Verizon takes a larger share of the wireless market

Dow Jones Newswires reports today that "Verizon didn't need the iPhone
after all."

Verizon added 1.5 million new customers in the second quarter, surpassing
Wall Street expectations and apparently taking a larger share of the USA
wireless market at the cost of AT&T and other rivals.

AT&T won't release its second quarter results until Wednesday, but is
expected to add 1.3 million.

Unlike AT&T, the vast majority of new Verizon customers sign long term
contracts. Verizon also routinely reports the industry's lowest churn.

Verizon's pending acquisition of Alltel will add 13 million to Verizon's
current 68.7 million customers, restoring its position as the USA's
leading carrier with 81.7 million customers.

AT&T had 71.4 customers milion at the end of the first quarter.

-- Mark --

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Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote in
news:alpine.OSX.1.10.0807221657120.710@pangtzu.pan da.com:

> Verizon's pending acquisition of Alltel will add 13 million to Verizon's
> current 68.7 million customers, restoring its position as the USA's
> leading carrier with 81.7 million customers.
>
>

I doubt it. When the Verizon bastards take over Alltel, they won't be able
to help themselves screwing it up with hobbleware phones and ultra-limited
data service. Most Alltel customers were former Verizon customers, here.
They fled Cellular One when GTE Wireless (now called Verizon) took over the
plant and tried to screw everyone with double rates for half the minutes.
I hung around GTE until Vodaphone came on the scene and Verizon Wireless
took over. The regional plans disappeared and we were forced to buy into
nationwide service at low minutes we didn't want and didn't need. Mass
churning was the results to Alltel whos system here is much better,
especially in the country on 800B cellular.

The very instant Verizon tries to shove their ****ty service down my throat
at god awful prices, I'll flee again, even if I have to abandon sellphones.
God I can't stand it when someone stands right in front of you and lies his
ass off....and KNOWS IT!.

Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:

> Dow Jones Newswires reports today that "Verizon didn't need the iPhone
> after all."
>
> Verizon added 1.5 million new customers in the second quarter, surpassing
> Wall Street expectations and apparently taking a larger share of the USA
> wireless market at the cost of AT&T and other rivals.
>
> AT&T won't release its second quarter results until Wednesday, but is
> expected to add 1.3 million.
>
> Unlike AT&T, the vast majority of new Verizon customers sign long term
> contracts. Verizon also routinely reports the industry's lowest churn.
>
> Verizon's pending acquisition of Alltel will add 13 million to Verizon's
> current 68.7 million customers, restoring its position as the USA's
> leading carrier with 81.7 million customers.
>
> AT&T had 71.4 customers milion at the end of the first quarter.
>
> -- Mark --

so Verizon has flat lined... thanks for pointing out how much of a
serious affect the iPhone is having to the poorly managed Verizon
business.

as they say, Verizon is doomed without access to the iPhone... this is
further proof.

Oxford <apony@pasture.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:apony-F5C90E.20541022072008@news.qwest.net:

> Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:
>
>> Dow Jones Newswires reports today that "Verizon didn't need the
>> iPhone after all."
>>
>> Verizon added 1.5 million new customers in the second quarter,
>> surpassing Wall Street expectations and apparently taking a larger
>> share of the USA wireless market at the cost of AT&T and other
>> rivals.
>>
>> AT&T won't release its second quarter results until Wednesday, but is
>> expected to add 1.3 million.
>>
>> Unlike AT&T, the vast majority of new Verizon customers sign long
>> term contracts. Verizon also routinely reports the industry's lowest
>> churn.
>>
>> Verizon's pending acquisition of Alltel will add 13 million to
>> Verizon's current 68.7 million customers, restoring its position as
>> the USA's leading carrier with 81.7 million customers.
>>
>> AT&T had 71.4 customers milion at the end of the first quarter.
>>
>> -- Mark --
>
> so Verizon has flat lined... thanks for pointing out how much of a
> serious affect the iPhone is having to the poorly managed Verizon
> business.
>
> as they say, Verizon is doomed without access to the iPhone... this is
> further proof.
>

Pray tell, little imbecile- how is adding 1.5 million new customers in a
quarter "flat lining"?

