iPhone users get BBC radio downloads

On 2008-09-24 13:10:40 -0500, 4phun <[email protected]> said:

> iPhone users get BBC radio downloads
> By James Sherwood
> 24th September 2008 13:21 GMT
>
> The BBC has confirmed that its radio programmes can now be accessed on-
> demand through the iPhone and iPod Touch.
>
> Radio fans can listen to radio shows up to seven days after they were
> broadcast. Shows come in MP3 format and are compressed to 128kb/s.
>
>
> Mark Friend of the BBC said in offcial blog that punters must download
> the shows through iPlayer and over a Wi-Fi connection, but there was
> no specific mention made to the iPhone 3G.
>
> Friend added that the availability of BBC radio shows on-demand to
> iPhone and iPod Touch users is thanks to the organisationÕs Òfuture
> media teams,Ó whoÕve adapted audio formats to suit the Apple devices.
>
> It was also mentioned that the BBC plans to start rolling out radio on-
> demand to other portable devices soon, but exactly which devices
> hasn't been mentioned.

This is good news, but Auntie needs to let us in the colonies "listen
again" as well. I can live without TV content, but I really would like
to get radio like I can now on my computer or my wifi radio.
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On 28-Nov-2008, Boston Blackie <[email protected]> wrote:

> > The BBC has confirmed that its radio programmes can now be accessed on-
> > demand through the iPhone and iPod Touch.

Do you use the BBC iPlayer on the iPhone, or do you access a BBC web page?

If you use their iPlayer, where do you get it?

C. Sowash wrote:

> If you use their iPlayer, where do you get it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer loads a special page in the iToy/iPod Touch
and a flash page for the PC.

Only works in the UK, it's Geo-locked.

--
Adrian C

"C. Sowash" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Do you use the BBC iPlayer on the iPhone, or do you access a BBC web
> page?
>
> If you use their iPlayer, where do you get it?
>

Web based.... It's not an app.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/

I don't understand how you iPhone guys are going to play it. Instead of
booting a Realmedia player real BBC does, it boots a Flash player that
crashes my Nokia N800's Flash 9 player every time. It plays just fine
on the WinXP PC with the latest Flash player on it....a very quick way
to bypass all the webpages to play a BBC channel quickly.

The Realmedia plays fine on my Linux tablet's Realplayer so that doesn't
matter the iplayer crashes it. The BBC channels are stored in my Media
player for bypass access without a web browser at all. Works great.

The Flash player version has great sound, as one would expect from BBC.
I'm listening to Radio 2 on it as I type this. The TV channels are the
ones restricted to UK users ONLY. You get a message:



Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK
only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. Why?

If you are in the UK and see this message please read this advice.

Go to Radio channels home page


when you try to directly connect to them from outside the UK. However,
you CAN watch BBC TV if you simply have a UK proxy redirector to give
BBC a UK IP to connect the streams to. I hate to miss the Buzzcocks...
(c;

http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.u...mmes/told_not_
in_uk

It's a pretty simple IP recognition scheme. (Did I ***** Scheme
right??)

"C. Sowash" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Do you use the BBC iPlayer on the iPhone, or do you access a BBC web
> page?
>
> If you use their iPlayer, where do you get it?
>

You all might try the simple mobile links like:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-
bin/education/betsie/parser.pl/0005/www.bbc.co.uk
/iplayer/bbc_radio_two

....substituting the two for the channel you want instead. This really
quick way to play BBC Radio gets it to a text-only mode. There are
clickable links to all the radio stations from this website, too. I
have it stored on my N800 Linux tablet's bookmarks because I like Radio
2 programmes (note the proper *****ing) and this is the quickest mobile
way to get to them, directly.

give that a try and bookmark your fav radio station as a starting point
from this WAP website with the parser.pl.

Hope this gets you what you want. BBC is very complex and sometimes
hard to navigate.

On 2008-11-30, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> Web based.... It's not an app.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/
>
> I don't understand how you iPhone guys are going to play it.

What's to understand? It's available in the common H264 format as is
standard for digital TV and as supported natively by the iPhone.
Click it, watch it. What's the question?

