New AT&T Cell Tower Arguments Goes Past 2:00 a.m. in Cupertino

AT&T is trying to get approval for a massive new cell tower adjacent to
a neighborhood of $2 million homes in Cupertino. Last night there were
21 residents speaking in opposition to the tower. Ironically, many of
these same residents had opposed a tower located on top of a high
school, which would have been much less intrusive. The new tower would
provide AT&T coverage to a neighborhood where coverage has always been
very poor for all carriers other than Verizon.

In the end, the council did not deny or uphold the appeal by the
residents, but sent it back for more study on other locations. Contrary
to what some people believe, cities do have the right to deny permits
for towers if there are valid reasons and alternative locations. There
are several good locations for this tower that would impact the
neighborhood less, but they would be more costly for various reasons
related to terrain and existing structures. It's only been in process
for two years now. It took T-Mobile/Cingular nearly 10 years to get a
tower in another location for their 1900 MHz PCS network.

AT&T should have had Steve Jobs come and speak.

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On 11/2/2010 12:57 PM, SMS wrote:
> AT&T is trying to get approval for a massive new cell tower adjacent to
> a neighborhood of $2 million homes in Cupertino. Last night there were
> 21 residents speaking in opposition to the tower. Ironically, many of
> these same residents had opposed a tower located on top of a high
> school, which would have been much less intrusive. The new tower would
> provide AT&T coverage to a neighborhood where coverage has always been
> very poor for all carriers other than Verizon.
>
> In the end, the council did not deny or uphold the appeal by the
> residents, but sent it back for more study on other locations. Contrary
> to what some people believe, cities do have the right to deny permits
> for towers if there are valid reasons and alternative locations. There
> are several good locations for this tower that would impact the
> neighborhood less, but they would be more costly for various reasons
> related to terrain and existing structures. It's only been in process
> for two years now. It took T-Mobile/Cingular nearly 10 years to get a
> tower in another location for their 1900 MHz PCS network.
>
> AT&T should have had Steve Jobs come and speak.

....to address the same group whinging about AT&T service and antennagate.

luddites

On 11/2/2010 11:59 AM, QN wrote:
> luddites

Not really, the problem is there is a much less intrusive location that
AT&T didn't want to look at because of extra expense. They chose a
location directly adjacent to a residential area rather than a site in
the center of the industrial park.

"http://i55.tinypic.com/sm8574.jpg"

They've got to do something as coverage in that part of town on AT&T is
very poor. They need more capacity and more coverage. It's embarrassing
that in Apple's home city the iPhone can't be used in large areas.

In article <[email protected]>,
SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 11/2/2010 11:59 AM, QN wrote:
> > luddites
>
> Not really, the problem is there is a much less intrusive location that
> AT&T didn't want to look at because of extra expense. They chose a
> location directly adjacent to a residential area rather than a site in
> the center of the industrial park.
>
> "http://i55.tinypic.com/sm8574.jpg"
>
> They've got to do something as coverage in that part of town on AT&T is
> very poor. They need more capacity and more coverage. It's embarrassing
> that in Apple's home city the iPhone can't be used in large areas.

$2 million homes by 85?

Usually there is good signal on the big roads and freeways. Good on De
Anza, good on 280 and good on Foothill Expressway.

On 11/3/2010 7:06 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> SMS<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> AT&T is trying to get approval for a massive new cell tower adjacent to
>> a neighborhood of $2 million homes in Cupertino. Last night there were
>> 21 residents speaking in opposition to the tower.
>
> If you want a tower there, you need to refocus the moonbats' attention
> on the evil TV and telecom satellites that are beaming radio waves down
> into their houses RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE. I mean, the NERVE--don't they
> know people can DIE from EMR?
>
> Make the moonbats go crazy just trying to live day to day.


Not to mention Google Streetview vans nabbing their open APs.

On 02/11/10 8:30 PM, poldy wrote:

> $2 million homes by 85?

Definitely. All teardown/rebuilds of small Monta Vista area homes.

> Usually there is good signal on the big roads and freeways. Good on De
> Anza, good on 280 and good on Foothill Expressway.

