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  1. #31
    David Moyer
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    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    Ron <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
    > >thanks!!

    >
    > Is that one of those Chinese exploding batteries? And its hardly near
    > instantaneous to change batteries.


    the exploding batteries where on laptops because the chemistry was
    wrong, it never affected ipods or iphones.

    the battery is easily replaceable is the point, and a lot of people
    don't know this. sure, chances are 99% you'd have a new iPhone before
    the old one begins to lose charge, but the ignorance about iPhone and
    iPod batteries is amazing...

    they are ALL user replaceable!

    -



    See More: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"




  2. #32
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    David Moyer wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> The XV6800 is what set the bar for Apple's iPhone revision in terms of
    >> features, other than the iPhone's lack of a slide-out keyboard, lack of
    >> a memory card slot, and lack of a user-replaceable battery, the new
    >> iPhone is a worthy competitor.

    >
    > the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
    > where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
    > and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
    > is not in use.
    >
    > you can add a memory card slot, you've been able to do that for years.


    Huh? The iPhone has been out for only about a year, how could you have
    been able to add a memory card slot "for years?" What is the accessory
    that allows you to add a memory card?

    > and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
    >
    > http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html


    Yes, for those comfortable doing soldering it's user-replacable, LOL.

    > so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
    > thanks!!


    Look in the mirror please. Thanks!!



  3. #33
    PC Guy
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    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"



    "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:alangbaker-28A250.16272211062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
    >> > In article <[email protected]>,
    >> > Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <[email protected]>
    >> >> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the
    >> >> >planet.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
    >> >> >
    >> >> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner
    >> >> >rather
    >> >> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
    >> >> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described
    >> >> >in
    >> >> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons
    >> >> >to
    >> >> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
    >> >> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
    >> >> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once
    >> >> >you've
    >> >> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're
    >> >> >settling
    >> >> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
    >> >> >
    >> >> >much more here....
    >> >> >
    >> >> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
    >> >> >
    >> >> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
    >> >>
    >> >> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short "sound
    >> >> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
    >> >> that
    >> >> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly every
    >> >> one
    >> >> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the solution
    >> >> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
    >> >> comments. "
    >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....3da9cee4d6a3?d
    >> >> mod
    >> >> e=source
    >> >>
    >> >> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
    >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....dbea6948ceef?d
    >> >> mod
    >> >> e=source
    >> >>
    >> >> Among many others.
    >> >>
    >> >> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
    >> >> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple product.
    >> >> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
    >> >> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> > You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
    >> > interest"...

    >>
    >> We sure are. It's the concept you try to invoke every time you attempt to
    >> weasel out of your previous argument that conflicts with your current
    >> argument.

    >
    > Give an example...


    Certainly. Take a look at this thread:

    http://groups.google.com/group/comp....7674d92e39c2d6

    You're welcome




  4. #34
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    At 11 Jun 2008 16:13:27 -0600 David Moyer wrote:

    > > The XV6800 is what set the bar for Apple's iPhone revision in terms of
    > > features, other than the iPhone's lack of a slide-out keyboard, lack of
    > > a memory card slot, and lack of a user-replaceable battery, the new
    > > iPhone is a worthy competitor.

    >
    > the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
    > where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
    > and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
    > is not in use.



    With a physical keyboard you can see the whole screen even when the
    keyboard is in use!


    > you can add a memory card slot...


    To the iPhone? How?

    > ...you've been able to do that for years.

    The iPhone is 11 months old- you haven't been able to anything to it "for
    years."

    > and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
    >
    > http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html


    +$5 or so for the soldering iron. Or do you still stand by your old "there
    are clips under the tape" story?

    > so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
    > thanks!!


    Pot, kettle, black...






  5. #35
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    At 11 Jun 2008 16:18:54 -0400 ZnU wrote:

    > MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
    > high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
    > real e-mail with attachments?


