The New MacBook Airs - Video & Specs

On 2010-10-24, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> Steve Carroll <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> from what I've read, products that use proprietary iterations
>
> it uses the new mSATA spec, so Apple's firm decision to only support
> open hardware and software remains intact. check it out:

....while still using things that NO ONE ELSE DOES.

It's great for the fanboys. They eat it right up despite the practical implications.


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On 2010-10-25, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lusotec <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > And, from what I've read, products that use proprietary iterations
>> > (broaching the question: Is the Mac really just a PC clone now?).
>>
>> *All* recent macs are PCs, making the Mac vs PC debates hilarious and/or
>> ridiculous depending on the mood at the time.
>
> But you are overlooking the fact Macs are built far better than any PC
> on the market. They also have much better software availability and

No they aren't. They use the same crap components and come out of the
same Chinese factories as any other PC.

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One of my i945 minis has a busted NIC and my nv9400 minis had to have
pretty much everything in it replaced by Apple's warranty support people.

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On 2010-10-25, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Hachiroku <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:19:18 -0600, Oxford wrote:
>>
>> > Lusotec <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > And, from what I've read, products that use proprietary iterations
>> >> > (broaching the question: Is the Mac really just a PC clone now?).
>> >>
>> >> *All* recent macs are PCs, making the Mac vs PC debates hilarious and/or
>> >> ridiculous depending on the mood at the time.
>> >
>> > But you are overlooking the fact Macs are built far better than any PC on
>> > the market. They also have much better software availability and value
>> > over time.
>>
>> You DO realize they are made in China at the same factory as Dells and
>> HPs, right?
>>
> But they are made to Apple specs regardless of who else they make
> equipment for.

....yes. I am sure that NVIDIA and Intel run off special batches of parts
"just for Apple". No, I don't think so. Apple gets the same parts as every
one else does.

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On 2010-10-25, Lusotec <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oxford wrote:
>> Lusotec wrote:

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>> They also have much better software availability and value over time.
>
> You must be from a parallel universe, because in this universe, Windows has
> much more software available.

This is just a hoot.

Those people can't actually believe that nonsense. Can they?

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On 2010-10-24, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Why has this debate been cross-posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy? Just
>> curious.
>
> it's probably because Linux users love Apple hardware and software,
> check out what just happened!
>
> http://www.apple.com/macbookair/software.html
>
> OSX is the world's top UNIX by over 11 to 1, so it's helpful for Linux
> users to see what is coming to them in the next 6+ years.

You mean like a bad knockoff of 15 year old X features (Spaces)?

If MacOS were really a Unix then I wouldn't have to worry about the
source of MPEG files from my video camera or mpegps files for Quicktime.
One sort of file would be interchangeable with any other ( device node
versus a discrete data file) and I wouldn't have to go through special
hoops to do simple things.

Hopefully, Linux will never "catch up" to MacOS.

MacOS is only Unix if you have a consumer's understanding of it.

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On 2010-10-25, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/24/2010 2:18 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Oxford<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Apple continues to crush the old Windows& Linux machines with perfectly
>>> crafted products.
>>
>> Yes--6 years after Sony did it:
>>
>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20020535-64.html
>>
>> Before 2010 MacBook Air, there was 2004 Sony
>>
>> Though a moot point now for consumers, in 2004 Sony came out with a
>> razor-thin wedge-shaped laptop that was a progenitor of the MacBook Air,
>> particularly Apple's 2010 incarnation...
>>
>> But Sony's offering may be one of the best examples of a laptop that
>> pretty much matches Apple's design--except Sony did it six years ago.
>> The nickel carbon body Vaio X505--no longer available--had some very
>> impressive specs for its time. (See 2004 review.)
>
> In many product categories, Apple is a fast-follower, but their products
> succeed where the products of the companies that came out with the first
> products in the category failed. Apple is extremely good at
> understanding the key deficiencies that explain why similar products
> fail, and correcting those when they enter a market.

