BlackBerry pushed out at AT&T for iPhone?

Mike Hofman <[email protected]> wrote in news:489f6ebc$0$89875$815e3792
@news.qwest.net:

> this is old news, and good to have in case something goes wrong with an
> app. Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
> relax.
>
>

What if there's a falling out with the developer and the developer cancels
their agreement and licensing with the App Store nonsense? You don't own
the app, just a limited license to use it. That license is now suspended
because the developer got fed up being treated like chattel and he has
gotten a court to order it shut off. Your app simply stops working?

Poo poo it all you like, but I don't like the implications of someone at
the company, any company, just being able to shut me off like a sellphone
company.....the business model for all this, I'm sure.

Sellphone apps on regular sellphones are similarly controlled, are they
not? I never had control over the wap-crap browser I had to RENT BY THE
MONTH to use!

What's to keep Apple from making its apps Sellphone apps and renting them
to you for fun and profits by the month on your ATT bill? Is the current
billing system just in beta testing?? It's an interesting thought because
that's EXACTLY what Sellphone companies do with OTHER Sellphone
software....rent it to you by the month.

This sucks......iPhone is FIRST and FOREMOST another SELLphone!


Come on, guys, quit propagating this iPhone stuff to Verizon! Take Verizon
out of the group list on all postings.

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News <[email protected]> wrote in news:Y-2dnWdyqsK-
[email protected]:

>>
>> you know better than that. Just deletes the blackballed app.
>
>
> Right.... like AAPL phone deleted iTrash v.1 unlocking attempts?
>

I wouldn't be concerned about them shutting down apps they sell NEAR as
much as I would be them converting the App Store to the SAME kind of
business plan used on other sellphones.....

Case in point......

I have an unlimited data plan on a Motorola Z6m on Alltel. BUT, alas, I
cannot USE the BREW browser in the phone unless I RENT the browser by the
month to use on the data! The browser is RENTAL, either by the day or by
the month that's installed in my ROKR. I can't look at anything without
paying a RENTAL FEE to use this stupid little, AWFUL, browser program.

With this kind of control from Apple, there's nothing to prevent them from
switching you all to a similar RENTAL program and adding a $2.99/month fee
to your ATT bill to play Monkey Balls. If you don't pay, you don't PLAY!
You didn't BUY Monkey Balls, you just bought a license to use it. That all
could become a really impressive revenue stream for Apple and the
developers at the click of a one-button mouse!

We'll sell you a "game package" and a "business package" and a "picture
package"....like Verizon does forcing you to message send the pictures for
50c each, instead of just copying them to the memory card for free.

Yecch....this sucks.

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:09:15 -0400, News <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>Ron wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:26:34 -0400, News <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Ron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:46:35 -0700, "Ness-Net"
>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Another reason to not trust an iPhone - (or Apple for that matter).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>A researcher has discovered a URL buried in the iPhone hardware that
>>>>>appears to point to an application blacklist - potentially allowing Apple to
>>>>>retroactively remove applications it decides no longer fit the bill.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08...mote_app_wipe/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You wouldnt want an app that can turn your Iphone into a secret Sonar
>>>>device like Batman used, now would you?
>>>
>>>
>>>Or iTrash to iBrick?
>>
>>
>> you know better than that. Just deletes the blackballed app.
>
>
>Right.... like AAPL phone deleted iTrash v.1 unlocking attempts?

They did not do that remotely, and you KNOW that.
You and your posts are the TRASH, not the iPhone or APple.

PLONK

Ron wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:09:15 -0400, News <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Ron wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:26:34 -0400, News <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:46:35 -0700, "Ness-Net"
>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Another reason to not trust an iPhone - (or Apple for that matter).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A researcher has discovered a URL buried in the iPhone hardware that
>>>>>>appears to point to an application blacklist - potentially allowing Apple to
>>>>>>retroactively remove applications it decides no longer fit the bill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08...mote_app_wipe/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You wouldnt want an app that can turn your Iphone into a secret Sonar
>>>>>device like Batman used, now would you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Or iTrash to iBrick?
>>>
>>>
>>>you know better than that. Just deletes the blackballed app.
>>
>>
>>Right.... like AAPL phone deleted iTrash v.1 unlocking attempts?
>
>
> They did not do that remotely, and you KNOW that.


AAPL pushed the update that disabled the unlocking.

'Nuf said, and you KNOW THAT, moron.

