iPhone Firmware Update 2.02 released

MC <[email protected]> wrote in news:copespaz-A4C331.22503118082008
@news.motzarella.org:

> I installed it - don't see any difference.
>

No cut and paste yet, eh?

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In case anyone wasn't aware. Haven't really tested for what it
might fix yet.

DGI

In article <[email protected]>,
David G. Imber <[email protected]> wrote:

> In case anyone wasn't aware. Haven't really tested for what it
> might fix yet.

I installed it - don't see any difference.

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we have in Hollywood."
Ned Beatty

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected]r says...

> A few people have reported that it improves the 3G connection, but many,
> many more (including me) report that it makes the 3G problem WORSE.
>

Here is a link to a round-up of the 3G connectivity problems:

http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2008/08/1...ivity-failure-
roundup/

Watch out for wrap in the link as posted.

Or you can use this TinyURL link:

http://tinyurl.com/6gjz8j


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NightStalker

NightStalker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> My recommendation - wait for the next update and skip 2.0.2
>

One more time....SOFTWARE is NOT going to fix defective HARDWARE, not now,
not ever....

The radio problem in iPhone is an ANALOG problem....****ty antennas feeding
multipath to poorly designed and implemented receivers.....and, of course,
PROPAGATION PHYSICS eating high speed data with timing errors, every time.

Don't wait for another software patch. Wait for the class action suit to
force a RECALL!

Every user should have taken the defective product BACK to Apple or the ATT
store WITHIN the return policy period.....

Now you'll have to wait for the lawyers to force them....which could take
years of footdragging.

NightStalker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2008/08/1...ivity-failure-

Those sneaky Cnet bastards rubbing salt in an open wound.....
When I clicked up the URL, a BLACKBERRY movie ad popped up....right at the
top of the screen!

I wonder how much that cost the RIMM investors....(c;

Too funny....

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> One more time....SOFTWARE is NOT going to fix defective HARDWARE, not now,
> not ever....

incorrect as usual larry. software can fix most any hardware issue. plus
it's very doubtful there is bad hardware, looks more like a combination
of att's bandwidth, apple's software and the infineon chip, any of which
is fixable in the field.

> The radio problem in iPhone is an ANALOG problem....****ty antennas feeding
> multipath to poorly designed and implemented receivers.....and, of course,
> PROPAGATION PHYSICS eating high speed data with timing errors, every time.
>
> Don't wait for another software patch. Wait for the class action suit to
> force a RECALL!

apple always does the right thing, so no need to complain until apple
fixes the issue. it seems to be a very limited set of people having
issues, 50,000 or less which while not great, still means 3,950,000 3G
owners are quite happy with the device.

At 20 Aug 2008 00:27:59 +0000 Larry wrote:

> One more time....SOFTWARE is NOT going to fix defective HARDWARE, not
now,
> not ever....


Depends on the defect- often software can "patch" the symptom, which solves
the problem.

Besides, since so many chipsets themselves have flashable code on them,
it's hard to know wher the "hardware" ends and the "firmware" begins these
days.

> The radio problem in iPhone is an ANALOG problem....****ty antennas
feeding
> multipath to poorly designed and implemented receivers.....and, of
course,
> PROPAGATION PHYSICS eating high speed data with timing errors, every time.


Not much different than any number of tiny phones cramming in several
different radios transmitting and receiving half-a-dozen bands. My Tilt is
quadband GSM, tri-band UMTS, WiFi, BT, and GPS, just lke an iPhone. It's
WiFi and BT range are limited compared to my laptop, the GPS receiver seems
slighly less sensitive than my BT puck, and it's phone reception, while not
lousy, certainly isn't Nokia quality. But then again, the scissors and
screwdriver on my Swiss Army Knife aren't that great either- convenience
and convergence comes with a price!

> Don't wait for another software patch. Wait for the class action suit to
> force a RECALL!
>
> Every user should have taken the defective product BACK to Apple or the
ATT
> store WITHIN the return policy period.....
>
> Now you'll have to wait for the lawyers to force them....which could take
> years of footdragging.


And after the $500 million dollar lawsuit is settled, the lawyers keep
half, and the affected consumers get a "$25 off an iPhone 4G" coupon...

