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  1. #1
    iPhone 3Gold
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    What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?

    Elgan: Why you'll never see a real 'Zune phone'

    December 12, 2008 (Computerworld) A rumor circulating this week says
    Microsoft will unveil a Zune phone at CES. Most columnists and
    bloggers who mentioned it said Microsoft should not build a Zune
    phone, but probably will.

    My view is that Microsoft should sell a Zune phone, but probably
    won't.

    Why? Because the company simply doesn't have the vision to build
    something really great in the consumer electronics space.

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/...c=news_ts_head



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  2. #2
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?


    "iPhone 3Gold" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?
    >
    > Elgan: Why you'll never see a real 'Zune phone'
    >
    > December 12, 2008 (Computerworld) A rumor circulating this week says
    > Microsoft will unveil a Zune phone at CES. Most columnists and
    > bloggers who mentioned it said Microsoft should not build a Zune
    > phone, but probably will.
    >
    > My view is that Microsoft should sell a Zune phone, but probably
    > won't.
    >
    > Why? Because the company simply doesn't have the vision to build
    > something really great in the consumer electronics space.


    Vision?!?! Microsloth doesn't even have the ability to make anything. They
    simply copy someone else, and do so very badly. The Zune itself is a "great"
    example of this, and any "Zune Phone" would also be a fifth-rate pile of
    rubbish.






  3. #3
    SMS
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?

    Your Name wrote:

    > Vision?!?! Microsloth doesn't even have the ability to make anything. They
    > simply copy someone else, and do so very badly.


    While it's true that Microsoft doesn't have a great record on their
    hardware forays, they do invent a lot of stuff that is copied and made
    successful by other companies, including Apple. For example, it was
    Microsoft that invented the hierarchical menu system of navigating on a
    music player. Apple used it first, but Microsoft has the patent on it.

    Apple is a great marketing company. They are able to take technology and
    ideas that others have invented, and combine them into amazing and
    profitable hardware products, something that Microsoft is not good at,
    despite inventing much of the core technology.

    "We have a long-standing practice of licensing things to Apple and
    licensing Apple's patents to use in our products," Kaefer said. "Our
    approach is to recognize that, frankly, we're both mutually dependent on
    the good ideas of one another."



  4. #4
    Jon Ribbens
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?

    On 2008-12-13, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > While it's true that Microsoft doesn't have a great record on their
    > hardware forays, they do invent a lot of stuff that is copied and made
    > successful by other companies, including Apple.


    Name 3 successful, useful and innovative things that Microsoft has
    invented.

    > For example, it was Microsoft that invented the hierarchical menu
    > system of navigating on a music player.


    No, it wasn't. They just managed to get an illegitimate patent on that
    already long-established idea from the completely broken USPTO.



  5. #5
    Your Name
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?


    "Jon Ribbens" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On 2008-12-13, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > While it's true that Microsoft doesn't have a great record on their
    > > hardware forays, they do invent a lot of stuff that is copied and made
    > > successful by other companies, including Apple.

    >
    > Name 3 successful, useful and innovative things that Microsoft has
    > invented.


    Invented?! Absolutely nothing. They've bought out or stolen everything they
    sell, including the original DOS that started the useless company.

    But there is appareantly three things they are "good" at:

    - corrupting the Justice Departments (almost) worldwide, including buying
    their way out of troubles,

    - conning customers into believing they "must" use Microsloth garbage,

    - taking someone else's ideas and making a complete mess of them.



    > > For example, it was Microsoft that invented the hierarchical menu
    > > system of navigating on a music player.

    >
    > No, it wasn't. They just managed to get an illegitimate patent on that
    > already long-established idea from the completely broken USPTO.


    Yep. There was news not long ago about some company sueing Apple for the
    iPod interface, and it wasn't Microsloth.








  6. #6
    Mike
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?

    Your Name wrote:
    > "Jon Ribbens" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> On 2008-12-13, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> While it's true that Microsoft doesn't have a great record on their
    >>> hardware forays, they do invent a lot of stuff that is copied and made
    >>> successful by other companies, including Apple.

    >> Name 3 successful, useful and innovative things that Microsoft has
    >> invented.