On 2008-07-23, The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
> Oxford <apony@pasture.com> amazed us all with the following in
> news:apony-F5C90E.20541022072008@news.qwest.net:
>
>> Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:
>>
>>> Dow Jones Newswires reports today that "Verizon didn't need the
>>> iPhone after all."
>>>
>>> Verizon added 1.5 million new customers in the second quarter,
>>> surpassing Wall Street expectations and apparently taking a larger
>>> share of the USA wireless market at the cost of AT&T and other
>>> rivals.
>>>
>>> AT&T won't release its second quarter results until Wednesday, but is
>>> expected to add 1.3 million.
>>>
>>> Unlike AT&T, the vast majority of new Verizon customers sign long
>>> term contracts. Verizon also routinely reports the industry's lowest
>>> churn.
>>>
>>> Verizon's pending acquisition of Alltel will add 13 million to
>>> Verizon's current 68.7 million customers, restoring its position as
>>> the USA's leading carrier with 81.7 million customers.
>>>
>>> AT&T had 71.4 customers milion at the end of the first quarter.
>>>
>>> -- Mark --
>>
>> so Verizon has flat lined... thanks for pointing out how much of a
>> serious affect the iPhone is having to the poorly managed Verizon
>> business.
>>
>> as they say, Verizon is doomed without access to the iPhone... this is
>> further proof.
>>
>
> Pray tell, little imbecile- how is adding 1.5 million new customers in a
> quarter "flat lining"?

Because they added 1.5 million new customers last quarter too? I
wouldn't call that "flat lining", but I guess on some planet it is.

Note that it shouldn't surprise anyone (or be interpreted as an
"iPhone effect") if AT&T adds significantly more than 1.3 million
total customers in the most recent quarter. I don't know why 1.3
million would be "expected". AT&T did add only 1.3 million net
customers in the previous quarter, but that included a one-time
not-to-be-repeated loss of 600,000 TDMA customers when they shut that
network down in February. A "normal" quarter for AT&T sees closer to
2 million customers added, if they do significantly less than that
this time around then something is really screwed up.

Dennis Ferguson

"Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:

> "Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
> news:apony-F5C90E.20541022072008@news.qwest.net...
> >
> > so Verizon has flat lined... thanks for pointing out how much of a
> > serious affect the iPhone is having to the poorly managed Verizon
> > business.
> >
> > as they say, Verizon is doomed without access to the iPhone... this is
> > further proof.
>
> Are you actually SERIOUS??
>
> And delusional - as always. Making something out of absolutely NOTHING!!
>
> The only thing the above proves is that you don't have a clue.

no, you are forgetting i only use facts...

Verizon has "flatlined" against Apple.

Here is absolute proof:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=VZ&t...z=m&q=l&c=aapl

Please learn about the facts next time...

The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:

> > so Verizon has flat lined... thanks for pointing out how much of a
> > serious affect the iPhone is having to the poorly managed Verizon
> > business.
> >
> > as they say, Verizon is doomed without access to the iPhone... this is
> > further proof.
> >
>
> Pray tell, little imbecile- how is adding 1.5 million new customers in a
> quarter "flat lining"?

because they can't make any money with their current approach.

apple is wiping them out at every turn, and there is nothing they can do
unless they win the iphone contract.

they are a company without a heartbeat... they have flatlined... i've
seen apple crush entire industries over the last few decades, and
verizon, being a small company with no quality offerings just isn't
strong enough to compete long term.

you'll see what i'm saying in about 4 years.

Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

> >> so Verizon has flat lined... thanks for pointing out how much of a
> >> serious affect the iPhone is having to the poorly managed Verizon
> >> business.
> >>
> >> as they say, Verizon is doomed without access to the iPhone... this is
> >> further proof.
> >>
> >
> > Pray tell, little imbecile- how is adding 1.5 million new customers in a
> > quarter "flat lining"?
>
> Because they added 1.5 million new customers last quarter too? I
> wouldn't call that "flat lining", but I guess on some planet it is.

they can add all the customers they want, but if they can't increase
revenue, they have flatlined.

see DeLL for the perfect example of this same failed approach.

> Note that it shouldn't surprise anyone (or be interpreted as an
> "iPhone effect") if AT&T adds significantly more than 1.3 million
> total customers in the most recent quarter. I don't know why 1.3
> million would be "expected". AT&T did add only 1.3 million net
> customers in the previous quarter, but that included a one-time
> not-to-be-repeated loss of 600,000 TDMA customers when they shut that
> network down in February. A "normal" quarter for AT&T sees closer to
> 2 million customers added, if they do significantly less than that
> this time around then something is really screwed up.

yes, and iphone customers are the cream of the entire cell market since
they have real money and are smarter about products than verizon users.

"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message news:apony-E509B7.22572322072008@news.qwest.net...
> verizon, being a small company with no quality offerings just isn't
> strong enough to compete long term.
>

>

You are a goddam idiot.

Vodaphone / Verizon is a "small company"??

It is amazing the crap you pull out of your ass...