With the iPad Apple has an advantage because it was willing to take
an alternate approach. They used ARM and the ipod platform to undercut
PC tablets based on price. Since most consumers are price fixated, this
turned out to be a very good tactical move.

Although it's still hard to see how things will pan out in the long
run.

Now, selling a prettier version of a $400 netbook for $1000 is a bit
of a tougher sell. By trying to sell a "better netbook" and doing it
conventionally it gains no advantage like it did with the iPad.

>
> The new Macbook Air is a response to the explosive success of the
> netbook, but it's a far better product than most netbooks. Unfortunately

I wouldn't go that far.

It has a weak CPU and an overpowered GPU. This makes it very much like
any other ION based netbook on the market and hardly remarkable by any stretch
of the imagination.

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On 2010-10-25, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> No
>> high end laptop buyer is going to put up with the lack of an integrated
>> HDMI port.
>
> You really don't need HDMI with 802.11n, iTunes 10 allows you to simply
> share your videos right into your TV, so the days of HDMI cables are
> coming to an end.

....it's funny how desperately Apple fanboys try to oversell wireless.

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On 2010-10-25, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/24/2010 8:34 PM, Hachiroku wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> I do know some teachers are specifying a non Mac system since Windows is
>> the accepted standard.
>
> No, a Mac is fine in those situations, but it has to dual boot. It's not
> that the professors are against Mac systems per se, it's that so many
> applications in business, science, engineering, and language are written
> only for Windows. I was giving a hard time to the person that runs our

I had an MS-DOS emulator for my Atari ST when I was in college for
just this thing. This gives you some idea how far this Microsoft dominance
BS goes back. Fortunately, the relative openness of DOS made the whole
emulation thing workable.

> community TV station because they are running all PCs in the city where
> Apple is the largest private employer. He admitted that he wanted to use
> Macs but that all the applications for TV broadcast distribution were
> only for Windows. I told him he should spend the extra money for Macs
> and install Windows. I think it looks really bad for the city to not use
> Apple products whenever possible. The library is all Windows, but it's
> run by the county and all their systems are based on applications that
> are only for Windows, and they can't be expected to spend extra on Macs
> (and they use a lot of client/server apps with thin clients, a market
> that Apple doesn't participate in.


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On 2010-10-25, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> George Kerby <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Oxtard, you are one of the primary reasons people hate Apple products
>> because of your arrogance. Do you not realize that what you do make people
>> dislike you? And that carries on to Apple.
>
> What? I've been one of the most helpful people on usenet over the last
> 20 years. Arrogance? What is wrong with having the very best in life?

Idiots like you make the rest of the platform look bad because it
makes the rest of your confederates look like a bunch of mindless idiots
that couldn't give a useful usability tip if your life depended on it.

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"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 10/24/2010 1:31 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Oct 24, 2:26 pm, Oxford<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Apple continues to crush the old Windows& Linux machines with perfectly
>>> crafted products.
>>
>>
>> And, from what I've read, products that use proprietary iterations
>> (broaching the question: Is the Mac really just a PC clone now?).
>
> No, the PC clones don't run OS-X.

Because Apple blocks them with legalities, not because they're incapable of
it.

Apple has built only PC clones since 2006.

On 10/24/10 7:23 PM, in article
[email protected],
"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote:

> George Kerby <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Oxtard, you are one of the primary reasons people hate Apple products
>> because of your arrogance. Do you not realize that what you do make people
>> dislike you? And that carries on to Apple.
>
> What? I've been one of the most helpful people on usenet over the last
> 20 years. Arrogance? What is wrong with having the very best in life?
>
> Nobody dislikes me except a dumb German named Peter. I ruined his
> career, I helped end Linux worldwide, so why are you mad at me?
>
> So George, put up or shut up...

You are a ****ing idiot.

