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- 06-24-2010, 04:13 PM #16John NavasGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:53:11 -0400, in <[email protected]>,
Shaun <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 6/24/10 1:15 PM, George Kerby wrote:
>> Same in Houston and Tulsa. The only *real* problem places are NYC and
>> NavASS's crib, SF. Most of the rest of the nation is just fine, despite the
>> hatebois' propaganda.
>
>Objective surveys like the recent one in Consumer Reports confirm that
>ATT is the worst carrier in most metro areas across the US.
Surveys actually show that AT&T has made enormous improvements in the
past year.
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John
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- 06-24-2010, 04:24 PM #17ShaunGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
On 6/24/10 6:13 PM, John Navas wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:53:11 -0400, in<[email protected]>,
> Shaun<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 6/24/10 1:15 PM, George Kerby wrote:
>
>>> Same in Houston and Tulsa. The only *real* problem places are NYC and
>>> NavASS's crib, SF. Most of the rest of the nation is just fine, despite the
>>> hatebois' propaganda.
>>
>> Objective surveys like the recent one in Consumer Reports confirm that
>> ATT is the worst carrier in most metro areas across the US.
>
> Surveys actually show that AT&T has made enormous improvements in the
> past year.
>
Yes indeed, they've improved from Truly Atrocious to Just Plain Lousy...
- 06-24-2010, 04:40 PM #18nospamGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
In article <[email protected]>, Shaun <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >> Objective surveys like the recent one in Consumer Reports confirm that
> >> ATT is the worst carrier in most metro areas across the US.
> >
> > Surveys actually show that AT&T has made enormous improvements in the
> > past year.
>
> Yes indeed, they've improved from Truly Atrocious to Just Plain Lousy...
bingo.
- 06-24-2010, 06:38 PM #19LarryGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> The point is that ALL cellular services seem to have holes in their
> networks in various places. AT&T may not be quite as close to
> seamless as Verizon (which seems clearly to be the most comprehensive)
> but their coverage is really quite good.
>
>
All this is the FCC's fault for NOT doing their job of requiring all
licensees to use a STANDARDIZED system across the country, instead of
the widely bastardized, incompatible systems on the air today, designed
by the cell corporations to reduce churning......and for FCC-mandated
"proof of performance" testing at regular intervals like every broadcast
station is required to do to maintain their license for that
region...with heavy fines for non-compliance, the only thing that gets
corporate management off its ass when the FM transmitter needs something
they could get away without if noone was looking...like sellphone
carriers do.
If any carrier of the STANDARDIZED systems, like your new ATSC TV
Standards where your digital TV can receive ALL the channels, not just
the ones for a particular company, if this carrier cannot provide full
service across his entire service area, not just the most profitable
part in the big cities, then, FCC could simply REQUIRE them to SHARE
services with other licensees at their own expense, not the consumer's,
until the offender could be put in compliance with his license
requirements without all these horrible holes and DEAD ZONES in areas
where he's been given the priviledge of an FCC license, but chooses NOT
to provide stellar service that license priviledge from the people
deserves.
We simply fine his ass if he has no signal in your house....until he
either sends in his license so we can get someone licensed who will
comply....or he puts sufficient resources on the air to service his
license area....just like every broadcaster you enjoy.....
The airwaves belong to the PUBLIC.....well, it used to, anyways.
--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics...
Larry
- 06-24-2010, 06:46 PM #20LarryGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
Shaun <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> we need reliable
> cellular service across our travel footprint.....
>
To accomplish that, we need STANDARDIZED systems across ALL carriers, then
FORCE them to share resources with heavy fines for non-compliance across
their licensed regions, until they can bring their own systems into
compliance to provide stellar service all across their licensed areas, not
just in the most profitable cities.
WABC-AM doesn't need 50,000 watts of AM transmitter and the huge tower
right across the river from Manhattan to service NYC, the big profit area
of their footprint. They could service NYC with a kilowatt little
transmitter. But, they have a Class A license to service the Eastern
United States on their Federally-reserved frequency all night. They are
REQUIRED to provide a certain signal level across their licensed region,
which FCC has determined good engineering practice requires them to run
50,000 watts of RF to a certain antenna system. It costs WABC lots of
money to run a 50KW AM transmitter, but that's the REQUIREMENT of their
license. Sellphone companies should be treated exactly like public service
providers, like broadcasters, in this respect.
The sooner, the better for all involved.
To thumb their noses at regulators, is to lose their licenses so we can
find a provider who wants to make all that money actually providing the
level of service we expect. Sellphone carriers are NOT omnipotent.
--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics...
Larry
- 06-24-2010, 06:47 PM #21George KerbyGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
On 6/24/10 2:53 PM, in article [email protected], "Shaun"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/24/10 1:15 PM, George Kerby wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/10 10:57 AM, in article [email protected],
>> "DevilsPGD"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> In message<[email protected]> Shaun<[email protected]> was
>>> claimed to have wrote:
>>>
>>>> In case you missed it, the iPhone is only available on ATT Wireless--
>>>
>>> Mine isn't on AT&T.
