iPhone headed to Wal-Mart

"Adrian C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>> I can't wait to see your post when someone comes up with an Office
>> document editor for iPhone... ("Finally- a way to edit Word and Excel
>> files on a mobile phone! Suck on THAT WinMo and Blackberry!")
>
> Er, is it possible to write a program actually ON an iToy/iPod Touch?

Sure- you write your code in a blank email, email it to your main PC and
cut-and-paste it into the compiler... ;-)

I suspect someone will eventually roll out a version of BASIC or C that you
could do some light programming on for the iPhone- several such environments
exist for WinMo (NS-BASIC, Basic4PPC, etc.) An interpreter-type of language
(where you run the executable inside the programming environment, like good
old GW-BASIC), or even a game-programming environment something like Game
Maker (or GameEditor for WinMo) probably wouldn't be outside the realm of
possibility either. Some iPhone dev will up with something after he or she
gets tired of counting their flashlight and slot-machine app money... ;-)

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4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:e97be917-9746-43a8-9fcf-
[email protected]:

> All you will need is an iPhone or iTouch. Keep checking the
> Livestation site to get an early heads up about when it will be
> available.
>
>

" Bloomberg

Broadcaster has requested that this stream be removed. "

Looks like they're rippin the videos if Bloomberg threatened them.

" CNN International

I'm trying several different URLs obtained from cnn.com. So far the
others work here in preview but not on the player."

Is Livestream in some kid's bedroom? No broadcaster would have this
notice on his webpage!

The "Channels" at the top are all free from the websites, like Russia
Today (RT). The other "channels" are clip players, not real streaming,
which ATT forbids, of course, and will never allow over their system.

It all eats up your 5GB/month, so I suppose it doesn't matter except
Truth-in-Advertising....

This must be some amateur TV redirector converting common video to what
little iPhone will play. Users adding channels to his lineup?? WTF?

On 2008-12-09, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> I suspect someone will eventually roll out a version of BASIC or C that you
> could do some light programming on for the iPhone

I think that's against the app store T&Cs.

