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Ron wrote:
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> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38996/118/

Thank goodness for early adopters that rush out and buy new gadgets
before they're debugged!

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:34:35 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Ron wrote:
>>
>> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38996/118/
>
>Thank goodness for early adopters that rush out and buy new gadgets
>before they're debugged!


Based on the grief I had with 3g and ATT phones last year,
I blame it on ATT's network.

Ron wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:34:35 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Ron wrote:
>>> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38996/118/
>> Thank goodness for early adopters that rush out and buy new gadgets
>> before they're debugged!
>
>
> Based on the grief I had with 3g and ATT phones last year,
> I blame it on ATT's network.

It's happening all over the world, not just with AT&T.

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:11:57 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Ron wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:34:35 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ron wrote:
>>>> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38996/118/
>>> Thank goodness for early adopters that rush out and buy new gadgets
>>> before they're debugged!
>>
>>
>> Based on the grief I had with 3g and ATT phones last year,
>> I blame it on ATT's network.
>
>It's happening all over the world, not just with AT&T.


It's happening with all ATT phones not just the iPhone 3G.

Ron <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news:[email protected]:

> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:11:57 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Ron wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:34:35 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ron wrote:
>>>>> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38996/118/
>>>> Thank goodness for early adopters that rush out and buy new gadgets
>>>> before they're debugged!
>>>
>>>
>>> Based on the grief I had with 3g and ATT phones last year,
>>> I blame it on ATT's network.
>>
>>It's happening all over the world, not just with AT&T.
>
>
> It's happening with all ATT phones not just the iPhone 3G.
>

Actually, not it's not. Please provide a link to any independent article
making the same claim that all AT&T phones are having the same issue.

I won't hold my breath.

The Bob wrote:

> Actually, not it's not. Please provide a link to any independent article
> making the same claim that all AT&T phones are having the same issue.
>
> I won't hold my breath.

"http://gizmodo.com/5039611/blackberry-bold-plagued-by-same-3g-problems-as-iphone"

The most likely scenario is that in the U.S. it's a combination of
network issues and phone issues, but in the European countries with
robust 3G networks that it's strictly a phone issue.

In any case, it's best to hold up on purchasing 3G GSM phones in the
U.S. until the network and phone problems are corrected. No need to be a
guinea pig while the big boys sort this all out.

SMS <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news:[email protected]:

> The Bob wrote:
>
>> Actually, not it's not. Please provide a link to any independent
>> article making the same claim that all AT&T phones are having the
>> same issue.
>>
>> I won't hold my breath.
>
> "http://gizmodo.com/5039611/blackberry-bold-plagued-by-same-3g-problems
> -as-iphone"
>
> The most likely scenario is that in the U.S. it's a combination of
> network issues and phone issues, but in the European countries with
> robust 3G networks that it's strictly a phone issue.


Awful convenient to be willing to blame the problem on network in one
country and yet blame the phone in others.

And why would the "most likely scenario" include additional UNPROVEN
variables only in the US? Answer- Steve hate AT&T.

> In any case, it's best to hold up on purchasing 3G GSM phones in the U.S.
> until the network and phone problems are corrected. No need to be a guinea
> pig while the big boys sort this all out.

If a sample size of one is relevant (which it isn't), I've had very good
experiences with the 3G iPhone up & down the San Francisco Peninsula, as
well as both Madison and Waterloo, Wisconsin. 3G doesn't work in the
farmland between Madison & Waterloo, but it does fall back to the Edge
network quite gracefully. I had no disconnected phone calls, and only a
couple of "server timeouts" that occur when surfing the 'net without a
useful connection.

So far, it's been a very useful gadget. First Apple product I've bought
since a Mac 512 many, many years ago. But perhaps my expectations are too
low to recognize its limitations.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA



"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The Bob wrote:
>
>> Actually, not it's not. Please provide a link to any independent article
>> making the same claim that all AT&T phones are having the same issue.
>>
>> I won't hold my breath.
>
> "http://gizmodo.com/5039611/blackberry-bold-plagued-by-same-3g-problems-as-iphone"
>
> The most likely scenario is that in the U.S. it's a combination of network
> issues and phone issues, but in the European countries with robust 3G
> networks that it's strictly a phone issue.
>
> In any case, it's best to hold up on purchasing 3G GSM phones in the U.S.
> until the network and phone problems are corrected. No need to be a guinea
> pig while the big boys sort this all out.