>>>
>>>> consistently rated on the bottom among the major carriers due to network
>>>> overload-caused poor performance.
>>>
>>> This would seem to depend on where you live. In NYC service is
>>> miserable, but in the suburbs of Phoenix and Dallas (the only places
>>> I've used AT&T) the service works fine.
>>
>> Same in Houston and Tulsa. The only *real* problem places are NYC and
>> NavASS's crib, SF. Most of the rest of the nation is just fine, despite the
>> hatebois' propaganda.
>>
>
> Objective surveys like the recent one in Consumer Reports confirm that
> ATT is the worst carrier in most metro areas across the US.
>
> How other carriers would do under an iPhone network load is irrelevant.
> ATT has iPhone. If that trashes their network to the detriment of other
> users, that's on them-- now. It's not some hypothetical/theoretical
> issue, especially for the $2400 boys.
>
> As for service being good in PHX and DFW, good for those folks. But for
> those of us that travel nationally on a regular basis, we need reliable
> cellular service across our travel footprint.....
Well, fookin' excuse me. Consumer Reports is da bomb.
- 06-24-2010, 06:47 PM #22George KerbyGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
On 6/24/10 5:24 PM, in article [email protected], "Shaun"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/24/10 6:13 PM, John Navas wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:53:11 -0400, in<[email protected]>,
>> Shaun<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/24/10 1:15 PM, George Kerby wrote:
>>
>>>> Same in Houston and Tulsa. The only *real* problem places are NYC and
>>>> NavASS's crib, SF. Most of the rest of the nation is just fine, despite the
>>>> hatebois' propaganda.
>>>
>>> Objective surveys like the recent one in Consumer Reports confirm that
>>> ATT is the worst carrier in most metro areas across the US.
>>
>> Surveys actually show that AT&T has made enormous improvements in the
>> past year.
>>
>
>
> Yes indeed, they've improved from Truly Atrocious to Just Plain Lousy...
Much like yourself.
- 06-24-2010, 07:44 PM #23LarryGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote in news:michelle-
[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> To accomplish that, we need STANDARDIZED systems across ALL carriers,
>> then FORCE them to share resources with heavy fines for non-compliance
>> across their licensed regions, until they can bring their own systems
>> into compliance to provide stellar service all across their licensed
>> areas, not just in the most profitable cities.
>
> Larry, I didn't know that you're a socialist.
>
Please explain why expecting the FCC, tasked with protecting the public
from the communications corporations since 1934 (before that it was the
Commerce Department), make me out to be a socialist.
......or is this coming from an anarchist point of view, not much of a view
at all.
It's well past time for the FCC to fix this mess it got us into by letting
the communications corporations just do whatever they wanted "in the name
of deregulation", like the oil companies have shown us of late.....
Shall we continue to let the oil companies do whatever they want to us,
too?
Balls in your court, dear.
--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics...
Larry
- 06-24-2010, 08:26 PM #24Richard B. GilbertGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
Shaun wrote:
> On 6/24/10 9:14 AM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>> Shaun wrote:
>>> On 6/24/10 12:03 AM, DevilsPGD wrote:
>>>> In message<[email protected]> "Richard B.
>>>> Gilbert"<[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> DevilsPGD wrote:
>>>>>> In message<[email protected]> Shaun<[email protected]>
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> claimed to have wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do the math! At least $2400 to "be cool" and have a bunch of
>>>>>>> silly-ass
>>>>>>> apps that you'll pay even more for on a phone you'll not be able
>>>>>>> to make
>>>>>>> or receive calls numerous times a week. It's a cell PHONE people-- a
>>>>>>> tool from God to make and receive calls...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That might be how you use yours, but it's not the case for many of
>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're using under 500 minutes a month across 5 phones. Currently
>>>>>> we're
>>>>>> at two iPhones, two BlackBerry smartphones, and one "feature" (dumb"
>>>>>> phone), despite all being relatively heavy users of our devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure that I've even put a single voice minute on my
>>>>>> Blackberry
>>>>>> this month so far, despite the fact that I probably use it a dozen
>>>>>> times
>>>>>> daily.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you use it for web surfing, e-mail, texting, PDA Functions, or
>>>>> all four?
>>>>
>>>> That, and more.
>>>
>>> Yeah-- but you'll still have to cough up $2400 to find yourself with a
>>> paperweight in your pocket too many times a week...
>>
>> I don't see where you get that idea!
>>
>> I have never been unable to make a call in the twelve or so years that I
>> have been using cell phones! Of course I live, work, shop, etc. in the
>> Philadelphia (PA) area; it's densely populated and very well covered by
>> VZW. YMMV!
>
> In case you missed it, the iPhone is only available on ATT Wireless--
> consistently rated on the bottom among the major carriers due to network
> overload-caused poor performance.
>
I didn't miss it but the original message, the root of this thread, was
posted to alt.cellular.verizon!
