iPhone headed to Wal-Mart

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>> http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?
>> type=goto&page=www.nytimes.com/pages/realestate/index.html&pos=Middle2
>> B&sn2
>> =15a73d76/f5918fd5&snx=1228919118&sn1=e326f8e/9976943d&camp=Stribling2
>> _cont_895763_cla&ad=tmpl5&goto=%5F%5FQUERY%5F%
>> 5F&query=http://realestate.nytimes.com/sales/detail/80-1085536
>>
>> ...into Safari is a pleasure because Steve wants them to do it.
>
> Oh, I *had* to laugh out loud at that one.
>
>

Print it out and ask the Apple salesman to show you how to type it into an
iPhone.....in an educational sorta way....(c;]

Shouldn't take over an hour or two....after error correction.

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In article <[email protected]>, Larry
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > But it won't have cut and paste, so...
>
> iPhoners will tell you getting an email then retyping its URL like:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?
> type=goto&page=www.nytimes.com/pages/realestate/index.html&pos=Middle2B&sn2
> =15a73d76/f5918fd5&snx=1228919118&sn1=e326f8e/9976943d&camp=Stribling2
> _cont_895763_cla&ad=tmpl5&goto=%5F%5FQUERY%5F%
> 5F&query=http://realestate.nytimes.com/sales/detail/80-1085536
>
> ...into Safari is a pleasure because Steve wants them to do it.

if you had any sort of clue, you'd know that urls in an email on the
iphone are tappable so there is no need to copy/paste it and certainly
no need to retype it. just a tap on the url and it 'just works.'

Previously on misc.phone.mobile.iphone, Elmo P. Shagnasty said:

> > I can't wait to see your post when someone comes up with an Office document
> > editor for iPhone... ("Finally- a way to edit Word and Excel files on a
> > mobile phone! Suck on THAT WinMo and Blackberry!")
>
> But it won't have cut and paste, so...

Says who? So far as I know, there is nothing to prevent an application
from using copy and paste within itself. It's only +between+ apps that
is unavailable to developers.

--
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Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #149.
Ropes supporting various fixtures will not be tied next to open
windows or staircases, and chandeliers will be hung way at the top of
the ceiling.

nospam <[email protected]> wrote in
news:101220081203548048%[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>, Larry
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > But it won't have cut and paste, so...
>>
>> iPhoners will tell you getting an email then retyping its URL like:
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?
>>
type=goto&page=www.nytimes.com/pages/realestate/index.html&pos=Middle2
>> B&sn2
>> =15a73d76/f5918fd5&snx=1228919118&sn1
=e326f8e/9976943d&camp=Stribling2
>> _cont_895763_cla&ad=tmpl5&goto=%5F%5FQUERY%5F%
>> 5F&query=http://realestate.nytimes.com/sales/detail/80-1085536
>>
>> ...into Safari is a pleasure because Steve wants them to do it.
>
> if you had any sort of clue, you'd know that urls in an email on the
> iphone are tappable so there is no need to copy/paste it and certainly
> no need to retype it. just a tap on the url and it 'just works.'
>

what happens if it started with:

www.nytimes.com/

without the http? Do we get to type it then? I get lots of those...

Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote in
news[email protected]:

> It's only +between+ apps that
> is unavailable to developers.
>

How stupid....

In article <[email protected]>, Larry
<[email protected]> wrote:

> what happens if it started with:
>
> www.nytimes.com/
>
> without the http? Do we get to type it then? I get lots of those...

i tried with and without a trailing slash as well as within <>, such as
<www.nytimes.com> and all were displayed as links, needing only a tap
to launch in safari. the lack of copy/paste isn't as big of a deal as
people make it out to be.

phone numbers are also detected and tapping one will instigate a call.

"nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:101220081824147297%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Larry
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> what happens if it started with:
>>
>> www.nytimes.com/
>>
>> without the http? Do we get to type it then? I get lots of those...
>
> i tried with and without a trailing slash as well as within <>, such as
> <www.nytimes.com> and all were displayed as links, needing only a tap
> to launch in safari.

The headache is the very long URLs like Larry posted earlier, that get
destroyed by a forced line break. It's nice to be able to cut and paste the
individual pieces into the browser address bar to recreate them.