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:49:55 -0500, The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:

>Ron <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:11:57 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Ron wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:34:35 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ron wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38996/118/
>>>>> Thank goodness for early adopters that rush out and buy new gadgets
>>>>> before they're debugged!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Based on the grief I had with 3g and ATT phones last year,
>>>> I blame it on ATT's network.
>>>
>>>It's happening all over the world, not just with AT&T.
>>
>>
>> It's happening with all ATT phones not just the iPhone 3G.
>>
>
>Actually, not it's not. Please provide a link to any independent article
>making the same claim that all AT&T phones are having the same issue.
>
>I won't hold my breath.


Here you go.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....392&tstart=210

Ron <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news[email protected]:

> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:49:55 -0500, The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Ron <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:11:57 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ron wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:34:35 -0700, SMS
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38996/118/
>>>>>> Thank goodness for early adopters that rush out and buy new
>>>>>> gadgets before they're debugged!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on the grief I had with 3g and ATT phones last year,
>>>>> I blame it on ATT's network.
>>>>
>>>>It's happening all over the world, not just with AT&T.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's happening with all ATT phones not just the iPhone 3G.
>>>
>>
>>Actually, not it's not. Please provide a link to any independent
>>article making the same claim that all AT&T phones are having the same
>>issue.
>>
>>I won't hold my breath.
>
>
> Here you go.
>
> http://discussions.apple.com/thread....392&tstart=210
>

I'll assume that you missed the word INDEPENDENT in my last post.

Ron <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
>
> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38996/118/
>
>

LET THE GAMES BEGIN!.....(c;

There'll be lines outside the ATT store when it opens, like last time, but
I bet the employees will be, well, "less friendly"...(c;

Ron <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>>It's happening all over the world, not just with AT&T.
>
>
> It's happening with all ATT phones not just the iPhone 3G.
>
>

This all sounds like them saying HIV causes AIDS. If HIV causes AIDS, all
AIDS patients would test positive for HIV. They don't. And, conversely,
all HIV positive people would get AIDS, which has just never been the
case....

Apple and ATT are BOTH to blame! Apple for rushing the product to market
with poor QC and debugging.....ATT for slapping up just a few towers near
the Apple stores and their own stores with 3G service on them, hoping noone
will notice the difference.

Now, they BOTH should be paying the price......

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:11:57 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>It's happening all over the world, not just with AT&T.


So I've heard, but check this out: This may be a little hazy
for those unfamiliar with NYC, but I live in Manhattan and have been
having most of the usual problems with my iPhone 3G. No problems
calling or receiving calls, as far as I can tell, and no dropped
calls, but data has been the pits. Web sites won't load or crap out
halfway, mail "connects" endlessly before giving up, can receive (just
barely) but can't send, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

Today I had to travel throughout Queens, the large, spread-out
borough immediately east of Manhattan. Wherever I went, and I covered
a very wide area, my iPhone gave me a full five bars of 3G, fast (~600
kbps) web access, immediate mail sending and receiving, and so on. Of
course I had other business to conduct, so wasn't checking the signal
constantly, but the phone seemed to work perfectly wherever I did
check it.

I return to Manhattan, and everything is back as it was - zero
to two bars, dropping to Edge, can't send mail, etc.

So what does that say? You tell me. But I can tell you it was
the same device in both places. In Queens, where population and tall
buildings are far less dense, the thing works like a champ. In
Manhattan it intermittently works, but largely sucks.

This doesn't really sound like a defective device, does it?
Sounds more like either a network problem or a problem with the way
the device coordinates with the network, or the way it works in an
environment where the network is more heavily taxed, or... As I say,
you tell me.

DGI

The Bob wrote:

> Awful convenient to be willing to blame the problem on network in one
> country and yet blame the phone in others.

It's simple logic. In the U.S., the 3G GSM phones all have problems, so
there must be a network problem, but in the ROW only the iPhone 3G is
having problems, so there must be a phone problem.

There's no rush. Wait until AT&T gets their 3G network up to speed, and
wait until Apple solves the iPhone 3G issues. Neither should take all
that long. Six months from now it'll all probably be working fine.