"4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:e97be917-9746-43a8-9fcf-56cfb3d1eb79@z27g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 9, 6:29 am, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:43:14 -0800 (PST), iPhone 3Gold
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Dec 6, 1:20 pm, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I read in today's paper that Wal-Mart will be selling a 4GB version of
> >> the iPhone 3G for $99, starting later this month. No word if a lower
> >> cost plan will also be available.
>
> >The Stereotypical Apple user, and why the iPhone at Walmart won’t hurt
> >Apple’s image
>
> >Mon, Dec 8, 2008
>
> >Analysis, News
>
> >After a lot hype, it now seems that the iPhone is, in fact, coming to
> >Walmart around December 28. While customers won’t be able to pick one
> >up for 99 bucks, Apple’s presence in Walmart will be a huge move for
> >Apple in increasing its distribution.
>
> However its an 8 Gig for $197 for new ATT customers.
>
>
>
>
>
> >But some are claiming that an Apple/Walmart mix might not be good for
> >Apple. Some are claiming selling the iPhone at Walmart will take away
> >from the Apple “mystique” and might hurt its brand.
>
> >An article on Mashable today noted:
>
> > Although a broad generalization, the stereotype of Apple users (as
> >captured so well recently by The Simpsons) is that of left-leaning
> >elitists, who will pay anything to be associated with the brand and
> >its trendy products. On the other hand, Wal-Mart’s brand is often
> >generalized as having unfair labor practices, being willfully ignorant
> >of dismal factory conditions overseas, and using brutally competitive
> >tactics to wipe out local business when it comes to town.
>
> >Wow. It’s hard to know where to even begin. Well, for starters,
> >Apple products were popular long before hipsters in skinny jeans
> >started toting around their MacBooks from coffee shop to coffee shop.
> >And second, you can already find a slew of iPods at Walmart, so its
> >puzzling why the presence of the iPhone would all of a sudden affect
> >the Apple brand. But the underlying fallacy with the above-mentioned
> >excerpt is that it shows that people still don’t have a realistic
> >grasp on who the stereotypical Apple user really is.
>
> >It’s common these days to see a lot of Apple-bashing on the web, and
> >generalizing Apple users as fickle consumers who purchase iPods and
> >MacBooks to be cool. While those types of people definitely exist,
> >the majority of consumers who purchase Apple products do so because
> >they like the value they get from the product. Anyone who claims that
> >selling the iPhone at Walmart cheapens the brand, or makes them not
> >want to get one, is probably not the type of person who sees any real
> >value in Apple products in the first place. If they did, then they
> >wouldn’t care. Ironically, people who wouldn’t buy an iPhone because
> >it’s sold at Walmart fit more into the Apple stereotype of the “blind
> >consumer” than most Apple consumers themselves.
>
> >Apple has engineered a smartphone that turned the cellphone industry
> >on its head, and even some of the bigger cellphone companies are still
> >trying to figure out how to recover and be competitive with the
> >increasingly popular iPhone. Currently, users can only purchase an
> >iPhone at an Apple Store, an AT&T Store, or Best Buy. That said,
> >selling the iPhone at Walmart is a huge step in creating a larger
> >distribution channel for the device. And again, if people had a
> >realistic understanding on who the majority of Apple consumers are,
> >they wouldn’t assume for a second that a relationship with Walmart
> >would hurt the Apple brand.
>
> >Apple prides itself on producing premium products that are worth the
> >extra money compared to similar products from competing companies. It
> >prides itself on producing products with value. Apple’s products have
> >been so successful because consumers feel that they’re getting an
> >extra bang for that extra buck. So while it might be “cool” to
> >currently be seen with a Mac, who knows what tomorrows trend will be.
> >For all we know, Apple products are becoming so ubiquitous that it
> >soon might become “uncool” to be seen with one. But it doesn’t matter
> >one bit, because Apple isn’t in the business of being cool. Sure, it
> >might market itself that way to an extent, but what really drives
> >Apple’s success is the simple fact that users enjoy Apple products and
> >feel that they get something out of them. If I could pick up a new
> >iPhone for 30 bucks at a flea market, I’d be there faster than Steve
> >Jobs running to a Gap with a sale on black turtlenecks. Because when
> >it comes down to it, it’s not about the perception of the product,
> >it’s about what I can do with the product. That’s what Apple thrives
> >on. The D.J. you see at a club with a MacBook Pro, for example, isn’t
> >likely to switch to a PC when Dell’s all of a sudden become all the
> >rage (it’s a hypothetical mind you).
>
> >People tend to forget that for the longest time, it was markedly
> >uncool to own a Mac. Even up until recently, mac users had to defend
> >their OS of choice when the other 97% of the world was using Windows.
> >“You use a Mac?! What for? They suck.” is probably something that
> >sounds familiar to anyone who used a Mac in the 90’s. But it never
> >mattered, because Apple has typically succeeded, more often than not,
> >in creating products that help people be productive, increase
> >efficiency, and generally go about their daily business with fewer
> >headaches than their PC counterparts. So it’s not about being cool at
> >all. It’s about getting your **** done without having to fiddle with
> >drivers or call tech-support every week. That’s why the notion of
> >the Apple fanboy, or the liberal elite MacBook user is more humorous
> >than it is relevant. And that’s why the stereotypical Apple user in
> >actuality couldn’t care less about being cool. And that’s why the
> >iPhone at Walmart is really no big deal at all.
>
> Its a huge deal, for while Motorola is about to get out of the cell
> business, and Nokia's Smart phone market share has literally been cut
> in half the past 12 months, and just about everyone else is worried so
> about the current Bush Rescession, Apples iPhone sales will now only
> continue on their upward growth curve. The "Walmart types" that bought
> Sprint phones in the Walmart stores based on perceived low prices
> can now even easier switch to an iPhone.

There is even another more powerful reason to switch to AT&T and the
iPhone.

Live TV on the iPhone is coming to your iPhone in the near future.
No not your windows mobile, blackberry, or symbian phone, it is coming
only to your AT&T iPhone (or iPod Touch)!

What ? Win mobile devices have TV already. Nice try.

Dave Brewer just posted this...

Livestation has offered everyone a sneak peak, although streaming of
live TV on the iPhone and iPod Touch via the Livestation player will
not be publicly available until Apple give us the go-ahead.

Our team in the Bakery (the place where all Livestation’s fantastic
engineers churn out exciting developments like this), has been working
on it for some time.

It’s crisp, clear, reliable and extremely impressive and it is what
news junkies like me have been waiting for.

I was in Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina doing some media training
when I received a tweet announcing that a neat video had been shot
demonstrating the new development.

Two clicks later and I was watching Livestation’s CEO, Matteo
Berlucchi, demonstrating the live streaming over the iPhone.

All you will need is an iPhone or iTouch. Keep checking the
Livestation site to get an early heads up about when it will be
available.

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:e97be917-9746-43a8-9fcf-
[email protected]:

> All you will need is an iPhone or iTouch. Keep checking the
> Livestation site to get an early heads up about when it will be
> available.
>
>

I installed the player on my eeePC Linux box. Thanks for the pointer.
Works great! I'm watching CCTV Chinese TV 9 in English over my wifi at the
moment. I suppose it will be a Pay TV site sooner or later....