On 2008-11-29 21:35:53 -0600, Larry <[email protected]> said:

> "C. Sowash" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Do you use the BBC iPlayer on the iPhone, or do you access a BBC web
>> page?
>>
>> If you use their iPlayer, where do you get it?
>>
>
> You all might try the simple mobile links like:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-
> bin/education/betsie/parser.pl/0005/www.bbc.co.uk
> /iplayer/bbc_radio_two
>
>

Pardon my ignorance in this matter but is it possible to use a proxy
server based in the UK to get the iPhone iPlayer and at least listen to
radio? Or will the geo-locator in my own phone inhibit that?
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In article <[email protected]>, Jon Ribbens
<[email protected]> wrote:

> What's to understand? It's available in the common H264 format as is
> standard for digital TV and as supported natively by the iPhone.
> Click it, watch it. What's the question?

Larry is a kook. He does not want to understand.

--
Charles

Charles <[email protected]> wrote in news:301120081032125525%fort514
@mac.com:

> In article <[email protected]>, Jon Ribbens
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What's to understand? It's available in the common H264 format as is
>> standard for digital TV and as supported natively by the iPhone.
>> Click it, watch it. What's the question?
>
> Larry is a kook. He does not want to understand.
>

Au Contraire. I do want to understand. I want to understand why the
majority of internet streaming radio stations not associated with Apple,
Inc., use RealMedia or Windows Media or Adobe Flash to deliver content,
but the iPhone AND THE STORM, by the way, do not support them. I THINK
I understand why. "They", the carriers, want to prevent, or at least
thwart the average dunce who will accept it, from using BANDWIDTH, which
lowers their profit margins and "they" know "they" cannot deliver such
content to a large audience of paying customers. So, "they" have made
arrangements through "firmware" to disable it if it were available in
the first place, or get their suppliers, such as Apple, Inc., to leave
such popular codecs out of the product in the first place. The result
is only a tiny fraction of the very savvy users have the technical
skills to hack the hobbling to get to the content everyone desires.

It is a terrible waste of content provider resources to have to create
workarounds to this nonsense, such as WAP or special iPhone websites to
pander to these forced limitations. These resources could have been
better spent creating faster servers on wider pipes to deliver better-
looking content to the rest of us.

On 2008-11-30 09:52:03 -0600, Larry <[email protected]> said:

> Charles <[email protected]> wrote in news:301120081032125525%fort514
> @mac.com:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Jon Ribbens
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> What's to understand? It's available in the common H264 format as is
>>> standard for digital TV and as supported natively by the iPhone.
>>> Click it, watch it. What's the question?
>>
>> Larry is a kook. He does not want to understand.
>>
>
> Au Contraire. I do want to understand. I want to understand why the
> majority of internet streaming radio stations not associated with Apple,
> Inc., use RealMedia or Windows Media or Adobe Flash to deliver content,
> but the iPhone AND THE STORM, by the way, do not support them. I THINK
> I understand why. "They", the carriers, want to prevent, or at least
> thwart the average dunce who will accept it, from using BANDWIDTH, which
> lowers their profit margins and "they" know "they" cannot deliver such
> content to a large audience of paying customers. So, "they" have made
> arrangements through "firmware" to disable it if it were available in
> the first place, or get their suppliers, such as Apple, Inc., to leave
> such popular codecs out of the product in the first place. The result
> is only a tiny fraction of the very savvy users have the technical
> skills to hack the hobbling to get to the content everyone desires.
>
> It is a terrible waste of content provider resources to have to create
> workarounds to this nonsense, such as WAP or special iPhone websites to
> pander to these forced limitations. These resources could have been
> better spent creating faster servers on wider pipes to deliver better-
> looking content to the rest of us.

You don't think it has anything to do with the cost of licensing the codecs?
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Boston Blackie <[email protected]> wrote in
news:2008113009570950073-bblackie@mailcom:

> You don't think it has anything to do with the cost of licensing the
> codecs?
>

No. Most Codecs they COULD include are free.

Case in point:
http://www.xiph.org/

All those are freeware from the open source community. Check out the
available 2,200 streams playing on them as I type this on Xiph's Icecast
directory. Wish more TV stations would play NSV freeware video streams.

Most all codecs Winamp plays, like these from xiph, are free....

.....but, of course, then iphoners would be streaming...which I believe is
FORBIDDEN in the ATT AUP, right?

Larry wrote:
> Au Contraire. I do want to understand. I want to understand why the
> majority of internet streaming radio stations not associated with Apple,
> Inc., use RealMedia or Windows Media or Adobe Flash to deliver content,
> but the iPhone AND THE STORM, by the way, do not support them.

