Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

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"Alan Baker" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the planet.
>> >
>> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>> >
>> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
>> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
>> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described in
>> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons to
>> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
>> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
>> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once you've
>> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're settling
>> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
>> >
>> >much more here....
>> >
>> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
>> >
>> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>
>> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short "sound
>> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
>> that
>> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly every
>> one
>> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the solution
>> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
>> comments. "
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....9cee4d6a3?dmod
>> e=source
>>
>> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....a6948ceef?dmod
>> e=source
>>
>> Among many others.
>>
>> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
>> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple product.
>> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
>> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
>>
>>
>>
>
> You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
> interest"...
>
> --
> "The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
> "I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
> "It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix
> with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin
> on Mac OS X)
> '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
> 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
> IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
> 'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
> on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)

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› See More: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

David Moyer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
>>>
>>> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
>>> thanks!!
>> The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.
>
> but you can always add one, and obviously you can replace your battery
> when the time comes. cost is around $12-$25.

Oxford, you're such a retard... You can't "add" a memory card slot, and
the battery is not "user replaceable" as you've continually claimed.
Unless you have soldering skills.

You keep claiming Belkin sells a memory card slot. But the fact is, they
don't sell any such device whatsoever for the iPhone.

http://www.belkin.com/ipod/iphone/

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:29:59 -0600, "PC Guy" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>
>"Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the planet.
>>> >
>>> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>>> >
>>> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
>>> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
>>> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described in
>>> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons to
>>> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
>>> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
>>> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once you've
>>> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're settling
>>> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
>>> >
>>> >much more here....
>>> >
>>> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
>>> >
>>> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>>
>>> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short "sound
>>> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
>>> that
>>> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly every
>>> one
>>> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the solution
>>> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
>>> comments. "
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....9cee4d6a3?dmod
>>> e=source
>>>
>>> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....a6948ceef?dmod
>>> e=source
>>>
>>> Among many others.
>>>
>>> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
>>> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple product.
>>> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
>>> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
>> interest"...
>
>We sure are. It's the concept you try to invoke every time you attempt to
>weasel out of your previous argument that conflicts with your current
>argument.

You've got to remember that these guys are heavily invested in their
own persecution complexes. So heavily invested that it simply never
even occurs to them that anyone who doesn't share their delusions is
giving an honest opinion.
Paul Thurott is clearly a Windows booster. In a Maccie's paranoid
mind this means that his hatred for Apple burns with the intensity of
1,000 suns. That he doesn't have the same reverent, worshipful
awestruck devotion to Apple that they do only serves to 'prove' this
delusion in their minds. They simply cannot concieve of the notion
that Apple could just be another company, its products just other
devices to anyone. Anyone who make such a statement is just using
'code' in an attempt to disguise his burning hatred for Apple in the
Maccie's view.
That's how we get to asinine things like praising an Apple product is
making a 'statement against interest' for a guy who runs a Windows
oriented website. Its a major breakthrough, you see, becaue a guy
whose hatred of Apple burns with the intensity of 1,000 suns just said
Apple did something right. Never mind the reality that Paul Thurott is
just giving his independent opinion of a product on its own merits as
he sees them, like he always does.
This must surely be a Road To Damascus moment! Since Maccies worship
and follow the dictates of Steve Jobs they assume that Windows people
do the same for prominent people in the Windows world. They see Paul
Thurott's 'conversion' as hope that all will soon bend their knee and
bow their head in the direction of Cupertino five times a day like
they do.
Its all pretty damn amusing. It gets even more amusing when you
realize that they are deadly serious about the whole thing.

SMS wrote:
> Steve de Mena wrote:
>> David Moyer wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
>>>>>
>>>>> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
>>>>> thanks!!
>>>> The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.
>>>
>>> but you can always add one, and obviously you can replace your
>>> battery when the time comes. cost is around $12-$25.
>>
>> The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.
>
> Not from Apple, but there are add-ons available. I saw one jury-rigged
> iPhone that had these features added. See
> "http://i32.tinypic.com/6fcydz.jpg".

