The New MacBook Airs - Video & Specs

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Lusotec <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > And, from what I've read, products that use proprietary iterations
>> > (broaching the question: Is the Mac really just a PC clone now?).
>>
>> *All* recent macs are PCs, making the Mac vs PC debates hilarious and/or
>> ridiculous depending on the mood at the time.
>
> But you are overlooking the fact Macs are built far better than any PC
> on the market.

They're built in the same Chinese factories any PC is built in.

> They also have much better software availability and
> value over time.

Until Apple decides not to support it anymore, like they did with Flash and
Java? LOL

> The Windows PC market has pretty much died out in the USA, everyone
> wants a Mac or nothing. This was all predicted 20 years ago and the fact
> Apple is the 2nd most valuable company on the planet shows customers
> have spoken.

WTF have you been smoking? Must be some strong ****! LOL

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"George Kerby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> On 10/25/10 6:18 AM, in article
> [email protected], "News" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/25/2010 7:08 AM, Lusotec wrote:
>>> Oxford wrote:
>>>> Lusotec wrote:
>>>>> *All* recent macs are PCs, making the Mac vs PC debates hilarious
>>>>> and/or
>>>>> ridiculous depending on the mood at the time.
>>>>
>>>> But you are overlooking the fact Macs are built far better than any PC
>>>> on the market.
>>>
>>> Oh please, same factory, and same workers as other OEM brands.
>>>
>>>> They also have much better software availability and value over time.
>>>
>>> You must be from a parallel universe, because in this universe, Windows
>>> has
>>> much more software available.
>>>
>>>> The Windows PC market has pretty much died out in the USA, everyone
>>>> wants a Mac or nothing.
>>>
>>> The desktop market and install base is dominated by Microsoft with close
>>> to
>>> 90% share in the USA. Is that what you call "died out"?
>>>
>>>> This was all predicted 20 years ago and the fact Apple is the 2nd most
>>>> valuable company on the planet shows customers have spoken.
>>>
>>> Make a million predictions and some are likely to become reality!
>>>
>>>> Check out the engineering, it will amaze you...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/mac/
>>>
>>> No it does not. That is over priced, run of the mill hardware. For the
>>> same
>>> price one can get much better hardware.
>>
>>
>>
>> HP's model 500 and follow-on slates will bury Apple in the
>> business/professional/instrumentation market.
>
> And YOU are delusional.

There's nothing like a well-reasoned reply... nothing like it in your
answer, that is.

On 10/25/2010 4:18 AM, News wrote:

> HP's model 500 and follow-on slates will bury Apple in the
> business/professional/instrumentation market.

But will likely have little impact on sales of the iPad which is not
used in any of those markets anyway. HP isn't even selling the 500
through retail outlets. Two totally different markets.

The 64GB Slate is $100 more than the 64GB iPad, and there are no cheaper
models with less memory.

OTOH, the SD slot, camera, and USB ports make the Slate a pretty
compelling device for those that don't care about running iOS
applications. Plug in a USB GPS stick and have a very good mobile GPS.
Plug in a USB DVD drive and it's a DVD player for the car. The Slate is
going to be a device that is used in ways HP never intended.

On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 08:45:09 -0500, "Clavicus Vile"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>> And, from what I've read, products that use proprietary iterations
>>> (broaching the question: Is the Mac really just a PC clone now?).
>>
>> No, the PC clones don't run OS-X.
>
>Because Apple blocks them with legalities, not because they're incapable of
>it.

For a particular value of "incapable".

For whatever reason, the Mac is more than just a clone. Do you know
of anybody who runs a Mac as a clone, with OS X on it? I don't.

Saying that it's "just a clone", is as valid as saying "it's just a
paperweight", as it can be made into a clone or into a paperweight if
that's what you choose to do.