> the lack of copy/paste isn't as big of a deal as
> people make it out to be.

The lack of any feature is no big deal...

....until you need it, anyway!

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > But it won't have cut and paste, so...
>>
>> Says who? So far as I know, there is nothing to prevent an application
>> from using copy and paste within itself. It's only +between+ apps that
>> is unavailable to developers.
>
> That you would defend that stand as being reasonable simply tells me,
> and the world, to what insane lengths people will go to believe anything.

To be fair to Jeffrey, he was only pointing out the parameters of the
developer limitations (the rules you must play by to get your apps listed in
the app store)- not necessarily agreeing with them, or calling them
reasonable.

> More importantly, it tells me just how FAR Apple and Steve Jobs in
> particular will go to stick their heads in the sand. Apple was the
> first commercially to promote the whole idea of "common keystrokes and
> cut and paste across applications," way back in the days of Macintosh.
> Shall we go back and see some of the marketing materials and trade show
> presentations?
>
> And now, the idea of cut and paste across applications is being
> dismissed as "not important" and Steve Jobs is flat-out denying that it
> was ever a good idea in the first place, let alone acknowledging that he
> promoted it in the first place.

While I'm certainly a harsh critic of the iPhone software (even more so now
that I've allowed one of the ridiculous beasts into my house!) the
underlying theory isn't much different than any Java-powered phone. The
concept is that the stability of the phone is the paramount concern, and no
third-party app can be allowed unfettered access to the phone's system
areas, file system, or the protected areas of any other application. Only
certain types of phone data (i.e. the phone book/contacts) are accessable,
and even then only via a strict set of APIs. I assume the idea is that
cutting and pasting can "cross-pollenate" data between apps that are
supposed to be sandboxed from one another.

I don't personally agree with that level of control (unless it's a corporate
security policy)- I don't see why the system and data areas of a cellphone
should be better guarded than those of my home computer if I don't want/need
them to be. And this "sandbox" nonsense is exactly part of the reason why I
don't consider the iPhone to be a smartphone. The lack of accessible file
system, protected app data areas, lack 3rd-party app multitasking, etc. are
"features" of RAZRs and candy-bar low-end Nokias, not smartphones.

As I continually joke, it's not a Smartphone, but it is a Savantphone- like
Dustin Hoffman in "Rainman," it can do a few clever tricks VERY well- better
than most, if not all, other devices. But for everything else, it's pretty
much as dumb as a post.

In article <of%%[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> The headache is the very long URLs like Larry posted earlier, that get
> destroyed by a forced line break. It's nice to be able to cut and paste the
> individual pieces into the browser address bar to recreate them.

if the url is enclosed in angle brackets, line breaks are not an issue.
nevertheless, i just tried his url in an email on the iphone and the
entire thing was recognized as clickable. there's no need to
copy/paste each line.

> > the lack of copy/paste isn't as big of a deal as
> > people make it out to be.
>
> The lack of any feature is no big deal...
>
> ...until you need it, anyway!

but you haven't made a case where it's really needed.

would it be nice? sure, it'd be nice to have. absolutely must have?
not really. there are more important things to add, like notifications
which were promised for september, 2008.

In article <[email protected]>, Elmo P.
Shagnasty <[email protected]> wrote:

> And now, the idea of cut and paste across applications is being
> dismissed as "not important" and Steve Jobs is flat-out denying that it
> was ever a good idea in the first place, let alone acknowledging that he
> promoted it in the first place.

apple said they are planning on implementing copy/paste (i think it was
phil schiller who said it), but it was not as high as a priority as
other features. there was even some evidence of it in developer
releases of the firmware. apple isn't 'flat out denying that it was
ever a good idea.'

nospam <[email protected]> wrote in news:101220081824147297%
[email protected]lid:

> In article <[email protected]>, Larry
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> what happens if it started with:
>>
>> www.nytimes.com/
>>
>> without the http? Do we get to type it then? I get lots of those...
>
> i tried with and without a trailing slash as well as within <>, such as
> <www.nytimes.com> and all were displayed as links, needing only a tap
> to launch in safari. the lack of copy/paste isn't as big of a deal as
> people make it out to be.
>
> phone numbers are also detected and tapping one will instigate a call.
>