I'll say it again.

The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.

Steve

"Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-702105.23433411062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-28A250.16272211062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > "PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> > Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <[email protected]>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the
>> >> >> >planet.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner
>> >> >> >rather
>> >> >> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
>> >> >> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I
>> >> >> >described
>> >> >> >in
>> >> >> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few
>> >> >> >reasons
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said
>> >> >> >it
>> >> >> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically
>> >> >> >important
>> >> >> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once
>> >> >> >you've
>> >> >> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're
>> >> >> >settling
>> >> >> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by
>> >> >> >comparison."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >much more here....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short
>> >> >> "sound
>> >> >> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly
>> >> >> every
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the
>> >> >> solution
>> >> >> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
>> >> >> comments. "
>> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....de33da9cee4d6a
>> >> >> 3?d
>> >> >> mod
>> >> >> e=source
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
>> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....d3cdbea6948cee
>> >> >> f?d
>> >> >> mod
>> >> >> e=source
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Among many others.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
>> >> >> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple
>> >> >> product.
>> >> >> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
>> >> >> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
>> >> > interest"...
>> >>
>> >> We sure are. It's the concept you try to invoke every time you attempt
>> >> to
>> >> weasel out of your previous argument that conflicts with your current
>> >> argument.
>> >
>> > Give an example...
>>
>> Certainly. Take a look at this thread:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....thread/bd9da39
>> d9e3ce729/6a7674d92e39c2d6?lnk=raot#6a7674d92e39c2d6
>>
>> You're welcome
>
> Sorry, but "Take a look at this thread" isn't providing an example.

What's it like to just throw away facts that you don't like?

Steve Mackay wrote:
> David Moyer wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
>>>>
>>>> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
>>>> thanks!!
>>> The iPhone has no memory card slot nor user-replaceable battery.
>>
>> but you can always add one, and obviously you can replace your battery
>> when the time comes. cost is around $12-$25.
>
> Oxford, you're such a retard... You can't "add" a memory card slot, and
> the battery is not "user replaceable" as you've continually claimed.
> Unless you have soldering skills.
>
> You keep claiming Belkin sells a memory card slot. But the fact is, they
> don't sell any such device whatsoever for the iPhone.
>
> http://www.belkin.com/ipod/iphone/

At one time there was a media reader from Belkin that worked with the
old iPods that had a 1394 interface. This is probably where Oxford is
confused (one of many places where he's confused).

Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Its all pretty damn amusing. It gets even more amusing when you
> realize that they are deadly serious about the whole thing.
>

I find it as scary as the dilution of thousands of people that the world
will come to an end December 22, 2012.

Boy are THEY in for a shock....(c;

Remember when Oral Roberts was going to be "recalled" if we didn't send him
$1,000,000 by a certain date?

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > Its all pretty damn amusing. It gets even more amusing when you
> > realize that they are deadly serious about the whole thing.
> >
>
> I find it as scary as the dilution of thousands of people that the world
> will come to an end December 22, 2012.
>
> Boy are THEY in for a shock....(c;
>
> Remember when Oral Roberts was going to be "recalled" if we didn't send him
> $1,000,000 by a certain date?

Was that supposed to happen?