    Because MMS is the "poor man's push e-mail." Personally I hardly use it,
    since I use a smartphone that handles e-mail and attachments, but it's
    still the quickest and dirtiest way to quickly send a picture or video to
    someone else's dumbphone. Any higher-end/more featured product should
    incorporate a super-set of the features lower-end products have- not only
    higher-end features incompatible with other products.

    The iPhone's lack of MMS is either just laziness on the part of it's
    developers, or snobbishness of Apple's brass.





  6. #36
    Kevin Weaver
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"


    "David Moyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:meetme-FCF43C.19372611062008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net...
    > Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> >so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
    >> >thanks!!

    >>
    >> Is that one of those Chinese exploding batteries? And its hardly near
    >> instantaneous to change batteries.

    >
    > the exploding batteries where on laptops because the chemistry was
    > wrong, it never affected ipods or iphones.
    >
    > the battery is easily replaceable is the point, and a lot of people
    > don't know this. sure, chances are 99% you'd have a new iPhone before
    > the old one begins to lose charge, but the ignorance about iPhone and
    > iPod batteries is amazing...


    So the reason we would have a new iPhone before the battery wears out is ?
    Ohh I get it. The phone will crap out before the battery will.
    >
    > they are ALL user replaceable!


    Tell that to apple. At 199 for the phone and there charging 79.00 to replace
    the battery ?
    Can you say bend over ? I knew you could.

    >
    > -





  7. #37
    Carl
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    David Moyer wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Sorry, but until they incorporate a phone book system, a calendar a
    >> task manager, and a to do list which can synchronize with MS
    >> Outlook, moving it a little more away from being a glorified toy and
    >> more towards business use, much as I want one, I won't have one. I
    >> don't even begin to understand how you can compare it to a
    >> Blackberry. The iPhone is still a device designed for the
    >> non-professional user.

    >
    > they announced that on Monday as well, take the tour of
    > "MobleMe.com"... and if you want to do more than syncing of phone,
    > addresses, calendars, task, todo's, then you can connect any iPhone
    > to MS Exchange 2003, or 2007.
    >
    > http://www.apple.com/mobileme/
    >
    > the tour of the features
    >
    > http://www.apple.com/mobileme/guidedtour/
    >
    > and the iPhone for Enterprise
    >
    > http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/
    >
    > Sweet!
    >

    Ah, now this is something I will spend some time looking into. Thank you.





  8. #38
    Steve de Mena
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    David Moyer wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> The XV6800 is what set the bar for Apple's iPhone revision in terms of
    >> features, other than the iPhone's lack of a slide-out keyboard, lack of
    >> a memory card slot, and lack of a user-replaceable battery, the new
    >> iPhone is a worthy competitor.

    >
    > the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
    > where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
    > and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
    > is not in use.
    >
    > you can add a memory card slot, you've been able to do that for years.
    >
    > and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
    >
    > http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
    >
    > so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
    > thanks!!


    The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.

    Steve



  9. #39
    David Moyer
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
    > > where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
    > > and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
    > > is not in use.

    >
    > With a physical keyboard you can see the whole screen even when the
    > keyboard is in use!


    but screens on Blackberries and Nokia's are microscopic so that's a poor
    argument.

    > > you can add a memory card slot...

    >
    > To the iPhone? How?


    belkin sells one.

    > > ...you've been able to do that for years.

    > The iPhone is 11 months old- you haven't been able to anything to it "for
    > years."
    >
    > > and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
    > >
    > > http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html

    >
    > +$5 or so for the soldering iron. Or do you still stand by your old "there
    > are clips under the tape" story?


    just install one in 3 years and find out.

    > > so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
    > > thanks!!

    >
    > Pot, kettle, black...


    you continuously don't understand the market, not me.



  10. #40
    David Moyer
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
    > >
    > > so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
    > > thanks!!

    >
    > The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.


    but you can always add one, and obviously you can replace your battery
    when the time comes. cost is around $12-$25.



  11. #41
    Steve de Mena
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 11 Jun 2008 16:18:54 -0400 ZnU wrote:
    >
    >> MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
    >> high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
    >> real e-mail with attachments?