Probably not on iPhone it's not. I do a lot of copy paste from data on
webpages to emails iPhone was never intended to do. It was thoughtful of
them to allow the links.

nospam <[email protected]> wrote in news:101220082011263170%
[email protected]lid:

> ut you haven't made a case where it's really needed.
>

We're discussing a topic on emails concerning "our" companies current
image problem during the bankruptcy hearings eating our business.
During this pretend email I've found a particularly damning quote from:

http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/2008...at-itunes-and-
netflix-some-of-your-favorite-movies/?reflink=ATD_yahoo_ticker

and to be more specific about my concerns to the board back in Cupertino
I need to quote what this guy said about us:

"Translation: Netflix (NFLX) will show you just a slice of the of the
100,000+ movies it has in its regular catalog on its streaming service,
because the studios aren’t eager to cut into their DVD sales and rental
businesses. Which are way, way bigger than what they’re getting from
digital outlets. And even movies that are available for free rental may
disappear after a certain period, because the studios have other revenue
“windows” to protect, as CNET explains.

The same thing goes for Apple’s (AAPL) iTunes: Even the mighty Steve
Jobs can’t force the studios to give his customers unlimited access to
their catalogs. This applies to multiple studios, by the way, and both
new and old movies. “The Fifth Element” belongs to Time Warner’s (TWX)
Warner Bros. studio, and came out way back in 1997, back when Netscape
was a big deal. “Michael Clayton” is a Sony (SNE) movie that came out
last year."

The first paragraph needs to be quoted because the part about our iTunes
starts there. If I'm going to use iPhone as a BUSINESS tool, I need to
quote passages from documents, webpages, spreadsheets, PDF files of our
product service manuals to amplify and point to what the email is all
about in the first place.

As a BUSINESS tool, not a toy game machine for Run-Bunny-Run or a
flashlight, EVERY device MUST have cut and paste as a basic function.




Now, I have a theory why it's NOT there.....the capacitive touchscreen's
lack of RESOLUTION, its lack of a stylus to pinpoint text on the little
display. This makes it impossible to mark text densely packed with your
big, fat, calloused meathook....

Previously on misc.phone.mobile.iphone, Elmo P. Shagnasty said:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > But it won't have cut and paste, so...
> >
> > Says who? So far as I know, there is nothing to prevent an application
> > from using copy and paste within itself. It's only +between+ apps that
> > is unavailable to developers.
>
> That you would defend that stand as being reasonable simply tells me,
> and the world, to what insane lengths people will go to believe anything.

I'm not "defending" anything. The fact that you think I am tells me,
and the world, to what insane lengths people will go to denigrate
something.

If you were to check the DejaGoogle archives, you should see that I am
among the many who have been complaining about the lack of copy and
paste. My comment about copy and paste WITHIN A SINGLE APPLICATION has
no bearing one way or another on the lack of copy and paste on a
device-global basis, and the lack of a device-global function does not
automatically mean that a single application cannot have that function
within itself.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #149.
Ropes supporting various fixtures will not be tied next to open
windows or staircases, and chandeliers will be hung way at the top of
the ceiling.

In article <[email protected]>, Larry
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Now, I have a theory why it's NOT there.....the capacitive touchscreen's
> lack of RESOLUTION, its lack of a stylus to pinpoint text on the little
> display. This makes it impossible to mark text densely packed with your
> big, fat, calloused meathook....

except that it already has a cursor positioning tool.

try again.

nospam wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Larry
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Now, I have a theory why it's NOT there.....the capacitive touchscreen's
>> lack of RESOLUTION, its lack of a stylus to pinpoint text on the little
>> display. This makes it impossible to mark text densely packed with your
>> big, fat, calloused meathook....
>
> except that it already has a cursor positioning tool.
>
> try again.

I think it's lack of resolution of applied pressure. In the case of the
iToy/iPod Touch - none! There is no other way of distiguishing between a
pointer movement and dragging a caught item. That's probably one of the
little things stopping flash application support on the iToy/iPod never
mind cut and paste.

The Blackberry's Storm has at least got that one figured out, and put a
button behind the screen.

--
Adrian C