As a law school prof I know jokes, "a class-action lawsuit is like a river
of money, and the lawyer's job is to wade in and fill as many buckets as he
can..."

In message <[email protected]> Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Depends on the defect- often software can "patch" the symptom, which solves
>the problem.
>
>Besides, since so many chipsets themselves have flashable code on them,
>it's hard to know wher the "hardware" ends and the "firmware" begins these
>days.

Indeed -- In this case, imagine that the only problem is that the iPhone
doesn't use enough power transmitting due to poor traces between the
chipset and antenna.

It might be possible to recalibrate the amount of power used to resolve
the issue.

On the other hand, if it's an actual hardware detect that software
cannot compensate, it will be interesting to see how/if Apple handles
it.

In message <[email protected]> David Moyer
<[email protected]> wrote:

>apple always does the right thing, so no need to complain until apple
>fixes the issue. it seems to be a very limited set of people having
>issues, 50,000 or less which while not great, still means 3,950,000 3G
>owners are quite happy with the device.

Always does the right thing?

Like making iPod Touch users pay to have product defects fixed? Is that
your definition of "the right thing?

DevilsPGD <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On the other hand, if it's an actual hardware detect that software
> cannot compensate, it will be interesting to see how/if Apple handles
> it.
>
>

Can you imagine how much a recall of 3 million 3G's will cost them?

They are also in trouble with the Nano melting or catching fire.

Glad I sold it....Someone's gonna take a real bath if Stevie can't bull****
his way out of recalls.

In article <[email protected]>, Larry
<[email protected]> wrote:

> NightStalker <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > My recommendation - wait for the next update and skip 2.0.2
> >
>
> One more time....SOFTWARE is NOT going to fix defective HARDWARE, not now,
> not ever....

and you know this how? did you take apart one and determine the cause
and a fix? didn't think so.

there is nothing conclusive that says whether it's hardware, software
or a combination thereof. a financial analyst claimed it's hardware,
but this same guy claimed last year's iphone had a defective screen,
something which turned out to be false. not a whole lot of credibility
there.

> The radio problem in iPhone is an ANALOG problem....****ty antennas feeding
> multipath to poorly designed and implemented receivers.....and, of course,
> PROPAGATION PHYSICS eating high speed data with timing errors, every time.

exactly what is the error rate? did you buy one and put it on a test
bench? let's see some numbers. oh wait, you don't have any.

In article <[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Like making iPod Touch users pay to have product defects fixed? Is that
> your definition of "the right thing?

what defect was that?

DevilsPGD <[email protected]> wrote:

> >apple always does the right thing, so no need to complain until apple
> >fixes the issue. it seems to be a very limited set of people having
> >issues, 50,000 or less which while not great, still means 3,950,000 3G
> >owners are quite happy with the device.
>
> Always does the right thing?
>
> Like making iPod Touch users pay to have product defects fixed? Is that
> your definition of "the right thing?

Apple has no choice, "It's the LAW".

The logic is something like "If it enhances the product, it has to carry
a price". Otherwise, if you accounted for the sale of your product on
your balance sheet and later enhance the functionality, it means that
your balance sheet was not correct because the product was not finished,
and therefore you accounted too little. so now, all US companies must
legally charge for upgrades. you can thank Enron for the mess.

read all about it here.

http://snipurl.com/3i1ru

or

http://michaelmistretta.com/2008/why...ipod-touch-upg
rade/

"It's the law. Unfortunately, there is a horrible little law called
Sarbanes-Oxley, that legally doesn't allow you to add features to
products that you have already been paid for. Apple couldn't add
features for free. They had to charge something for them. Apple has
gotten around this for the iPhone and AppleTV, by accounting for their
payments over the course of 24 months. This means that they can keep
adding new features to your iPhone or AppleTV for free for up to two
years. They didn't use this accounting method for the iPod Touch
however. This means that legally, they can't just add apps to the iPod
Touch for free."

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> They are also in trouble with the Nano melting or catching fire.

there have only been 3 nanos with this problem out of millions, so it's
less than a $300 problem, and besides, sony would have to pay, not apple.