RealMedia = Codec
Windows Media = Codec
Adobe Flash = Container

What's in the Adobe Flash container is the question, it it H264 or is it
not?

--
Adrian C

On Nov 30, 10:52*am, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charles <[email protected]> wrote in news:301120081032125525%fort514
> @mac.com:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, Jon Ribbens
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> What's to understand? It's available in the common H264 format as is
> >> standard for digital TV and as supported natively by the iPhone.
> >> Click it, watch it. What's the question?
>
> > Larry is a kook. He does not want to understand.
>
> Au Contraire. *I do want to understand. *I want to understand why the
> majority of internet streaming radio stations not associated with Apple,
> Inc., use RealMedia or Windows Media or Adobe Flash to deliver content,
> but the iPhone AND THE STORM, by the way, do not support them. *I THINK
> I understand why. *"They", the carriers, want to prevent, or at least
> thwart the average dunce who will accept it, from using BANDWIDTH, which
> lowers their profit margins and "they" know "they" cannot deliver such
> content to a large audience of paying customers. *So, "they" have made
> arrangements through "firmware" to disable it if it were available in
> the first place, or get their suppliers, such as Apple, Inc., to leave
> such popular codecs out of the product in the first place. *The result
> is only a tiny fraction of the very savvy users have the technical
> skills to hack the hobbling to get to the content everyone desires.
>
> It is a terrible waste of content provider resources to have to create
> workarounds to this nonsense, such as WAP or special iPhone websites to
> pander to these forced limitations. *These resources could have been
> better spent creating faster servers on wider pipes to deliver better-
> looking content to the rest of us.

Lawrence, I assume that is what your mother called you, when you were
born. My initial thought was she may have said "horse turds" when you
opened your moth there in the hospital.

Lawrence any iPhone user can download an application for the iPhone
that allows thousands of Internet radio Stations to be streamed to the
iPhone in real time. I have inadvertently sold iPhones to friends and
neighbors who though they were aware of the various features of the
iPhone were overwhelmed with joy when they found they could listen to
home town news from other foreign towns and villages with a simple tap
of the finger.

The iPhone markets itself as more and more people share with others
some of the neat things you can do with it.

"4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Nov 30, 10:52 am, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charles <[email protected]> wrote in news:301120081032125525%fort514
> @mac.com:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, Jon Ribbens
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> What's to understand? It's available in the common H264 format as is
> >> standard for digital TV and as supported natively by the iPhone.
> >> Click it, watch it. What's the question?
>
> > Larry is a kook. He does not want to understand.
>
> Au Contraire. I do want to understand. I want to understand why the
> majority of internet streaming radio stations not associated with Apple,
> Inc., use RealMedia or Windows Media or Adobe Flash to deliver content,
> but the iPhone AND THE STORM, by the way, do not support them. I THINK
> I understand why. "They", the carriers, want to prevent, or at least
> thwart the average dunce who will accept it, from using BANDWIDTH, which
> lowers their profit margins and "they" know "they" cannot deliver such
> content to a large audience of paying customers. So, "they" have made
> arrangements through "firmware" to disable it if it were available in
> the first place, or get their suppliers, such as Apple, Inc., to leave
> such popular codecs out of the product in the first place. The result
> is only a tiny fraction of the very savvy users have the technical
> skills to hack the hobbling to get to the content everyone desires.
>
> It is a terrible waste of content provider resources to have to create
> workarounds to this nonsense, such as WAP or special iPhone websites to
> pander to these forced limitations. These resources could have been
> better spent creating faster servers on wider pipes to deliver better-
> looking content to the rest of us.

Lawrence, I assume that is what your mother called you, when you were
born. My initial thought was she may have said "horse turds" when you
opened your moth there in the hospital.

Lawrence any iPhone user can download an application for the iPhone
that allows thousands of Internet radio Stations to be streamed to the
iPhone in real time. I have inadvertently sold iPhones to friends and
neighbors who though they were aware of the various features of the
iPhone were overwhelmed with joy when they found they could listen to
home town news from other foreign towns and villages with a simple tap
of the finger.

The iPhone markets itself as more and more people share with others
some of the neat things you can do with it.

And things you can't do with it. And the list keeps getting bigger.

In article <[email protected]>, Kevin Weaver
<[email protected]> wrote:

> And things you can't do with it. And the list keeps getting bigger.

You are like a broken record. It is hard to take you seriously. Every
day the list of things you can do with the iPhone gets longer.

--
Charles