    >
    > Invented?! Absolutely nothing. They've bought out or stolen everything they
    > sell, including the original DOS that started the useless company.
    >
    > But there is appareantly three things they are "good" at:
    >
    > - corrupting the Justice Departments (almost) worldwide, including buying
    > their way out of troubles,
    >
    > - conning customers into believing they "must" use Microsloth garbage,
    >
    > - taking someone else's ideas and making a complete mess of them.
    >
    >
    >
    >>> For example, it was Microsoft that invented the hierarchical menu
    >>> system of navigating on a music player.

    >> No, it wasn't. They just managed to get an illegitimate patent on that
    >> already long-established idea from the completely broken USPTO.

    >
    > Yep. There was news not long ago about some company sueing Apple for the
    > iPod interface, and it wasn't Microsloth.
    >
    >


    I'm no great fan of Microsoft (he says posting on an XP PC) however what
    they did do is make PC's accessible to almost everyone.

    If you can cross a suburban road safely you can use a windows PC. Sure
    you may need to call a brighter neighbour to sort it out when you've got
    your PC poxxed up on some file sharing site.

    I'm sure many linux/mac snobs out there don't like the idea of the great
    unwashed and technologically illiterate masses using computers however
    without lots of consumers there would not be quite so much internet and
    hardware for us all to play with.

    Linux lovers are train spotters but with paler skin.

    Mike



  7. #7
    Jon Ribbens
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?

    On 2008-12-13, Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
    > I'm no great fan of Microsoft (he says posting on an XP PC) however what
    > they did do is make PC's accessible to almost everyone.


    No, they didn't. IBM did that. Microsoft set PC usability, and the
    entire software industry, back at least a decade, maybe two - and they
    haven't stopped yet. They are destroyers, not innovators.

    If you want to claim Microsoft "made PC's accessible", I'll refer you
    to my earlier challenge - name 3 successful, useful and innovative
    things that Microsoft invented that enhanced PC accessibility.

    > Linux lovers are train spotters but with paler skin.


    Nobody has mentioned Linux in this thread, except you.
    Linux has nothing to do with it; it didn't even exist until 1991.



  8. #8
    Your Name
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?


    "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Your Name wrote:
    > > "Jon Ribbens" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >> On 2008-12-13, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>> While it's true that Microsoft doesn't have a great record on their
    > >>> hardware forays, they do invent a lot of stuff that is copied and made
    > >>> successful by other companies, including Apple.
    > >> Name 3 successful, useful and innovative things that Microsoft has
    > >> invented.

    > >
    > > Invented?! Absolutely nothing. They've bought out or stolen everything

    they
    > > sell, including the original DOS that started the useless company.
    > >
    > > But there is appareantly three things they are "good" at:
    > >
    > > - corrupting the Justice Departments (almost) worldwide, including

    buying
    > > their way out of troubles,
    > >
    > > - conning customers into believing they "must" use Microsloth

    garbage,
    > >
    > > - taking someone else's ideas and making a complete mess of them.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >>> For example, it was Microsoft that invented the hierarchical menu
    > >>> system of navigating on a music player.
    > >> No, it wasn't. They just managed to get an illegitimate patent on that
    > >> already long-established idea from the completely broken USPTO.

    > >
    > > Yep. There was news not long ago about some company sueing Apple for the
    > > iPod interface, and it wasn't Microsloth.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > I'm no great fan of Microsoft (he says posting on an XP PC) however what
    > they did do is make PC's accessible to almost everyone.
    >
    > If you can cross a suburban road safely you can use a windows PC. Sure
    > you may need to call a brighter neighbour to sort it out when you've got
    > your PC poxxed up on some file sharing site.
    >
    > I'm sure many linux/mac snobs out there don't like the idea of the great
    > unwashed and technologically illiterate masses using computers however
    > without lots of consumers there would not be quite so much internet and
    > hardware for us all to play with.
    >
    > Linux lovers are train spotters but with paler skin.