On 10/25/10 6:18 AM, in article
[email protected], "News" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On 10/25/2010 7:08 AM, Lusotec wrote:
>> Oxford wrote:
>>> Lusotec wrote:
>>>> *All* recent macs are PCs, making the Mac vs PC debates hilarious and/or
>>>> ridiculous depending on the mood at the time.
>>>
>>> But you are overlooking the fact Macs are built far better than any PC
>>> on the market.
>>
>> Oh please, same factory, and same workers as other OEM brands.
>>
>>> They also have much better software availability and value over time.
>>
>> You must be from a parallel universe, because in this universe, Windows has
>> much more software available.
>>
>>> The Windows PC market has pretty much died out in the USA, everyone
>>> wants a Mac or nothing.
>>
>> The desktop market and install base is dominated by Microsoft with close to
>> 90% share in the USA. Is that what you call "died out"?
>>
>>> This was all predicted 20 years ago and the fact Apple is the 2nd most
>>> valuable company on the planet shows customers have spoken.
>>
>> Make a million predictions and some are likely to become reality!
>>
>>> Check out the engineering, it will amaze you...
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/mac/
>>
>> No it does not. That is over priced, run of the mill hardware. For the same
>> price one can get much better hardware.
>
>
>
> HP's model 500 and follow-on slates will bury Apple in the
> business/professional/instrumentation market.

And YOU are delusional.

Clavicus Vile stated in post [email protected] on 10/25/10 6:45
AM:

>
> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 10/24/2010 1:31 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On Oct 24, 2:26 pm, Oxford<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Apple continues to crush the old Windows& Linux machines with perfectly
>>>> crafted products.
>>>
>>>
>>> And, from what I've read, products that use proprietary iterations
>>> (broaching the question: Is the Mac really just a PC clone now?).
>>
>> No, the PC clones don't run OS-X.
>
> Because Apple blocks them with legalities, not because they're incapable of
> it.
>
> Apple has built only PC clones since 2006.

What is your rational for this claim? Do you have one? And, heck, I will
even grant you that you did not mean the iOS and other non-OS X devices they
make!


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On 10/25/2010 6:30 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2010-10-25, SMS<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 10/24/2010 8:34 PM, Hachiroku wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I do know some teachers are specifying a non Mac system since Windows is
>>> the accepted standard.
>>
>> No, a Mac is fine in those situations, but it has to dual boot. It's not
>> that the professors are against Mac systems per se, it's that so many
>> applications in business, science, engineering, and language are written
>> only for Windows. I was giving a hard time to the person that runs our
>
> I had an MS-DOS emulator for my Atari ST when I was in college for
> just this thing. This gives you some idea how far this Microsoft dominance
> BS goes back. Fortunately, the relative openness of DOS made the whole
> emulation thing workable.

And don't forget the Microsoft Z-80 Softcard for the Apple II which
allowed CP/M to run on the Apple II. Sold by Apple dealers.

"http://apple2history.org/wp-content/gallery/peripheral-cards-non-apple/softcardad.jpg"

"Snit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:C8EAEBE5.80219%[email protected]...
> Clavicus Vile stated in post [email protected] on 10/25/10
> 6:45
> AM:
>
>>
>> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 10/24/2010 1:31 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>> On Oct 24, 2:26 pm, Oxford<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Apple continues to crush the old Windows& Linux machines with
>>>>> perfectly
>>>>> crafted products.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And, from what I've read, products that use proprietary iterations
>>>> (broaching the question: Is the Mac really just a PC clone now?).
>>>
>>> No, the PC clones don't run OS-X.
>>
>> Because Apple blocks them with legalities, not because they're incapable
>> of
>> it.
>>
>> Apple has built only PC clones since 2006.
>
> What is your rational for this claim?

The hardware Apple has sold since 2006.

> Do you have one? And, heck, I will
> even grant you that you did not mean the iOS and other non-OS X devices
> they
> make!

Are you also willing to grant dropped things fall down rather than up?