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I suspect someone will eventually roll out a version of BASIC or C
> that you could do some light programming on for the iPhone- several
> such environments exist for WinMo (NS-BASIC, Basic4PPC, etc.) An
> interpreter-type of language (where you run the executable inside the
> programming environment, like good old GW-BASIC), or even a
> game-programming environment something like Game Maker (or GameEditor
> for WinMo) probably wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility
> either. Some iPhone dev will up with something after he or she gets
> tired of counting their flashlight and slot-machine app money... ;-)
>

C:> COPY CON PROGRAM.EXE

REAL programmers only need a console.

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I suspect someone will eventually roll out a version of BASIC or C
>> that you could do some light programming on for the iPhone- several
>> such environments exist for WinMo (NS-BASIC, Basic4PPC, etc.) An
>> interpreter-type of language (where you run the executable inside the
>> programming environment, like good old GW-BASIC), or even a
>> game-programming environment something like Game Maker (or GameEditor
>> for WinMo) probably wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility
>> either. Some iPhone dev will up with something after he or she gets
>> tired of counting their flashlight and slot-machine app money... ;-)
>>
>
> C:> COPY CON PROGRAM.EXE
>
> REAL programmers only need a console.

That's great, as long as you limit yourself to simple apps, like "Hello
World" or maybe Flashlight apps. ;-)

Some would like the ability to debug or edit on the device as well!

"Jon Ribbens" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2008-12-09, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I suspect someone will eventually roll out a version of BASIC or C that
>> you
>> could do some light programming on for the iPhone
>
> I think that's against the app store T&Cs.

Yeah, probably. I don't see the harm, though, particularly with an
interpreter environment, since the interpreter could fully sandbox the
created apps from running amok (allow no direct memory writes to the device,
or file creation outside the sandbox's dedicated file area, for example.)
It's sad such an advanced piece of computing hardware isn't as flexible as a
25-year old Vic-20! ;-) Maybe the jailbreak community will eventually come
up with something.

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in news:ghmhll$sa8$1
@aioe.org:

>
> Some would like the ability to debug or edit on the device as well!
>

Some would like the ability to cut and paste, too, but obviously someone
else with more power decided you didn't need it.....(c;]

I do have a binary flashlite app from a computer show. The switch is
marked "0" and "1"....It's the single bit model.

On 2008-12-09, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I think that's against the app store T&Cs.
>
> Yeah, probably. I don't see the harm, though, particularly with an
> interpreter environment, since the interpreter could fully sandbox the
> created apps from running amok

It's not that, it's because an approved app which included an
interpreter app would then allow the user to run any code they
wanted. Apple would have no way of preventing the user downloading
code that provided functions that would otherwise be banned by
the app store. All the other app store T&Cs would be pointless,
if there wasn't a ban on interpreters.

> Maybe the jailbreak community will eventually come up with
> something.

I would be quite surprised if there wasn't already, for example,
Python available. A quick google suggests it is.

In article <[email protected]>, Adrian C
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Er, is it possible to write a program actually ON an iToy/iPod Touch?

there's gcc and other tools on jailbroken iphones, but it's certainly
not an ideal development platform.

"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Its a huge deal, for while Motorola is about to get out of the cell
> business, and Nokia's Smart phone market share has literally been cut
> in half the past 12 months,

Their worldwide share has dropped from 49% to 42% from 3Q07 to 3Q08. Unit
sales dropped only a few percent, since the smartphone market itself has
increased in volume since last year.

> and just about everyone else is worried so
> about the current Bush Rescession, Apples iPhone sales will now only
> continue on their upward growth curve.

How do you figure that? If recession worries drive their next phone
purchase, people who haven't joined the smartphone party yet might be more
concerned with the $720 in mandatory data fees over the next two years that
they aren't currently paying now, than the two whole dollars off of the
iPhone's MSRP that Wal-Mart can save them.

> The "Walmart types" that bought
> Sprint phones in the Walmart stores based on perceived low prices
> can now even easier switch to an iPhone.

I'm not sure Wal-Mart will make much, if any, of a positive difference.
Were the "Wal-Mart types" only holding back from buying iPhones all this
time because they were waiting for that delicious $2 (1%) discount? Or
perhaps they were so loyal to Wal-Mart that they refused to step foot in an
Apple store, AT&T corporate store, or a Best Buy? At $197 or $199, it's the
same phone, with same two-year contract, and same mandatory $30/month data
plan. I don't see how this will positively influence sales, while it
certainly will cause more ill-will between AT&T and the remainder of it's
dealer base. If I were RadioShack, for example, I'd be fuming right now
that my organization and it's supposedly electronics-specialist sales staff
are still denied access to a hot-selling phone, while the Wal-Mart across
the street is selling them between the camping supplies, Barbie dolls, and
Goodyear tires.

