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- 06-11-2008, 07:37 PM #31David MoyerGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
> >so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
> >thanks!!
>
> Is that one of those Chinese exploding batteries? And its hardly near
> instantaneous to change batteries.
the exploding batteries where on laptops because the chemistry was
wrong, it never affected ipods or iphones.
the battery is easily replaceable is the point, and a lot of people
don't know this. sure, chances are 99% you'd have a new iPhone before
the old one begins to lose charge, but the ignorance about iPhone and
iPod batteries is amazing...
they are ALL user replaceable!
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- 06-11-2008, 07:43 PM #32SMSGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
David Moyer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The XV6800 is what set the bar for Apple's iPhone revision in terms of
>> features, other than the iPhone's lack of a slide-out keyboard, lack of
>> a memory card slot, and lack of a user-replaceable battery, the new
>> iPhone is a worthy competitor.
>
> the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
> where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
> and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
> is not in use.
>
> you can add a memory card slot, you've been able to do that for years.
Huh? The iPhone has been out for only about a year, how could you have
been able to add a memory card slot "for years?" What is the accessory
that allows you to add a memory card?
> and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
>
> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
Yes, for those comfortable doing soldering it's user-replacable, LOL.
> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
> thanks!!
Look in the mirror please. Thanks!!
- 06-11-2008, 08:02 PM #33PC GuyGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
"Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-28A250.16272211062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the
>> >> >planet.
>> >> >
>> >> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>> >> >
>> >> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner
>> >> >rather
>> >> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
>> >> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described
>> >> >in
>> >> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons
>> >> >to
>> >> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
>> >> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
>> >> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once
>> >> >you've
>> >> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're
>> >> >settling
>> >> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
>> >> >
>> >> >much more here....
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>> >>
>> >> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short "sound
>> >> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
>> >> that
>> >> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly every
>> >> one
>> >> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the solution
>> >> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
>> >> comments. "
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....3da9cee4d6a3?d
>> >> mod
>> >> e=source
>> >>
>> >> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....dbea6948ceef?d
>> >> mod
>> >> e=source
>> >>
>> >> Among many others.
>> >>
>> >> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
>> >> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple product.
>> >> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
>> >> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
>> > interest"...
>>
>> We sure are. It's the concept you try to invoke every time you attempt to
>> weasel out of your previous argument that conflicts with your current
>> argument.
>
> Give an example...
Certainly. Take a look at this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....7674d92e39c2d6
You're welcome
- 06-11-2008, 08:56 PM #34Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
At 11 Jun 2008 16:13:27 -0600 David Moyer wrote:
> > The XV6800 is what set the bar for Apple's iPhone revision in terms of
> > features, other than the iPhone's lack of a slide-out keyboard, lack of
> > a memory card slot, and lack of a user-replaceable battery, the new
> > iPhone is a worthy competitor.
>
> the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
> where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
> and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
> is not in use.
With a physical keyboard you can see the whole screen even when the
keyboard is in use!
> you can add a memory card slot...
To the iPhone? How?
> ...you've been able to do that for years.
The iPhone is 11 months old- you haven't been able to anything to it "for
years."
> and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
>
> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
+$5 or so for the soldering iron. Or do you still stand by your old "there
are clips under the tape" story?
> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
> thanks!!
Pot, kettle, black...
- 06-11-2008, 09:06 PM #35Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
At 11 Jun 2008 16:18:54 -0400 ZnU wrote:
> MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
> high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
> real e-mail with attachments?
Because MMS is the "poor man's push e-mail." Personally I hardly use it,
since I use a smartphone that handles e-mail and attachments, but it's
still the quickest and dirtiest way to quickly send a picture or video to
someone else's dumbphone. Any higher-end/more featured product should
incorporate a super-set of the features lower-end products have- not only
higher-end features incompatible with other products.
The iPhone's lack of MMS is either just laziness on the part of it's
developers, or snobbishness of Apple's brass.
- 06-11-2008, 09:09 PM #36Kevin WeaverGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
"David Moyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:meetme-FCF43C.19372611062008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net...
> Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
>> >thanks!!
>>
>> Is that one of those Chinese exploding batteries? And its hardly near
>> instantaneous to change batteries.
>
> the exploding batteries where on laptops because the chemistry was
> wrong, it never affected ipods or iphones.
>
> the battery is easily replaceable is the point, and a lot of people
> don't know this. sure, chances are 99% you'd have a new iPhone before
> the old one begins to lose charge, but the ignorance about iPhone and
> iPod batteries is amazing...
So the reason we would have a new iPhone before the battery wears out is ?
Ohh I get it. The phone will crap out before the battery will.
>
> they are ALL user replaceable!
Tell that to apple. At 199 for the phone and there charging 79.00 to replace
the battery ?
Can you say bend over ? I knew you could.
>
> -
- 06-11-2008, 09:48 PM #37CarlGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
David Moyer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but until they incorporate a phone book system, a calendar a
>> task manager, and a to do list which can synchronize with MS
>> Outlook, moving it a little more away from being a glorified toy and
>> more towards business use, much as I want one, I won't have one. I
>> don't even begin to understand how you can compare it to a
>> Blackberry. The iPhone is still a device designed for the
>> non-professional user.
>
> they announced that on Monday as well, take the tour of
> "MobleMe.com"... and if you want to do more than syncing of phone,
> addresses, calendars, task, todo's, then you can connect any iPhone
> to MS Exchange 2003, or 2007.
>
> http://www.apple.com/mobileme/
>
> the tour of the features
>
> http://www.apple.com/mobileme/guidedtour/
>
> and the iPhone for Enterprise
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/
>
> Sweet!
