NEWS: iPad gouges netbook sales

"Tom" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
september.org:

> easy to read

You must live in the DARK......(c;]

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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 07:28:23 -0400, in
<[email protected]>, "Tom" <[email protected]> wrote:

>the Ipad fits my needs, portable, long battery life, easy to read books with
>old eyes, some internet access almost anywhere, photos, music, etc many
>things to keep me amused.

To my eyes the Kindle display is much easier to read for long periods of
time.

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Best regards,
John

If the iPhone and iPad are really so impressive,
then why do iFans keep making excuses for them?

nospam <[email protected]> wrote in news:190620102159556395%
[email protected]d:

> i don't doubt it. having to see your face is sheer terror.
>
>

Some ****ing justification for that piece of **** you're defending....



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Larry

In message <[email protected]> Larry
<[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> To my eyes the Kindle display is much easier to read for long periods of
>> time.
>>
>
>Absolutely! There's no comparison to the Kindle in bright sunlight. The
>brighter the sun shines on it, the brighter the display as it's sunlit, not
>backlit.

Fantastic. Now try that again in a dimly lit plane in a seat with the
light unfortunately located slightly ahead of you, or when your partner
is sleeping in bed beside you.

Neither is ideal in all situations.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:18:04 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In message <[email protected]> Larry
><[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> To my eyes the Kindle display is much easier to read for long periods of
>>> time.
>>
>>Absolutely! There's no comparison to the Kindle in bright sunlight. The
>>brighter the sun shines on it, the brighter the display as it's sunlit, not
>>backlit.
>
>Fantastic. Now try that again in a dimly lit plane in a seat with the
>light unfortunately located slightly ahead of you, or when your partner
>is sleeping in bed beside you.
>
>Neither is ideal in all situations.

True, but the Kindle display is easier to read in the most common
conditions, and works quite nicely with an Itty Bitty Book Light,
whereas nothing will help the iPad out in the sun (e.g., at a park
or the beach).

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Best regards,
John

If the iPhone and iPad are really so impressive,
then why do iFans keep making excuses for them?

On 6/21/10 9:04 AM, in article [email protected],
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:18:04 -0700, in
> <[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In message <[email protected]> Larry
>> <[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:
>>
>>> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> To my eyes the Kindle display is much easier to read for long periods of
>>>> time.
>>>
>>> Absolutely! There's no comparison to the Kindle in bright sunlight. The
>>> brighter the sun shines on it, the brighter the display as it's sunlit, not
>>> backlit.
>>
>> Fantastic. Now try that again in a dimly lit plane in a seat with the
>> light unfortunately located slightly ahead of you, or when your partner
>> is sleeping in bed beside you.
>>
>> Neither is ideal in all situations.
>
> True, but the Kindle display is easier to read in the most common
> conditions, and works quite nicely with an Itty Bitty Book Light,
> whereas nothing will help the iPad out in the sun (e.g., at a park
> or the beach).
NavASS, I can see you now with your "Itty Bitty Book Liight" looking for
your "Itty Bitty". LOL!!!

In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
<[email protected]> wrote:

> >Fantastic. Now try that again in a dimly lit plane in a seat with the
> >light unfortunately located slightly ahead of you, or when your partner
> >is sleeping in bed beside you.
> >
> >Neither is ideal in all situations.
>
> True, but the Kindle display is easier to read in the most common
> conditions,

nope. most people read indoors in less than ideal light, which is why
there are add-on lights for it.

> and works quite nicely with an Itty Bitty Book Light,

'it's not a bug it's a feature.'

> whereas nothing will help the iPad out in the sun (e.g., at a park
> or the beach).

the ipad works fine in sunlight, which if you actually used one you
would know.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 07:04:25 -0700, John Navas <[email protected]>
wrote:

>True, but the Kindle display is easier to read in the most common
>conditions, and works quite nicely with an Itty Bitty Book Light,
>whereas nothing will help the iPad out in the sun (e.g., at a park
>or the beach).

Nothing? The iPad case makes a reasonable sun shade. Not great, but
usable:
<http://theonbutton.com/2010/05/30/ipad-overheating-outdoors-daylight-readable/p1030026/>

The real problem is that the iPad seems to overheat in the sun.
<http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-31747_7-20001749-243.html>

A transreflective LCD display, which reflects much of the heat, would
have been soooooo nice.
<http://www.irontech.com/industrial_LCD_displays_for_sunlight.html>
<http://gizmodo.com/5443895/e+ink-is-dead-pixel-qis-amazing-transflective-lcd-just-killed-it>
Maybe when the iDesk (full size table top display) or iWall (wall size
display) arrives from Apple...


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On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:29:29 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, Jeff Liebermann
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 07:04:25 -0700, John Navas <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>True, but the Kindle display is easier to read in the most common
>>conditions, and works quite nicely with an Itty Bitty Book Light,
>>whereas nothing will help the iPad out in the sun (e.g., at a park
>>or the beach).
>
>Nothing? The iPad case makes a reasonable sun shade. Not great, but
>usable:

Not in my opinion.

--
Best regards,
John

If the iPhone and iPad are really so impressive,
then why do iFans keep making excuses for them?