"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message news:apony-61F261.22503222072008@news.qwest.net...
> "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
>
>> "Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
>> news:apony-F5C90E.20541022072008@news.qwest.net...
>> >
>> > so Verizon has flat lined... thanks for pointing out how much of a
>> > serious affect the iPhone is having to the poorly managed Verizon
>> > business.
>> >
>> > as they say, Verizon is doomed without access to the iPhone... this is
>> > further proof.
>>
>> Are you actually SERIOUS??
>>
>> And delusional - as always. Making something out of absolutely NOTHING!!
>>
>> The only thing the above proves is that you don't have a clue.
>
> no, you are forgetting i only use facts...
>
> Verizon has "flatlined" against Apple.
>
> Here is absolute proof:
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=VZ&t...z=m&q=l&c=aapl
>
> Please learn about the facts next time...

As always - ZERO "proof"..... (and zero "fact")...

Just some figures taken totally out of context.

Mainly because you are comparing oranges to bowling balls...
A hardware and software company being compared to a telecom
Totally different sectors - and totally different market influences.

You remain - an idiot!

And, BTW, Apple took a big hit today, if you hadn't noticed...

Mark Crispin wrote:
> Dow Jones Newswires reports today that "Verizon didn't need the iPhone
> after all."

<snip>

Yeah, but just think of those numbers with another million or so iPhone
customers.

In any case, Verizon has had both more retail customers, and more total
customers, than AT&T for a long time. The way AT&T inflates is numbers
is with the large number of MVNO customers using services like Tracfone.

I'm not sure how much being the largest carrier helps in marketing.
People look at independent surveys of coverage and quality, where AT&T
is usually third or fourth, and Verizon and Alltel are always first.

Dennis Ferguson wrote:

> Note that it shouldn't surprise anyone (or be interpreted as an
> "iPhone effect") if AT&T adds significantly more than 1.3 million
> total customers in the most recent quarter. I don't know why 1.3
> million would be "expected". AT&T did add only 1.3 million net
> customers in the previous quarter, but that included a one-time
> not-to-be-repeated loss of 600,000 TDMA customers when they shut that
> network down in February.

Did a larger percentage of those 600K customers go elsewhere?

A "normal" quarter for AT&T sees closer to
> 2 million customers added, if they do significantly less than that
> this time around then something is really screwed up.

4Q2007 they added 2.7 million (though unlike Verizon, a large number of
these were prepaid and MVNO).

2Q2007 they were at 1.5 million additions. Since 4Q includes Xmas and
the numbers are higher than in 2Q.

[Removing alt.cellular.cingular, Cingular no longer exists]

Oxford wrote:
> Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:
>
>> Dow Jones Newswires reports today that "Verizon didn't need the iPhone
>> after all."
>>
>> Verizon added 1.5 million new customers in the second quarter, surpassing
>> Wall Street expectations and apparently taking a larger share of the USA
>> wireless market at the cost of AT&T and other rivals.
>>
>> AT&T won't release its second quarter results until Wednesday, but is
>> expected to add 1.3 million.
>>
>> Unlike AT&T, the vast majority of new Verizon customers sign long term
>> contracts. Verizon also routinely reports the industry's lowest churn.
>>
>> Verizon's pending acquisition of Alltel will add 13 million to Verizon's
>> current 68.7 million customers, restoring its position as the USA's
>> leading carrier with 81.7 million customers.
>>
>> AT&T had 71.4 customers milion at the end of the first quarter.
>>
>> -- Mark --
>
> so Verizon has flat lined... thanks for pointing out how much of a
> serious affect the iPhone is having to the poorly managed Verizon
> business.
>
> as they say, Verizon is doomed without access to the iPhone... this is
> further proof.

Aren't you making the assumption that everyone does, or will, want an
iPhone?

Some of us couldn't care less about music, videos, or spending good
money to buy the latest whiz-bang! Some of us only have a cell phone in
case of emergency. I doubt if I use ten minutes a month but it's there
if I should need it!

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:NiEhk.13181$LG4.12516@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com:



>
> [Removing alt.cellular.cingular, Cingular no longer exists]

Neither does AT&T Wireless, the group you are currently using. Quit trying
to be a Navas by forcing people to do things your way because you know
what's best for all of us.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, SMS posted:
> Mark Crispin wrote:
>> Dow Jones Newswires reports today that "Verizon didn't need the iPhone
>> after all."
> Yeah, but just think of those numbers with another million or so iPhone
> customers.

That assumes that a company wants to have a million fanboys as customers.
If each fanboy drives away an average of 5 non-fanboys, the result is a
loss of 4 million.

This is why the companies that go for iPhone tend to be the second-rates
in their respective markets (AT&T in the US, Rogers in Canada, O2 in the
UK, SoftBank in Japan, etc.). They need the surge of fanboys in order to
finance a build-up of their network so they can reasonably compete with
the top carrier.

But once that build-up happens, they need to get rid of the fanboys in
order to attract the more profitable business customers, typically by
spawning a wholely-owned MVNO whose sole purpose is to be a bucket for a
market segment that you want to isolate from the rest of the business.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.