> who
> >>>> don't like programming or playing with the technology. The power
> >>>> users
> >>>> will
> >>>> go to HTC where forums like XDA constantly write programs and hack
> >>>> the
> >>>> phones to tailer their needs.
>
> >>> Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove
> >>> all
> >>> doubt.
>
> >>>http://www.modmyifone.com/nativeapps/
>
> > Are you just a total moron?
>
> > There are tons of applications available, most for free. All created by
> > Mac PROGRAMMERS without the SDK.
>
> > Heard of UNIX? It's a bit more stable than Windows and it's the backbone
> > of OSX.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It takes a one time run of the Ziphone application a total of 45
seconds to open any iPhone for freeware and paid applications. You can
revirginize it using iTunes at any time if you need to return it to
Apple. Once you get by the crayon stage in your posts of FUD you will
begin to see even you could do it. As the Atlanta Journal Constitution
wrote today it is by far the best ("an electronic jacknife of
cellphones") multipurpose cell phone ever made and the easiest to use-
most highly recomended to their readers.

I rest my case. *Mods*

At 01 Jun 2008 18:23:00 -0700 zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:39*pm, aRKay <arkayREM...@qsl.net> wrote:

> My cellphone bill went DOWN when I bought my iPhone. I was previously
> paying $49.95/mo (not including voice plan cost) for unlimited
> BlackBerry data. Now I pay $20/mo for unlimited iPhone data and I have
> the same voice plan. I wind up paying about $150/mo for two iPhones
> (wife's and mine) and two regular cellphones (for my in-laws) on a
> shared minutes plan.


Why were you paying $50 for Blackberry data, unless you needed access to a
Blackberry Enterprise Server, which the iPhone can't access anyway? You're
comparing Apples to oranges (or Blackberries.) Different data products
entirely.

You might as well say "my daily expense for lunch dropped from $30 to $5
after buying an iPhone. That and I started going to McDonald's instead of
Morton's..."

At 02 Jun 2008 03:45:10 +0000 Larry wrote:

> The first app we need is a memory mapper and CPU load indicator.
>
> I'd sure be interested to see what the PHONE apps are costing the iPhone
> that cannot be used for running other apps. They occupy part of its
> limited RAM, its main EPROM and use lots of CPU cycles, even when you're
> not making a call. The comms with the towers take space and time, too.


Actually, smartphones don't work that way.

The "phone" is a completely separate chunck of the hardware under the hood
that the "computer" (hardware and software) interfaces to, much like a
modem or a printer on a desktop. This is how the "phone" can still
function while the PDA is switched off. In my WinMo phone, for example,
the phone even has a dedicated speaker- the OS has no access to the
earpiece (a real pain for my VoIP software, which is forced to use the side
mounted stereo speakers rather than the phone earpiece!)

> I think this is one of the reasons for the limited apps that come with
> it....and its lack of installable apps. If the user starts loading it up
> with Mac bloatware and the stylish graphics running for pretty, there
just
> has to be a point at which the combo of user software and phone software
> overrrun the processor and RAM, either causing a crash or making the
phone
> unusable. It has to be a phone FIRST....just like any smartphone.

Not really- But when the device crashes, you lose UI control of the phone
portion. Nothing is more frustrating than when the phone is "locked up"
and you can't answer the incoming call the LEDs tell you is coming in
because the UI won't respond to the "talk" button!

> I don't think this is iPhone special. I think its why the smartphones
run
> such simpleton browsers and apps as BREW or WM or Palm. It can't be a
> heavy duty computer and be a phone, too.....

Why not? My WinMo phone runs a faster processor and has far more more
memory and storage than my old DOS XT laptop did and has a multi-tasking OS
that the laptop didn't. The real reason the devices are "stripped down" IMO,
is that the industry (both Win and Mac) doesn't want to gut laptop sales.
With Windows Mobile licenses at about $8, and XP/Vista licenses at about
$25-30, which do think MS would rather sell? Even Steve-o wouldn't want
each iPhone to equal one less MacBook in the world, would he?

As long as the WinMo $8 licenses are sold as a supplement to, rather than a
replacement of, a "real" Windows license, is MS happy. Therefore, (again,
just my opinion) you won't be seeing any "laptop equivalent" phones anytime
soon. This is also the reason, I think, that MS and Apple have stayed out
of the "webtablet" biz, prefering to focus on tiny "Ultramobile" PCs or
laptops that "fit in envelopes."