In message <[email protected]> Jeff Liebermann
<[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:

>A transreflective LCD display, which reflects much of the heat, would
>have been soooooo nice.

You've never actually used a transreflective colour LCD either?

They're not necessarily bad in bright sun or factory bright light
conditions, but they're not fantastic the rest of the time.

However, the fatal flat is that they use sidelighting rather than
backlighting, so especially on larger screens where an effective
sidelight isn't possible, you won't end up with a fantastic screen. Any
attempt at a backlight just makes the screen look washed out and
pathetic.

In message <[email protected]> John Navas
<[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:

>True, but the Kindle display is easier to read in the most common
>conditions, and works quite nicely with an Itty Bitty Book Light,
>whereas nothing will help the iPad out in the sun (e.g., at a park
>or the beach).

I've used mine at a park on the edge of a beach already once and it
worked fine. I wouldn't take it on a beach though, at least not until I
can decide what is likely worse for the device, sand or water.

The brightness is reasonably adequate, brighter than most LCD panels,
the trick is that instead of looking at it straight-on, tilt the device
5 degrees or so.

On 6/21/10 9:44 AM, in article 210620101044510821%[email protected],
"nospam" <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Fantastic. Now try that again in a dimly lit plane in a seat with the
>>> light unfortunately located slightly ahead of you, or when your partner
>>> is sleeping in bed beside you.
>>>
>>> Neither is ideal in all situations.
>>
>> True, but the Kindle display is easier to read in the most common
>> conditions,
>
> nope. most people read indoors in less than ideal light, which is why
> there are add-on lights for it.
>
>> and works quite nicely with an Itty Bitty Book Light,
>
> 'it's not a bug it's a feature.'
>
>> whereas nothing will help the iPad out in the sun (e.g., at a park
>> or the beach).
>
> the ipad works fine in sunlight, which if you actually used one you
> would know.

NavASS is full of **** - as usual.

A 180 of whatever he says will lead to the truth.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:04:24 -0700, DevilsPGD
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In message <[email protected]> Jeff Liebermann
><[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>>A transreflective LCD display, which reflects much of the heat, would
>>have been soooooo nice.
>
>You've never actually used a transreflective colour LCD either?

Not on a computah. I've seen them on outdoor wide screen LCD TV
screens. Unfortunately, I only saw them at a Best Buy store, which is
indoors. I've also seen small demo displays for cell phones and TV's
with transreflective displays, again indoors. However, I've never
seen one outdoors.

Sigh. There's a domain and web pile for everything:
<http://outdoorhdtv.com>

>They're not necessarily bad in bright sun or factory bright light
>conditions, but they're not fantastic the rest of the time.

Oh-oh.

>However, the fatal flat is that they use sidelighting rather than
>backlighting, so especially on larger screens where an effective
>sidelight isn't possible, you won't end up with a fantastic screen. Any
>attempt at a backlight just makes the screen look washed out and
>pathetic.

How large would you want to go? The ultra thin HDTV's with LED edge
lighting seems bright enough (indoors) at the Best Buy and Costco
store. However, I wasn't in the market for one and didn't pay much
attention. I didn't think they looked much different from the CCFL
backlit LCD panels. What did I miss?

My personal favorite display was a laptop with a detachable LCD
display. The back lighting could be removed so that the display could
be placed on an overhead projector for presentations. It could also
be fitted with a reflective screen for outdoor use. Of course, a back
lit CCFL lamp arrangement for indoor use. The big problem was that
the frame around the LCD panel needed to be fairly large, to
accommodate the needed circuitry. There was also about 0.5" unusable
area around the edge for contact area. I forgot who made those
see-through LCD displays, but I thought they would soon be
commonplace. I was wrong.


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Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 6/21/10 10:59 AM, in article [email protected],
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:29:29 -0700, in
> <[email protected]>, Jeff Liebermann
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 07:04:25 -0700, John Navas <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> True, but the Kindle display is easier to read in the most common
>>> conditions, and works quite nicely with an Itty Bitty Book Light,
>>> whereas nothing will help the iPad out in the sun (e.g., at a park
>>> or the beach).
>>
>> Nothing? The iPad case makes a reasonable sun shade. Not great, but
>> usable:
>
> Not in my opinion.

Like an asshole, everyone has one. Yours is particularly inflated...

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:04:24 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In message <[email protected]> Jeff Liebermann
><[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>>A transreflective LCD display, which reflects much of the heat, would
>>have been soooooo nice.
>
>You've never actually used a transreflective colour LCD either?

Both.

>They're not necessarily bad in bright sun or factory bright light
>conditions, but they're not fantastic the rest of the time.
>
>However, the fatal flat is that they use sidelighting rather than
>backlighting, so especially on larger screens where an effective
>sidelight isn't possible, you won't end up with a fantastic screen. Any
>attempt at a backlight just makes the screen look washed out and
>pathetic.

Works quite well now up to smartphone size,
and I've seen larger engineering samples with similar performance.

--
Best regards,
John

If the iPhone and iPad are really so impressive,
then why do iFans keep making excuses for them?