First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jim Mason <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
> >
> > Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?
>
> proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

Then I am sure they would subscribe to the relevant group then?

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jim Mason <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
> >
> > Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?
>
> proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

Then I am sure they would subscribe to the relevant group then?

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jim Mason <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
> >
> > Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?
>
> proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

Then I am sure they would subscribe to the relevant group then?

David Moyer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jim Mason <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
>> Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?
>
> proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.

David Moyer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jim Mason <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
>> Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?
>
> proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.

David Moyer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jim Mason <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
>> Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?
>
> proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.

David Moyer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jim Mason <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
>> Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?
>
> proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.

"nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:090720080057320236%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > - "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
>> > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
>> > example."
>>
>> Huh? There are lipstick-sized bluetooth GPS modules on keychains. The
>> "antenna isn't too small," the software just isn't there.
>
> yea, that one makes no sense.

Agreed. The sad part is when a technology JOURNALIST like Pogue lets crap
like that slide, and accepts it at face value. I'm not necessarily picking
on Apple here, either. I have a hard time believing Apple said anything of
the sort- I suspect Pogue misunderstood/miswrote whatever he was trying to
convey.

>> > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS
>>
>> Oh well, there's always iPhone 3.0, right?
>
> third parties have already demoed voice dialing, video recording and
> mms. perhaps bluetooth stereo could be added in firmware, although i
> do not think it's at the top of the list.

I wouldn't be surprised if third parties address the stereo AD2P situation
as well- many Windows Mobile-based devices received their first AD2P
profiles via third-party hacks.

While I rarely agree with Oxford about anything, he's correct that the most
important single advancement to the iPhone this coming Friday will not be
GPS, 3G or the new iPhone hardware itself, but the app store and it's
ability to deliver third party apps to all iPhones without Jailbreaking or
hacking. Friday the iPhone actually becomes what both the fanbois and
journalists have claimed it to be all along, but which it fell far short of
in reality- a mobile computing platform.

No company's "vision," not even Apple's, can anticipate all uses actual
USERS will have for a device, and as Windows Mobile, Palm, Symbian and RIM
developers have shown us, smartphones can be used for a myriad of things
their inventors NEVER anticipated!

Apple, with the iPhone's original release, made the same mistake Windows
Mobile and Palm did originally- envision these devices as peripherals
dependent on a desktop computer "mothership" as the source of all apps, PIM
data, files, etc. The original concept were that these devices were
portable "file viewers" that you used to take your PCs files with you in a
smaller package. When third-party developers pushed the limits of what
these devices could do, even the manufacturers woke up and realized that
they could also be used as mobile computers independent of an umbilical cord
tying them to a desktop PC.

To Apple's credit, it only took them one year to figure this out, rather
than the six or seven it took Microsoft to realize it! ;-) It'll be
interesting to see what developers can wring out of the iPhone's impressive
hardware, other than the plethora of recipe filing, biorhythm calculating,
calorie counting, etc. programs that amateur mobile developers seem to think
the world always needs one more of! ;-) Hopefully Dataviz (who made some
noise on their blog a few months ago about the fesability of developing for
Apple) will port their excellent Palm Docs-to-Go mobile office suite to the
iPhone and allow viewing/editing of Office documents on the phone itself, if
only so my buddy doesn't have to e-mail himself a pile of Word docs each
time he leaves for Europe!

Hello Oxford, I see that you are using a new pen name.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, David Moyer posted:
> - Sound is much improved. "In fact, few cellphones sound this good."

Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless
and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have
used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had better sound quality.

> - "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
> emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
> example."

Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just
about every user of a cell phone in Japan.

> - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS

Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.

> - "the really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store

Golly gee, just like what people on all other phones have had for many
years. Too bad it is crippled like Verizon's GetItNow, instead of being
open the way it is on Windows Mobile and any Java phone.

> - "it mostly keeps its promises."

Golly gee, "mostly"? Talk about damning with faint praise.

> - Battery drained much more quickly using 3G, as expected

Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
lasts longer in 3G.

> - Data speeds 3-5x faster than original iPhone

Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless
and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have
used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had faster data speeds.

> - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing

Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.

> - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
> day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
> older iPhone."

Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

David Moyer wrote:
> also quite decent - a sneak peek into the 2.0 software:
>
> I can't tell you how we got ahold of a first-generation iPhone loaded
> with version 2.0 of the iPhone operating system. What I can tell you
> is that if I do reveal this information, homicidal ninjas will come
> to my house and kill my family. Nevertheless, we do have one -- and
> we were able to take a look inside and find a few minute yet
> interesting changes. Here's a preview of some of the ways in which
> iPhone 2.0 differs from iPhone 1.0.
>
> iPhone 2.0, of course, is the operating system that will come
> preinstalled on iPhone 3G models when those start shipping on Friday,
> July 11. iPhone 2.0 will also be available as a free software upgrade
> to people who have first-generation iPhones.
>
> In the photo of the iPhone home screen, above, you'll notice at least
> two differences from the first-generation OS: there's a new Contacts
> application (on the old phone, contacts were accessible only via the
> "Phone" icon), and the long-awaited App Store is there (that's where
> you'll buy new iPhone-native software and games).
>
> And now, to the details...
>
> http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0...ive-sneak.html

It will be interesting to see if the draw/demand is there, like with the
first one.

My interest was in the Exchange active sync email (push) support,
but I think I read that it does not work when the link is "https"... which
is the normal setup.

Also - with respect to GSM vs CDMA -
It looks like Verizon might be heading away from CDMA EVDO data
and towards the GSM data world of LTE.

In article <[email protected]>, Mark
Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> > - "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
> > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
> > example."
>
> Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just
> about every user of a cell phone in Japan.

tomtom announced their software, and it would be surprising if it
didn't do turn by turn.

> > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS
>
> Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.

three of those have been announced already.

> > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing
>
> Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.

you already pointed those out, and other than the stereo bluetooth,
they exist or will exist.

> > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
> > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
> > older iPhone."
>
> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
> iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.

there are extended batteries available. most people only have one
battery with their cellphones, so in the grand scheme of things, it's
not a big deal that the battery can't be swapped on the fly. of
course, for someone who needs extended periods of battery use, then the
iphone might not be the best choice.

David Moyer <[email protected]> wrote in news:davmoy-79F964.22525308072008
@news.qwest.net:

> And Friday is the iPhoneûs second coming.
>
>

A truer statement was never posted to Usenet....

a religious event over a piece of electronic ****.

David Moyer <[email protected]> wrote in news:davmoy-03A09D.01111009072008
@news.qwest.net:

> - "According to Apple, the iPhoneûs G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
> emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
> example."
>

Biggest crock of horse**** I've seen yet over this PoS.....(c;

Very funny....Case in POINT:

http://www.slashphone.com/106/8137.html

That suction cup is less than an inch in diameter.

How big do you think its giant sized antenna is?

It powers WAYFINDER on Nokia phones and tablets...even from your watch
pocket in your jeans....

http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3779&lang=US

What a crock.....it's GPS antenna is HUGE!

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I wouldn't be surprised if third parties address the stereo AD2P
> situation as well- many Windows Mobile-based devices received their
> first AD2P profiles via third-party hacks.
>

While I'm reading this, I'm listening to 60's Carolina Beach Music on my
Motorola S9 playing MP3s on the microSD card in my MotoROKR Z6m.

I used the super sophisticated Windows Explorer custom software from
Windoze XP in click and drag mode to copy them from the G:\MP3\Beach Music
directory to the \Beach directory on the tiny microSD card pluged into an
SD adapter. 183 files copied to the card with no further intervention.

I then, quite unceremoniously, pulled the card out of the adapter and
plugged it into the top of the tiny phone.

Completely unknown to Motorola, who could really give a ****, these MP3
files play quite loudly with fantastic base in the rubber headphones,
drowning out the screams from my large parrots trying to get my attention
so I'll go give them a monkey biscuit treat they like in the late
afternoon.

No 3rd party software installed or crashed or crashed the pitiful operating
system in the ROKR playing these files or the Jimmy Buffett songs the ROKR
found in other directories.

Why can't a $600 FruitFone play beach music in these headphones this loud?

nospam <[email protected]> wrote in news:090720081433537611%
[email protected]lid:

> i'm not sure third parties can add bluetooth profiles, but if they can,
> all the better.
>
>

Next thing you know, you FruitFoners will want someone to install Bluetooth
Private Area Networking so you can steal music and movies off the 32GB SDHC
cards in my N800 over BT PAN or OBEX or FTP.

How awful....

You should be ashamed going behind Steve's back like that after all he
hasn't done for you!