<snip>
Maybe some day I'll figure out why this iPhone drivel is being posted to
alt.cellular.verizon. No matter how great the iPhone is, it does not
work on Verizon Wireless' network!
- 06-24-2010, 09:48 PM #25JustinGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
Oxford wrote on [Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:35:05 -0600]:
> It's going to be a great day tomorrow for all advanced phone users!
As long as you don't hold the phone at a certain angle...
Apple acknowledges antenna issues with iPhone 4
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20008799-260.html
- 06-24-2010, 10:44 PM #26nospamGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
In article <[email protected]>, Lewis
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I almost never have problems with AT&T and 3G, but today I was in
> downtown and I could not get any data or cell signal for over an hour. I
> tried to send a message via twitter and it took 72 minutes to send, and
> in that 72 minutes my iPhone lost more than a third of its charge.
wow, i'd have given up well before that.
- 06-24-2010, 10:53 PM #27Steve SobolGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> Please explain why expecting the FCC, tasked with protecting the public
> from the communications corporations since 1934 (before that it was the
> Commerce Department), make me out to be a socialist.
>
>
> .....or is this coming from an anarchist point of view, not much of a view
> at all.
>
> It's well past time for the FCC to fix this mess it got us into by letting
> the communications corporations just do whatever they wanted "in the name
> of deregulation", like the oil companies have shown us of late.....
>
> Shall we continue to let the oil companies do whatever they want to us,
> too?
>
> Balls in your court, dear.
This question has been answered many times, and you ignore the answer
every time it's given.
I'll give you a real-world example, less than two hours from my home:
The Mojave National Preserve.
It's a huge open expanse of desert that is federally protected land.
Very few people actually live there, and not a lot of people visit there
either.
Just to illustrate how empty the area is: One of this area's school
districts serves the southern edge of the Preserve. This district covers
2500 square miles, and they only need SIX schools to serve ALL of the
students they've enrolled.
Your requirement would mean that the carriers would have to cover tens
of thousands of square miles of empty land where they'd be unlikely to
recoup any reasonable portion of their investment because they wouldn't
have people using the network there.
So, although I don't typically agree with Ms. Steiner, I agree 100%
here. The government would be forcing the cell carriers to cover areas
where no one would use the service, operating at a loss. The money would
be put to much better use if they spent it on areas where people are
actually going to use their network.
I've said this before, speaking as someone who used to live in a corner
of Apple Valley, California that was right on the edge of town,
bordering another large unpopulated area; I was just past the edge of
Verizon's coverage there. For some time, the only carrier that worked
out there was Sprint (though that may have changed; I moved from Apple
Valley almost four years ago). In other words, I was one of the people
affected by a lack of coverage from most of the major carriers, and that
STILL doesn't change my opinion!
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
[email protected]
- 06-24-2010, 10:54 PM #28Steve SobolGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected]ndmecopies says...
>
> Verizon's network is so **** they can't handle a call and a data
> connection at the same time.
If you're going to rant, get your facts straight. It has nothing to do
with the network and everything to do with the "air interface" (wireless
technology) they use. CDMA can't do both at the same time. GSM can. at&t
is GSM; Verizon is CDMA.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
[email protected]
- 06-24-2010, 10:55 PM #29nospamGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
In article <[email protected]>, Lewis
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > nonsense. verizon has far better coverage and capacity, and while they
> > would be hit by the load, it would not have been anywhere near as bad.
>
> Verizon's network is so **** they can't handle a call and a data
> connection at the same time.
that turns out to be a minor limitation in real world use, especially
when you can't get a decent signal from at&t in the first place.
it's also a limitation of edge, so the original iphone had the very
same limitation, as does the current models when not on 3g (and with
at&t that is not that unusual).
cdma is expected to support voice over rev-a (vora) before lte is
widely deployed. or, they might go dual-band and use cdma for voice &
lte for data, at least early on.
> > at&t is still *adding* 3g capacity, while verizon has had it for years.
> > sprint is adding 4g
>
> Sprint's 4G is a marketing name. It is not 4G.
4g is a marketing name, period. sprint's 4g is faster than everyone
elses 3g, although coverage is still spotty so throughput varies, as it
does with every carrier. t-mobile's hspa+ is also quite good where they
have coverage, but that too is spotty.
> > and verizon is expected to deploy lte in the fall,
>
> We'll see.
yes we will. they're expected to launch lte in 25-30 cities by the end
of the year, however, it's likely to be data only, initially.
- 06-24-2010, 10:58 PM #30nospamGuest
Re: First Official iPhone 4 Teardown
In article <[email protected]>, Steve Sobol
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > Verizon's network is so **** they can't handle a call and a data
> > connection at the same time.
>
> If you're going to rant, get your facts straight. It has nothing to do
> with the network and everything to do with the "air interface" (wireless
> technology) they use. CDMA can't do both at the same time. GSM can. at&t
> is GSM; Verizon is CDMA.
not currently (although my sprint phone rang when i was tethering once,
i'm not sure how that happened, but it did). there is an update to cdma
that will support both at the same time.
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