If I'd known, I'd like to have made a negative "donation". :-)

--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)

In article <[email protected]>,
"PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-702105.23433411062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:alangbaker-28A250.16272211062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > "PC Guy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> >> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >> >> > Mayor of R'lyeh <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the
> >> >> >> >planet.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner
> >> >> >> >rather
> >> >> >> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
> >> >> >> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I
> >> >> >> >described
> >> >> >> >in
> >> >> >> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few
> >> >> >> >reasons
> >> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said
> >> >> >> >it
> >> >> >> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically
> >> >> >> >important
> >> >> >> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once
> >> >> >> >you've
> >> >> >> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're
> >> >> >> >settling
> >> >> >> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by
> >> >> >> >comparison."
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >much more here....
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short
> >> >> >> "sound
> >> >> >> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly
> >> >> >> every
> >> >> >> one
> >> >> >> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the
> >> >> >> solution
> >> >> >> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
> >> >> >> comments. "
> >> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....g/bde33da9cee4
> >> >> >> d6a
> >> >> >> 3?d
> >> >> >> mod
> >> >> >> e=source
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
> >> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....g/4d3cdbea6948
> >> >> >> cee
> >> >> >> f?d
> >> >> >> mod
> >> >> >> e=source
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Among many others.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
> >> >> >> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple
> >> >> >> product.
> >> >> >> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
> >> >> >> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
> >> >> > interest"...
> >> >>
> >> >> We sure are. It's the concept you try to invoke every time you attempt
> >> >> to
> >> >> weasel out of your previous argument that conflicts with your current
> >> >> argument.
> >> >
> >> > Give an example...
> >>
> >> Certainly. Take a look at this thread:
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....rm/thread/bd9d
> >> a39
> >> d9e3ce729/6a7674d92e39c2d6?lnk=raot#6a7674d92e39c2d6
> >>
> >> You're welcome
> >
> > Sorry, but "Take a look at this thread" isn't providing an example.
>
> What's it like to just throw away facts that you don't like?

You presented no facts.

I asked for an example. That would involve you providing a quote of my
text and then explaining how it fits your claim.

You provided nothing like that.

--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)

Joe Seattle <[email protected]> wrote:

> > http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
> >
> > http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>
> And of course you neglect to mention that you're going to be bound to
> spend $1680 plus taxes and surcharges over the span of the minimum two
> year contract you must agree to.

and exactly the same as any other 3G cel phone.

please check fact facts before you post, thanks.

At 13 Jun 2008 19:32:00 -0600 David Moyer wrote:

> > And of course you neglect to mention that you're going to be bound to
> > spend $1680 plus taxes and surcharges over the span of the minimum two
> > year contract you must agree to.
>
> and exactly the same as any other 3G cel phone.
>
> please check fact facts before you post, thanks.

Generally AT&T charges two rates for data, regardless of whether the phone
had 3G or not- the $20/month "MediaNet" plan for "feature" phones (no
physical keyboard) and $30/month for "smartphones" (with physical keyboard.)

So, no, the new iPhone Deux isn't paying the same rate as a typical AT&T
phone in it's class, but is paying the higher smartphone with keyboard
rate.

Ever try one of those "comfort height" toilets?

You GOTTA get one. Makes dropping an iPhone a pleasure.

Sign Me,

"Still trying to figure out how an iPhone will help me make phone calls. Not
trying to run a business from the palm of my hand, just want to make phone
calls. My Verizon phone works fine."

Dean


"David Moyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the planet.
>
> Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>
> "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
> than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
> device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described in
> How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons to
> ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
> before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
> computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once you've
> used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're settling
> on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
>
> much more here....
>
> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Dean wrote:

> Ever try one of those "comfort height" toilets?
>
> You GOTTA get one. Makes dropping an iPhone a pleasure.
>


Make sure it isn't a "low flow". Those you gotta flush twice.

On Jun 11, 2:30 am, David Moyer <[email protected]> wrote:
> Trust me, once you've used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows
> Mobile device you're settling on now will seem like ancient
> Soviet-era technology by comparison."

You mean until I try to copy/paste? :-)

Thanks, actually THREE times. That iPhone is a BIIIG turd.

Dean


"News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Dean wrote:
>
>> Ever try one of those "comfort height" toilets?
>>
>> You GOTTA get one. Makes dropping an iPhone a pleasure.
>>
>
>
> Make sure it isn't a "low flow". Those you gotta flush twice.