>
Ah, now this is something I will spend some time looking into. Thank you.
- 06-11-2008, 09:58 PM #38Steve de MenaGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
David Moyer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The XV6800 is what set the bar for Apple's iPhone revision in terms of
>> features, other than the iPhone's lack of a slide-out keyboard, lack of
>> a memory card slot, and lack of a user-replaceable battery, the new
>> iPhone is a worthy competitor.
>
> the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
> where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
> and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
> is not in use.
>
> you can add a memory card slot, you've been able to do that for years.
>
> and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
>
> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
>
> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
> thanks!!
The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.
Steve
- 06-11-2008, 10:10 PM #39David MoyerGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> > the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
> > where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
> > and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
> > is not in use.
>
> With a physical keyboard you can see the whole screen even when the
> keyboard is in use!
but screens on Blackberries and Nokia's are microscopic so that's a poor
argument.
> > you can add a memory card slot...
>
> To the iPhone? How?
belkin sells one.
> > ...you've been able to do that for years.
> The iPhone is 11 months old- you haven't been able to anything to it "for
> years."
>
> > and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
> >
> > http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
>
> +$5 or so for the soldering iron. Or do you still stand by your old "there
> are clips under the tape" story?
just install one in 3 years and find out.
> > so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
> > thanks!!
>
> Pot, kettle, black...
you continuously don't understand the market, not me.
- 06-11-2008, 10:22 PM #40David MoyerGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
In article <[email protected]>,
Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
> > http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
> >
> > so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
> > thanks!!
>
> The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.
but you can always add one, and obviously you can replace your battery
when the time comes. cost is around $12-$25.
- 06-11-2008, 10:37 PM #41Steve de MenaGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 11 Jun 2008 16:18:54 -0400 ZnU wrote:
>
>> MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
>> high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
>> real e-mail with attachments?
>
> Because MMS is the "poor man's push e-mail." Personally I hardly use it,
> since I use a smartphone that handles e-mail and attachments, but it's
> still the quickest and dirtiest way to quickly send a picture or video to
> someone else's dumbphone. Any higher-end/more featured product should
> incorporate a super-set of the features lower-end products have- not only
> higher-end features incompatible with other products.
>
> The iPhone's lack of MMS is either just laziness on the part of it's
> developers, or snobbishness of Apple's brass.
I vote for snobbishness. Like how we don't have multimedia card
readers on ANY Mac.
Steve
- 06-11-2008, 11:10 PM #42Steve de MenaGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
David Moyer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
>>>
>>> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
>>> thanks!!
>> The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.
>
> but you can always add one, and obviously you can replace your battery
> when the time comes. cost is around $12-$25.
The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.
Steve
- 06-12-2008, 12:30 AM #43SMSGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
Steve de Mena wrote:
> David Moyer wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
>>>>
>>>> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
>>>> thanks!!
>>> The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.
>>
>> but you can always add one, and obviously you can replace your battery
>> when the time comes. cost is around $12-$25.
>
> The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.
Not from Apple, but there are add-ons available. I saw one jury-rigged
iPhone that had these features added. See
"http://i32.tinypic.com/6fcydz.jpg".
- 06-12-2008, 12:31 AM #44SandmanGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
In article <[email protected]>, Steve de
Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > ZnU:
> > > MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
> > > high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and
> > > receive real e-mail with attachments?
> > Todd Allcock:
> > Because MMS is the "poor man's push e-mail." Personally I hardly
> > use it, since I use a smartphone that handles e-mail and
> > attachments, but it's still the quickest and dirtiest way to
> > quickly send a picture or video to someone else's dumbphone. Any
> > higher-end/more featured product should incorporate a super-set of
> > the features lower-end products have- not only higher-end features
> > incompatible with other products.
> >
> > The iPhone's lack of MMS is either just laziness on the part of
> > it's developers, or snobbishness of Apple's brass.
> Steve de Mena:
> I vote for snobbishness. Like how we don't have multimedia card
> readers on ANY Mac.
Huh? I have in my MacBook Pro.
--
Sandman[.net]
- 06-12-2008, 12:43 AM #45Alan BakerGuest
Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"
In article <[email protected]>,
"PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-28A250.16272211062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <[email protected]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the
> >> >> >planet.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner
> >> >> >rather
> >> >> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
> >> >> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described
> >> >> >in
> >> >> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
> >> >> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
> >> >> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once
> >> >> >you've
> >> >> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're
> >> >> >settling
> >> >> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
> >> >> >
> >> >> >much more here....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
> >> >> >
> >> >> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> >> >>
> >> >> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short "sound
> >> >> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
> >> >> that
> >> >> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly every
> >> >> one
> >> >> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the solution
> >> >> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
> >> >> comments. "
> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....de33da9cee4d6a
> >> >> 3?d
> >> >> mod
> >> >> e=source
> >> >>
> >> >> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....d3cdbea6948cee
> >> >> f?d
> >> >> mod
> >> >> e=source
> >> >>
> >> >> Among many others.
> >> >>
> >> >> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
> >> >> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple product.
> >> >> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
> >> >> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
> >> > interest"...
> >>
> >> We sure are. It's the concept you try to invoke every time you attempt to
> >> weasel out of your previous argument that conflicts with your current
> >> argument.
> >
> > Give an example...
>
> Certainly. Take a look at this thread:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....thread/bd9da39
> d9e3ce729/6a7674d92e39c2d6?lnk=raot#6a7674d92e39c2d6
>
> You're welcome
Sorry, but "Take a look at this thread" isn't providing an example.
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