    >
    > Because MMS is the "poor man's push e-mail." Personally I hardly use it,
    > since I use a smartphone that handles e-mail and attachments, but it's
    > still the quickest and dirtiest way to quickly send a picture or video to
    > someone else's dumbphone. Any higher-end/more featured product should
    > incorporate a super-set of the features lower-end products have- not only
    > higher-end features incompatible with other products.
    >
    > The iPhone's lack of MMS is either just laziness on the part of it's
    > developers, or snobbishness of Apple's brass.


    I vote for snobbishness. Like how we don't have multimedia card
    readers on ANY Mac.

    Steve



  12. #42
    Steve de Mena
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    David Moyer wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
    >>>
    >>> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
    >>> thanks!!

    >> The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.

    >
    > but you can always add one, and obviously you can replace your battery
    > when the time comes. cost is around $12-$25.


    The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.

    Steve



  13. #43
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    Steve de Mena wrote:
    > David Moyer wrote:
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
    >>>>
    >>>> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
    >>>> thanks!!
    >>> The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.

    >>
    >> but you can always add one, and obviously you can replace your battery
    >> when the time comes. cost is around $12-$25.

    >
    > The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.


    Not from Apple, but there are add-ons available. I saw one jury-rigged
    iPhone that had these features added. See
    "http://i32.tinypic.com/6fcydz.jpg".



  14. #44
    Sandman
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    In article <[email protected]>, Steve de
    Mena <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > > ZnU:
    > > > MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
    > > > high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and
    > > > receive real e-mail with attachments?


    > > Todd Allcock:
    > > Because MMS is the "poor man's push e-mail." Personally I hardly
    > > use it, since I use a smartphone that handles e-mail and
    > > attachments, but it's still the quickest and dirtiest way to
    > > quickly send a picture or video to someone else's dumbphone. Any
    > > higher-end/more featured product should incorporate a super-set of
    > > the features lower-end products have- not only higher-end features
    > > incompatible with other products.
    > >
    > > The iPhone's lack of MMS is either just laziness on the part of
    > > it's developers, or snobbishness of Apple's brass.


    > Steve de Mena:
    > I vote for snobbishness. Like how we don't have multimedia card
    > readers on ANY Mac.


    Huh? I have in my MacBook Pro.

    --
    Sandman[.net]



  15. #45
    Alan Baker
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:alangbaker-28A250.16272211062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
    > >> > In article <[email protected]>,
    > >> > Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <[email protected]>
    > >> >> wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the
    > >> >> >planet.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner
    > >> >> >rather
    > >> >> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
    > >> >> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described
    > >> >> >in
    > >> >> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons
    > >> >> >to
    > >> >> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
    > >> >> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
    > >> >> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once
    > >> >> >you've
    > >> >> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're
    > >> >> >settling
    > >> >> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >much more here....
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short "sound
    > >> >> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
    > >> >> that
    > >> >> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly every
    > >> >> one
    > >> >> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the solution
    > >> >> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
    > >> >> comments. "
    > >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....de33da9cee4d6a
    > >> >> 3?d
    > >> >> mod
    > >> >> e=source
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
    > >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....d3cdbea6948cee
    > >> >> f?d
    > >> >> mod
    > >> >> e=source
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Among many others.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
    > >> >> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple product.
    > >> >> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
    > >> >> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> > You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
    > >> > interest"...
    > >>
    > >> We sure are. It's the concept you try to invoke every time you attempt to
    > >> weasel out of your previous argument that conflicts with your current
    > >> argument.

    > >
    > > Give an example...

    >
    > Certainly. Take a look at this thread:
    >
    > http://groups.google.com/group/comp....thread/bd9da39
    > d9e3ce729/6a7674d92e39c2d6?lnk=raot#6a7674d92e39c2d6
    >
    > You're welcome


    Sorry, but "Take a look at this thread" isn't providing an example.

    --
    "The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
    "I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
    "It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
    '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
    'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
    IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
    'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
    on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)



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