It's not like the Apple-mandated limited distribution system is the result
of limited supply- it's a self-imposed system. Let's face it- the $199
price point has taken the "status" away from the iPhone and made it a
commodity product. Apple should just recognize that and throw distribution
wide open to any authorized AT&T vendor and get it over with, unless they
feel there's a value to eventually using "limited distribution" as an excuse
when sales inevitiable slow after "everyone" who wants one, has one.

I'm sure Wal-Mart will sell their share of iPhones, but I suspect these
won't be additional sales as much as simply sales cannibalized from Best
Buy, Apple stores, and AT&T themselves. Opening up the iPhone to other
carriers would increase sales- adding more points-of-purchase to the
existing distribution scheme will not.

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:09:45 -0700, "Todd Allcock"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Its a huge deal, for while Motorola is about to get out of the cell
>> business, and Nokia's Smart phone market share has literally been cut
>> in half the past 12 months,
>
>Their worldwide share has dropped from 49% to 42% from 3Q07 to 3Q08. Unit
>sales dropped only a few percent, since the smartphone market itself has
>increased in volume since last year.
>
>> and just about everyone else is worried so
>> about the current Bush Rescession, Apples iPhone sales will now only
>> continue on their upward growth curve.
>
>How do you figure that? If recession worries drive their next phone
>purchase, people who haven't joined the smartphone party yet might be more
>concerned with the $720 in mandatory data fees over the next two years that
>they aren't currently paying now, than the two whole dollars off of the
>iPhone's MSRP that Wal-Mart can save them.
>
>> The "Walmart types" that bought
>> Sprint phones in the Walmart stores based on perceived low prices
>> can now even easier switch to an iPhone.
>
>I'm not sure Wal-Mart will make much, if any, of a positive difference.
>Were the "Wal-Mart types" only holding back from buying iPhones all this
>time because they were waiting for that delicious $2 (1%) discount? Or
>perhaps they were so loyal to Wal-Mart that they refused to step foot in an
>Apple store, AT&T corporate store, or a Best Buy? At $197 or $199, it's the
>same phone, with same two-year contract, and same mandatory $30/month data
>plan. I don't see how this will positively influence sales, while it
>certainly will cause more ill-will between AT&T and the remainder of it's
>dealer base. If I were RadioShack, for example, I'd be fuming right now
>that my organization and it's supposedly electronics-specialist sales staff
>are still denied access to a hot-selling phone, while the Wal-Mart across
>the street is selling them between the camping supplies, Barbie dolls, and
>Goodyear tires.
>
>It's not like the Apple-mandated limited distribution system is the result
>of limited supply- it's a self-imposed system. Let's face it- the $199
>price point has taken the "status" away from the iPhone and made it a
>commodity product. Apple should just recognize that and throw distribution
>wide open to any authorized AT&T vendor and get it over with, unless they
>feel there's a value to eventually using "limited distribution" as an excuse
>when sales inevitiable slow after "everyone" who wants one, has one.
>
>I'm sure Wal-Mart will sell their share of iPhones, but I suspect these
>won't be additional sales as much as simply sales cannibalized from Best
>Buy, Apple stores, and AT&T themselves. Opening up the iPhone to other
>carriers would increase sales- adding more points-of-purchase to the
>existing distribution scheme will not.
>
Apple is not putting iPhones in Walmarty to cannibalize other sales.
It's putting them there to catch all the Sprint churn, not as easily
caught elsewhere.

"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>>I'm sure Wal-Mart will sell their share of iPhones, but I suspect these
>>won't be additional sales as much as simply sales cannibalized from Best
>>Buy, Apple stores, and AT&T themselves. Opening up the iPhone to other
>>carriers would increase sales- adding more points-of-purchase to the
>>existing distribution scheme will not.
>>
> Apple is not putting iPhones in Walmarty to cannibalize other sales.
> It's putting them there to catch all the Sprint churn, not as easily
> caught elsewhere.

Ah, I get it. I should've guessed: when you completely stop making sense,
it's just another anti-Sprint rant.

I'm curious, though- why is Sprint churn "not as easily caught elsewhere" as
it might be at a Wal-Mart store?

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I can't wait to see your post when someone comes up with an Office
>> document editor for iPhone... ("Finally- a way to edit Word and
>> Excel files on a mobile phone! Suck on THAT WinMo and Blackberry!")
>
> But it won't have cut and paste, so...
>

iPhoners will tell you getting an email then retyping its URL like:

http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?
type=goto&page=www.nytimes.com/pages/realestate/index.html&pos=Middle2B&sn2
=15a73d76/f5918fd5&snx=1228919118&sn1=e326f8e/9976943d&camp=Stribling2
_cont_895763_cla&ad=tmpl5&goto=%5F%5FQUERY%5F%
5F&query=http://realestate.nytimes.com/sales/detail/80-1085536

....into Safari is a pleasure because Steve wants them to do it.