That's not the choice anybody else makes.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

On 10/25/10 10:40 AM, in article [email protected], "Clavicus
Vile" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "George Kerby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:C8EAFEFF.41378%[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/25/10 6:18 AM, in article
>> [email protected], "News" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/25/2010 7:08 AM, Lusotec wrote:
>>>> Oxford wrote:
>>>>> Lusotec wrote:
>>>>>> *All* recent macs are PCs, making the Mac vs PC debates hilarious
>>>>>> and/or
>>>>>> ridiculous depending on the mood at the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you are overlooking the fact Macs are built far better than any PC
>>>>> on the market.
>>>>
>>>> Oh please, same factory, and same workers as other OEM brands.
>>>>
>>>>> They also have much better software availability and value over time.
>>>>
>>>> You must be from a parallel universe, because in this universe, Windows
>>>> has
>>>> much more software available.
>>>>
>>>>> The Windows PC market has pretty much died out in the USA, everyone
>>>>> wants a Mac or nothing.
>>>>
>>>> The desktop market and install base is dominated by Microsoft with close
>>>> to
>>>> 90% share in the USA. Is that what you call "died out"?
>>>>
>>>>> This was all predicted 20 years ago and the fact Apple is the 2nd most
>>>>> valuable company on the planet shows customers have spoken.
>>>>
>>>> Make a million predictions and some are likely to become reality!
>>>>
>>>>> Check out the engineering, it will amaze you...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/mac/
>>>>
>>>> No it does not. That is over priced, run of the mill hardware. For the
>>>> same
>>>> price one can get much better hardware.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HP's model 500 and follow-on slates will bury Apple in the
>>> business/professional/instrumentation market.
>>
>> And YOU are delusional.
>
> There's nothing like a well-reasoned reply... nothing like it in your
> answer, that is.
>
OK, Vile, here ya go...

<http://seekingalpha.com/article/2320...to-lead-rivals
?source=yahoo>

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:28:49 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>except the original MacBook Air was a failure in the marketplace similar
>to how Sony's unit failed in the marketplace.

Good business expects some failures - and then learns from them.

And the original MacBook Air can be considered a prototype that made
money instead of costing like most prototypes.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Clavicus Vile stated in post [email protected] on 10/25/10 8:30
AM:

....
>>> Apple has built only PC clones since 2006.
>>
>> What is your rational for this claim?
>
> The hardware Apple has sold since 2006.

So you can mention the hardware but not come up with a rational for your
conclusion. Got it.

>> Do you have one? And, heck, I will even grant you that you did not mean the
>> iOS and other non-OS X devices they make!
>>
> Are you also willing to grant dropped things fall down rather than up?

I suggest you go get yourself a helium balloon and test your theory.



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On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 03:28:33 +0000 (UTC), Hachiroku
<[email protected]> wrote:

>You do realize they are made in China in the same factory as Dells and
>HPs, right?

Which has nothing to do with the quality of the product. Or are you
complaining about jobs going overseas?

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:30:06 -0500, "Clavicus Vile"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>> Apple has built only PC clones since 2006.
>>
>> What is your rational for this claim?
>
>The hardware Apple has sold since 2006.

I admit my mighty-mouse does work on a PC, and my iPad plugs into a
PC. It doesn't make them PC clones.

And my Mac has the same chip as a PC. It also has a display, USB
ports, and a keyboard. None of that makes it a PC clone.

>> Do you have one? And, heck, I will
>> even grant you that you did not mean the iOS and other non-OS X devices
>> they
>> make!
>
>Are you also willing to grant dropped things fall down rather than up?

Yes, we can assume you don't mean what you say. Isn't that the
nature of trolls?

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:36:05 -0500, "Clavicus Vile"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>
>> But you are overlooking the fact Macs are built far better than any PC
>> on the market.
>
>They're built in the same Chinese factories any PC is built in.

You keep saying that, as though it meant something significant.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

"Oxford" wrote in message
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Apple continues to crush the old Windows & Linux machines with perfectly
crafted products. The new 11 & 13 inch MacBook Airs will wipe out the
rest of the Windows and Linux netbook market.

A wonderful show!

If you don't like to see advanced software, jump ahead to about 70
minutes in, otherwise just watch the whole thing... it really provides a
glimpse into the future.

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/october-2010/

Short Version:

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/#macbook-air-video

Specs Here:

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/specs.html

The new toys are here, amazing!