    Apple, Commodore and Atari made computers "accessible to almost everyone"
    .... Microsoft simply sold cheap garbage that we're still paying the price
    for decades later because too many people won't dump them. :-(








  9. #9
    The Bob
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?

    iPhone 3Gold <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
    news:[email protected]:

    > What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?
    >
    > Elgan: Why you'll never see a real 'Zune phone'
    >
    > December 12, 2008 (Computerworld) A rumor circulating this week says
    > Microsoft will unveil a Zune phone at CES. Most columnists and
    > bloggers who mentioned it said Microsoft should not build a Zune
    > phone, but probably will.
    >
    > My view is that Microsoft should sell a Zune phone, but probably
    > won't.
    >
    > Why? Because the company simply doesn't have the vision to build
    > something really great in the consumer electronics space.
    >
    > http://www.computerworld.com/action/...ewArticleBasic
    > &articleId=9123341&intsrc=news_ts_head
    >


    And with that, you sound like the scared little boy we all knew you to be.



  10. #10
    Your Name
    Guest

    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?

    A "Zune Phone" definitely wouldn't be an "iPhone killer", but it might just
    be a "Microsoft killer" ... at least we can hope so. :-)





  11. #11
    Robert Schaffner
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?

    Am 13.12.2008 3:52 Uhr, schrieb iPhone 3Gold:

    > What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?


    Nobody need the stuff..




  12. #12
    SMS
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?

    Your Name wrote:
    > "Jon Ribbens" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> On 2008-12-13, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> While it's true that Microsoft doesn't have a great record on their
    >>> hardware forays, they do invent a lot of stuff that is copied and made
    >>> successful by other companies, including Apple.

    >> Name 3 successful, useful and innovative things that Microsoft has
    >> invented.

    >
    > Invented?! Absolutely nothing.


    Top 10 patent performers of 2007:

    * IBM--3,148
    * Samsung Electronics--2,725
    * Canon--1,987
    * Matsu****a Electric Industrial--1,941
    * Intel--1,865
    * Microsoft--1,637
    * Toshiba--1,549
    * Sony--1,481
    * Micron Technology--1,476
    * Hewlett-Packard--1,470

    What you have to realize is that many patents are for inventions that
    the end user won't recognize as consumer items. Some patents are for
    products or parts of products that you might never even think of as
    being patentable. At one semiconductor company I worked at, my colleague
    scoffed at the opportunity to earn $100 for something he worked on
    stating that such a simple idea wasn't patentable. Others on the team
    presented it to the IP department for patenting so he did get his $100,
    and the company made tens of millions in licensing fees, plus kept some
    low-cost competitors from using the technology, effectively locking them
    out of a lucrative market. What was ironic about this patent was than
    when we found some other companies violating it, and told the IP
    department to go after them, they declined. They explained that if they
    sued the violator and lost, then everyone paying royalties would stop
    paying, and it wasn't worth the risk.



  13. #13
    SMS
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?

    Jon Ribbens wrote:
    > On 2008-12-14, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> Name 3 successful, useful and innovative things that Microsoft has
    >>>> invented.
    >>> Invented?! Absolutely nothing.

    >> Top 10 patent performers of 2007:

    >
    > So can we assume that you haven't managed to think of *anything* that
    > Microsoft has invented?


    Nothing you would understand. You're looking for a consumer product, not
    core technology used in products. You've bought into the anti-Microsoft,
    "Microsoft stole everything" schtick.



  14. #14
    Your Name
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    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?


    "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Jon Ribbens wrote:
    > > On 2008-12-14, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>>> Name 3 successful, useful and innovative things that Microsoft has
    > >>>> invented.
    > >>> Invented?! Absolutely nothing.
    > >> Top 10 patent performers of 2007:

    > >
    > > So can we assume that you haven't managed to think of *anything* that
    > > Microsoft has invented?

    >
    > Nothing you would understand. You're looking for a consumer product, not
    > core technology used in products. You've bought into the anti-Microsoft,
    > "Microsoft stole everything" schtick.


    Because they did. Even those "non-consumer product" patents come from
    comapnies they bought out or stole from.





  15. #15
    Jon Ribbens
    Guest

    Re: What's wrong with a Zune 'iPhone killer'?

    On 2008-12-15, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Jon Ribbens wrote:
    >> So can we assume that you haven't managed to think of *anything* that
    >> Microsoft has invented?

    >
    > Nothing you would understand. You're looking for a consumer product, not
    > core technology used in products.


    Wrong again. That makes you zero for three.

    Ah well, never mind! Thanks for playing, better luck next time!



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