That's true, but in the Monta Vista area the coverage is very poor for
all carriers except Verizon.

On 11/3/2010 10:26 AM, Dennis Ferguson wrote:
> On 2010-11-02, SMS<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/2/2010 11:59 AM, QN wrote:
>>> luddites
>>
>> Not really, the problem is there is a much less intrusive location that
>> AT&T didn't want to look at because of extra expense. They chose a
>> location directly adjacent to a residential area rather than a site in
>> the center of the industrial park.
>>
>> "http://i55.tinypic.com/sm8574.jpg"
>
> According to the report I saw the tower site proposed is actually
> at Results Way which is in the industrial park and inside the
> circle you drew on your picture, not at your dot.

Those reports are incorrect, or at least incomplete.

You can look at the webcast of the Nov 1 city council meeting and see
the actual map of proposed locations and actual location. Or just go to
<http://cupertino.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=14&clip_id=1037&meta_id=53189>.
The tower is in the back of the property up against Imperial Avenue, as
shown on the map.

The residents in that neighborhood would obviously like the tower moved
away from their houses and over close to Bubb Road where it would not be
near any homes. Of course the property owner would like it in the back
and they are not really concerned about the nearby residences. Apple has
several facilities on Bubb Road, but I think they are leased not owned,
so they would not be able to agree to a tower.

There's actually a bit more to this whole thing as well. Several years
ago the property owner where the tower is proposed tried to get this
parcel rezoned from commercial to residential which would have netted a
profit of tens of millions of dollars. The developer pushing for the
rezoning hired (or somehow persuaded) a local politician, Paul Fong, to
push for the rezoning and Fong sent out a series of highly misleading
mailers to residents. The rezoning attempt failed, amazingly, since
usually the developers "encourage" the city council members to vote for
rezoning, but one council member recused himself from the vote because
he lived in the neighborhood that would be negatively impacted by the
new development.

"http://missioncitylantern.blogspot.com/2008/03/cupertino-courier-letter-concerning.html"

The local residents fiercely opposed the rezoning, and I expect that
putting the tower up against their property is a little payback for
killing the rezoning deal.

SMS <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 11/3/2010 10:26 AM, Dennis Ferguson wrote:
>> On 2010-11-02, SMS<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 11/2/2010 11:59 AM, QN wrote:
>>>> luddites
>>>
>>> Not really, the problem is there is a much less intrusive location
>>> that AT&T didn't want to look at because of extra expense. They
>>> chose a location directly adjacent to a residential area rather than
>>> a site in the center of the industrial park.
>>>
>>> "http://i55.tinypic.com/sm8574.jpg"
>>
>> According to the report I saw the tower site proposed is actually
>> at Results Way which is in the industrial park and inside the
>> circle you drew on your picture, not at your dot.
>
> Those reports are incorrect, or at least incomplete.
>
> You can look at the webcast of the Nov 1 city council meeting and see
> the actual map of proposed locations and actual location. Or just go
> to
> <http://cupertino.granicus.com/MetaVi...4&clip_id=1037
&m
> eta_id=53189>. The tower is in the back of the property up against
> Imperial Avenue, as shown on the map.
>
> The residents in that neighborhood would obviously like the tower
> moved away from their houses and over close to Bubb Road where it
> would not be near any homes. Of course the property owner would like
> it in the back and they are not really concerned about the nearby
> residences. Apple has several facilities on Bubb Road, but I think
> they are leased not owned, so they would not be able to agree to a
> tower.
>
> There's actually a bit more to this whole thing as well. Several years
> ago the property owner where the tower is proposed tried to get this
> parcel rezoned from commercial to residential which would have netted
> a profit of tens of millions of dollars. The developer pushing for the
> rezoning hired (or somehow persuaded) a local politician, Paul Fong,
> to push for the rezoning and Fong sent out a series of highly
> misleading mailers to residents. The rezoning attempt failed,
> amazingly, since usually the developers "encourage" the city council
> members to vote for rezoning, but one council member recused himself
> from the vote because he lived in the neighborhood that would be
> negatively impacted by the new development.
>
> "http://missioncitylantern.blogspot.com/2008/03/cupertino-courier-
lette
> r-concerning.html"
>
> The local residents fiercely opposed the rezoning, and I expect that
> putting the tower up against their property is a little payback for
> killing the rezoning deal.
>

Seems like Jobs would have his own 500 ft monster on the Apple campus,
doesn't it?