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...ly/macbook_air

oxford


The only problem is that the Mac OS does not run anything beyond iTunes. So
if all you need is a stylish MP3 player the new Mac Air is just the ticket.
And then it nags you to death about buy this! buy this! buy this! You
have to be a real Apple lover to put up with all of that and then have a
Windows machine handy for the times you may want to actually do something.

On 10/25/2010 9:06 AM, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:36:05 -0500, "Clavicus Vile"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> But you are overlooking the fact Macs are built far better than any PC
>>> on the market.
>>
>> They're built in the same Chinese factories any PC is built in.
>
> You keep saying that, as though it meant something significant.

Those factories build a wide variety of products. The quality, or lack
thereof, is not solely a function of the factory, but more of the design.

That said, there are definitely different quality classes of factories
for the building of products. You pay more for Quanta to build a laptop
than you pay Inventec or Compal or Foxconn. I'm pretty sure that Apple
is using Quanta for the Macbook Pro and the Macbook Air (as did Sony)
because of quality problems with lower cost manufacturers. I think the
higher end Dell machines (Latitude) are also being made by Quanta, but
I'm not sure of this. HP moved a bunch of stuff from Quanta over to
Inventec.

And don't forget the white box manufacturers, building machines out of
"parts from all over the world that no one else wants" and selling them
under various second tier brand names at very low prices. Those are the
$300 laptops you see on sale at the big box stores, using CPUs with a
very high TDP (and noisy fans to compensate), screens that have too many
bad pixels to be accepted by Sony, Apple, Dell, or HP, etc.

It's very hard to know who is building which laptop. Sometimes you can
get clues from stuff in the BIOS if you know what to look for.

"Snit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Clavicus Vile stated in post [email protected] on 10/25/10
> 8:30
> AM:
>
> ...
>>>> Apple has built only PC clones since 2006.
>>>
>>> What is your rational for this claim?
>>
>> The hardware Apple has sold since 2006.
>
> So you can mention the hardware but not come up with a rational for your
> conclusion. Got it.

You don't got it.

>>> Do you have one? And, heck, I will even grant you that you did not mean
>>> the
>>> iOS and other non-OS X devices they make!
>>>
>> Are you also willing to grant dropped things fall down rather than up?
>
> I suggest you go get yourself a helium balloon and test your theory.
>
>
>
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> [INSERT .SIG HERE]
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Clavicus Vile stated in post [email protected] on 10/25/10 9:47
AM:

>
> "Snit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:C8EAF614.8024B%[email protected]...
>> Clavicus Vile stated in post [email protected] on 10/25/10
>> 8:30
>> AM:
>>
>> ...
>>>>> Apple has built only PC clones since 2006.
>>>>
>>>> What is your rational for this claim?
>>>
>>> The hardware Apple has sold since 2006.
>>
>> So you can mention the hardware but not come up with a rational for your
>> conclusion. Got it.
>
> You don't got it.

Oh. Wait. Sorry about that. I do now. Thanks!

>>>> Do you have one? And, heck, I will even grant you that you did not mean
>>>> the
>>>> iOS and other non-OS X devices they make!
>>>>
>>> Are you also willing to grant dropped things fall down rather than up?
>>
>> I suggest you go get yourself a helium balloon and test your theory.

Did you do this?


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"Snit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Clavicus Vile stated in post [email protected] on 10/25/10
> 9:47
> AM:
>
>>
>> "Snit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:C8EAF614.8024B%[email protected]...
>>> Clavicus Vile stated in post [email protected] on 10/25/10
>>> 8:30
>>> AM:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>>>> Apple has built only PC clones since 2006.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your rational for this claim?
>>>>
>>>> The hardware Apple has sold since 2006.
>>>
>>> So you can mention the hardware but not come up with a rational for your
>>> conclusion. Got it.
>>
>> You don't got it.
>
> Oh. Wait. Sorry about that. I do now. Thanks!

You still don't got it.

>>>>> Do you have one? And, heck, I will even grant you that you did not
>>>>> mean
>>>>> the
>>>>> iOS and other non-OS X devices they make!
>>>>>
>>>> Are you also willing to grant dropped things fall down rather than up?
>>>
>>> I suggest you go get yourself a helium balloon and test your theory.
>
> Did you do this?
>
>
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> [INSERT .SIG HERE]
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