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  1. #46
    Paul Miner
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    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    On Wed, 26 May 2010 09:41:41 -0700, nospam <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Flash is just the biggest threat at the moment.

    >
    >it's not a threat. flash is proprietary, buggy, a cpu hog and a
    >security risk. there are much better ways to do what flash does, such
    >as html5.


    Flash is ubiquitous, HTML5 not so much. It has a lot more to do with
    what's deployed versus what's better for the job.


    --
    Paul Miner



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  2. #47
    Paul Miner
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    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    On Wed, 26 May 2010 09:41:44 -0700, nospam <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> It's vaporware until it's actually released (to everyone) --
    >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware>:
    >>
    >> Vaporware is a word used to describe products, usually computer
    >> hardware or software, not released on the date announced by their
    >> developer...

    >
    >not that wikipedia is a good reference, but according to that
    >definition, it's not vapor since the ship date announced is 'summer
    >2010.'


    The key word is 'announced'. It's vapor until it ships.

    --
    Paul Miner



  3. #48
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    In article <[email protected]>, Paul Miner
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > The key word is 'announced'. It's vapor until it ships.


    it *has* shipped. anyone who wants it can sign up as a developer and
    get a beta version. the public release is imminent.

    but if you want to call it vapor, android 2.2 is also vapor, and even
    more so.



  4. #49
    Justin
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    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    nospam wrote on [Wed, 26 May 2010 09:41:33 -0700]:
    > In article <[email protected]>, Thomas T. Veldhouse
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > more importantly, not all devices will run android 2.2, including the
    >> > t-mobile g1 which is currently being sold, *new*, right *now*.

    >>
    >> Not all iPods that run 3.1.x will run 4.0 either. Only iPod Touch Gen 3 and
    >> iPhone GS models (not sure about any previous iPhone model) will accept OS
    >> 4.0.

    >
    > all 2nd and 3rd gen ipod touches and the iphone 3g and 3gs can run 4.0,
    > plus whatever is released this year.
    >
    > only the 1st gen ipod touch and original iphone cannot. they're 3 year
    > old devices and very, very few are still in use.
    >
    > compare that with android devices that are shipping *now* that can't
    > ever run 2.2, and some that won't run it for a while, whenever the
    > manufacturer decides it will update it.


    3 years isn't very old for an mp3 player.



  5. #50
    Justin
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    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    nospam wrote on [Wed, 26 May 2010 09:41:38 -0700]:
    > In article <[email protected]>, Paul Miner
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Actually, announcements are the epitome of vaporware. Nearly all
    >> vaporware starts with an announcement. A software product stops being
    >> vaporware when it actually becomes available. Announcements !=
    >> available.

    >
    > it *has* shipped, to developers, four versions so far. it's not vapor.
    > developers are using it and developing for it. the public release will
    > be soon, probably about two weeks.


    I guess you don't understand whatr shipped means.

    shipped means delivere to consumers



  6. #51
    Justin
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    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    nospam wrote on [Wed, 26 May 2010 09:41:44 -0700]:
    > In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> It's vaporware until it's actually released (to everyone) --
    >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware>:
    >>
    >> Vaporware is a word used to describe products, usually computer
    >> hardware or software, not released on the date announced by their
    >> developer...

    >
    > not that wikipedia is a good reference, but according to that
    > definition, it's not vapor since the ship date announced is 'summer
    > 2010.'
    >
    > as i said, it has shipped, to developers. they're using it right now.
    >
    > meanwhile, android 2.2 is vapor. motorola said 'soon' for the droid.
    > not even a date. other devices might not ever get it.


    No, 2.2 has shipped to consumers. It is being deployed right now to Nexus One owners




  7. #52
    Justin
    Guest

    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    nospam wrote on [Wed, 26 May 2010 10:32:43 -0700]:
    > In article <[email protected]>, Paul Miner
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> The key word is 'announced'. It's vapor until it ships.

    >
    > it *has* shipped. anyone who wants it can sign up as a developer and
    > get a beta version. the public release is imminent.
    >
    > but if you want to call it vapor, android 2.2 is also vapor, and even
    > more so.


    Can an end user get android 2.2? Yes. Can an end user get iPhone OS 4? No.




  8. #53
    Steve Fenwick
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    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Paul Miner <[email protected]> wrote:

    > What could possibly justify very, very few 3 year old i* devices being
    > still in use? If true, that's not good for anyone, including Apple.


    Huh? 3 year old iPhones (1st gen) may work just fine. Not as fast as new
    ones, but still better than many alternatives. Less waste for the
    landfill sounds like a decent reason.

    Steve

    --
    steve <at> w0x0f <dot> com
    "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
    arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
    skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, sidecar in the other, body thoroughly
    used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"



  9. #54
    John Navas
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    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    On Wed, 26 May 2010 17:43:25 +0000 (UTC), Justin <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >nospam wrote on [Wed, 26 May 2010 09:41:38 -0700]:
    >> In article <[email protected]>, Paul Miner
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Actually, announcements are the epitome of vaporware. Nearly all
    >>> vaporware starts with an announcement. A software product stops being
    >>> vaporware when it actually becomes available. Announcements !=
    >>> available.