"Bill Kearney" <[email protected]> wrote:

> >Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
> > relax.
>
> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break the
> phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.

when has that ever happened? answer: never

NEW YORK (Reuters) - For the first time Research In Motion Ltd's
BlackBerry cornered 10 percent of U.S. cell phone sales in the second
quarter in a market that grew more than 5 percent

The research firm said Canada's RIM was seeing huge success with
both consumer and enterprise handsets in the United states where total
mobile phone shipments rose 5.3 percent to 41.9 million units from 39.8
million in the second quarter of 2007

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...33824020080811

Justin <[email protected]> wrote:

> > this is old news, and good to have in case something goes wrong with an
> > app. Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
> > relax.
>
> Their definition of "needed" probably doesn't coincide with everyone
> elses.

no, Apple is very much based on karma, so if a harmful trojan type of
app is found, it can be turned off. Everyone benefits that way.

> I.e. this app is helping people too much, zap.

no, Apple does operate like that. Sounds like you don't yet use Apple
products.

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:45:58 -0500, Justin <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Mike Hofman wrote on [Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:34:43 -0600]:
>> "Bill Kearney" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> >Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>>> > relax.
>>>
>>> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break the
>>> phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.
>>
>> when has that ever happened? answer: never
>
>Mac News: Mac Apps: Mozilla Chief: Safari Push Borders on Malware
>Tactics
>"This scenario may seem innocuous enough until it comes to light that
>Windows operating system users who didn't have any version of Safari
>already installed got the pre-checked option to install it anyway. It
>all happened through a program that's presumably all about software
>updates and not about installing brand-new applications."
>http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/62269.html
>

This is an old story, and Apple has already backed off of delivering
Safari that way.

However, Yahoo, Google, and Ask deliver Browser toolbar modifactions
the same way still to this day.

Bill Kearney wrote:
>> Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>> relax.
>
> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break
> the phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.

Just like they did with the original iPhone to brick the ones that were
unlocked. It's like buying a computer with its own built in malware
generator.

Ness-Net wrote:
> NEW YORK (Reuters) - For the first time Research In Motion Ltd's
> BlackBerry cornered 10 percent of U.S. cell phone sales in the second
> quarter in a market that grew more than 5 percent
> The research firm said Canada's RIM was seeing huge success with both
> consumer and enterprise handsets in the United states where total mobile
> phone shipments rose 5.3 percent to 41.9 million units from 39.8 million
> in the second quarter of 2007

The Blackberry serves both the consumer and enterprise markets, while
the iPhone isn't usable by most enterprises due to its limited
application suite. The most used Blackberry applications by corporate
users are either completely unavailable on the iPhone, or are much
poorer implementations of those applications. However Apple isn't likely
to keep it this way forever. The next generation iPhone will probably
rectify these problems,

SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:yq_nk.21207$N87.3543
@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:

> The next generation iPhone will probably
> rectify these problems,
>

It'll come with Netshare installed?

Not likely....not if ATT has their way....

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:08:27 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Bill Kearney wrote:
>>> Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>>> relax.
>>
>> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break
>> the phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.
>
>Just like they did with the original iPhone to brick the ones that were
>unlocked. It's like buying a computer with its own built in malware
>generator.


Like Windows Vista that locks up if it doesnt like your key code?

Or Adobe apps that phone home with spyware?


If you're silly enough to hack the iphone, and then download an update
its on you, not Apple.

On 2008-08-11, Mike Hofman <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Bill Kearney" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>> > relax.
>>
>> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break the
>> phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.
>
> when has that ever happened? answer: never

That's a lie.

I have only *EVER* wanted QuickTime on the computers I own, but for a while,
you could not install it without also installing iTunes.

Fortunately, AAPL fixed that problem.

--
Steve Sobol / Victorville, CA, USA
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.

Larry wrote:
>
> This sucks......iPhone is FIRST and FOREMOST another SELLphone!

Yeah yeah, we get it already. My God, Larry, you're starting to be like
a broken record.

Last time I looked, not too many people are smart enough or have enough
resources and time to design and build their own phones. So that means
if you want one, you have to BUY it. Which means some company has to
SELL it.

All phones (cellular or landline) and Internet access device (including
your beloved Nokia N80) are *sold* by some company or another. So please
stop with the sophomoric "SELLphone" crap. By definition every phone is
a "SELL" phone.

Mike Hofman wrote:
> "Bill Kearney" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>>> relax.
>> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break the
>> phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.
>
> when has that ever happened? answer: never

You're right, but Bill must have really meant "breaks my illegally
hacked and jailbroken phone." He's as much as admitting he's a criminal.