    >>
    >> it *has* shipped, to developers, four versions so far. it's not vapor.
    >> developers are using it and developing for it. the public release will
    >> be soon, probably about two weeks.

    >
    >I guess you don't understand whatr shipped means.
    >
    >shipped means delivere to consumers


    "Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level
    and then beat you with experience." -Dr. Alan Zimmerman



  10. #55
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    In article <[email protected]>, Justin
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > 3 years isn't very old for an mp3 player.


    doesn't matter, there aren't enough of them out there to bother
    supporting. it's about 3-4% of the install base.



  11. #56
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    In article <[email protected]>, Justin
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > No, 2.2 has shipped to consumers. It is being deployed right now to Nexus One owners


    *only* nexus one owners, because it's a google product, and officially
    it hasn't actually shipped. some people managed to get a prerelease
    version.

    motorola droid users can't get it yet. t-mobile g1 users can't ever get
    since it won't work on that hardware, ever.

    android 2.2 is vapor too.



  12. #57
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > I think it's essentially a control (and revenue) issue -- Steve is
    > determined to control all things Apple, and Adobe software (not only
    > Flash, but also products like Photoshop) has always threatened that
    > control (and revenue) -- Flash is just the biggest threat at the moment.


    You are a thinker, but you didn't check did you? ;-)

    --
    Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.



  13. #58
    John Navas
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    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    On 26 May 2010 18:27:19 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> I think it's essentially a control (and revenue) issue -- Steve is
    >> determined to control all things Apple, and Adobe software (not only
    >> Flash, but also products like Photoshop) has always threatened that
    >> control (and revenue) -- Flash is just the biggest threat at the moment.

    >
    >You are a thinker, but you didn't check did you? ;-)


    "I would like to take you seriously,
    but to do so would affront your intelligence."
    {William F. Buckley, Jr]



  14. #59
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    In alt.cellular.verizon nospam <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, Thomas T. Veldhouse
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > more importantly, not all devices will run android 2.2, including the
    >> > t-mobile g1 which is currently being sold, *new*, right *now*.

    >>
    >> Not all iPods that run 3.1.x will run 4.0 either. Only iPod Touch Gen 3 and
    >> iPhone GS models (not sure about any previous iPhone model) will accept OS
    >> 4.0.

    >
    > all 2nd and 3rd gen ipod touches and the iphone 3g and 3gs can run 4.0,
    > plus whatever is released this year.


    The last thing I read is that 2nd gen iPod Touch is NOT supported. However,
    they seem to have changed it and you are correct.

    "iPhone OS 4 will work with iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, and the second- and
    third-generation iPod touch this summer, and with iPad in the fall. Not all
    features are compatible with all devices. For example, multitasking is
    available only with iPhone 3GS and the third-generation iPod touch (32GB and
    64GB models from late 2009)."

    So, multitasking will not be available on 2nd generation iPod Touches or older
    iPhone models; perhaps that is what I was remembering. FULL support is only
    for the iPod Touch Gen 3 and iPhone 3GS.

    >
    > only the 1st gen ipod touch and original iphone cannot. they're 3 year
    > old devices and very, very few are still in use.
    >


    > compare that with android devices that are shipping *now* that can't
    > ever run 2.2, and some that won't run it for a while, whenever the
    > manufacturer decides it will update it.


    Apple sells hardware and software together. Google sells [or gives] their
    operating system away for free and leaves it's source open. So, what they
    risk is a bad reputation from a widespread product that uses it [say that
    Verizon sells a phone that is wildly popular and turns out to be a total dud
    after six months due to the way they integrated the OS ... that could damage
    the Android reputation even if it isn't the fault of the OS; I think that is,
    at least in part, why Apple keeps it's hardware and OS closed].

    --
    Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.



  15. #60
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone

    In alt.cellular.verizon Paul Miner <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Wed, 26 May 2010 09:41:33 -0700, nospam <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>In article <[email protected]>, Thomas T. Veldhouse
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> > more importantly, not all devices will run android 2.2, including the
    >>> > t-mobile g1 which is currently being sold, *new*, right *now*.
    >>>
    >>> Not all iPods that run 3.1.x will run 4.0 either. Only iPod Touch Gen 3 and
    >>> iPhone GS models (not sure about any previous iPhone model) will accept OS
    >>> 4.0.

    >>
    >>all 2nd and 3rd gen ipod touches and the iphone 3g and 3gs can run 4.0,
    >>plus whatever is released this year.
    >>
    >>only the 1st gen ipod touch and original iphone cannot. they're 3 year
    >>old devices and very, very few are still in use.

    >
    > What could possibly justify very, very few 3 year old i* devices being
    > still in use? If true, that's not good for anyone, including Apple.


    That is a very short sighted thing to say. With two-year contracts on these
    devices standard and with the market for such a device spanning as much as a
    year, you have three years of modern support right there. Further, it is VERY
    common for such devices to be passed on to other people for continued use and
    the original person "upgrades". Five years is probably more realistic in my
    opinion.

    --
    Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.



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