On 11/5/2010 9:57 PM, Fred wrote:

> Seems like Jobs would have his own 500 ft monster on the Apple campus,
> doesn't it?

There may be, but the main Apple campus is about a mile away.

SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:4cd50ffa$0$22162
[email protected]:

> On 11/5/2010 9:57 PM, Fred wrote:
>
>> Seems like Jobs would have his own 500 ft monster on the Apple campus,
>> doesn't it?
>
> There may be, but the main Apple campus is about a mile away.
>

We flatlanders can't imagine the problems those living in mountainous
terrain have with multipath and signal blocking....

On 06/11/10 9:26 AM, Fred wrote:
> SMS<[email protected]> wrote in news:4cd50ffa$0$22162
> [email protected]:
>
>> On 11/5/2010 9:57 PM, Fred wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like Jobs would have his own 500 ft monster on the Apple campus,
>>> doesn't it?
>>
>> There may be, but the main Apple campus is about a mile away.
>>
>
> We flatlanders can't imagine the problems those living in mountainous
> terrain have with multipath and signal blocking....

It's not even terribly hilly, but there are some valleys and hills. With
GSM you only connect with one tower at a time so it's challenging to
cover that terrain. Verizon has no problems in the area in question but
Verizon has no iPhone.

On 11/6/2010 7:26 PM, SMS wrote:
> [...]
> It's not even terribly hilly, but there are some valleys and hills. With
> GSM you only connect with one tower at a time so it's challenging to
> cover that terrain. Verizon has no problems in the area in question but
> Verizon has no iPhone.

If you're curious where the towers are located, visit:

<http://sfocellsites.com/mappageA.htm>

and wait until all the pushpins are drawn.

On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:26:53 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>It's not even terribly hilly, but there are some valleys and hills. With
>GSM you only connect with one tower at a time so it's challenging to
>cover that terrain. Verizon has no problems in the area in question but
>Verizon has no iPhone.

Steve Jobs mumbled something about the Apple campus having strong
signals from both Verizon and AT&T.
<http://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/16/verizon-cell-towers-on-apples-campus-likely-mean-little/>

You can checkout the tower infestation around 1 Infinite Loop (Apple
campus in Cupertino) and 5 Results Way (proposed new tower) at:
<http://www.antennasearch.com>
Not everything listed are cell towers. If you click on one of the
Google map objects, it will display the owner and services. The
transmitter list spreadsheet for the Apple area shows 7 transmitters.
4 are for paging and security. 3 are 22GHz point to point links to
off campus Apple buildings. No cell *TOWERS* listed for the Apple
campus. However, the list may not include all building mounted sites,
microcellular, RoF (radio over fiber), and other mutations. Note that
Verizon sites are also listed as GTE.

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On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:00:52 -0700, Thad Floryan <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 11/6/2010 7:26 PM, SMS wrote:
>> [...]
>> It's not even terribly hilly, but there are some valleys and hills. With
>> GSM you only connect with one tower at a time so it's challenging to
>> cover that terrain. Verizon has no problems in the area in question but

>If you're curious where the towers are located, visit:
><http://sfocellsites.com/mappageA.htm>
>and wait until all the pushpins are drawn.

Thanks, but it only shows T-Mobile and AT&T cell sites:
I now have about 1,550 cell sites in the greater SF Bay Area
for T-Mobile, and about 1,150 sites for AT&T. T-Mobile cell
sites are in pink, or brown if they require more research.
AT&T sites are in blue, or green if they require more research.

Checking 1 Infinite Loop, it shows both T-Mobile (2559) and AT&T
(1039) cell sites on the Apple campus. There are other sites nearby.

I also checked:
<http://www.cellumap.com>
<http://www.americantower.com>
<http://www.crowncastle.com/tower-rental-services/tower-locator.aspx>
etc... which didn't show anything more than:
<http://www.antennasearch.com>

>> Verizon has no iPhone.

Verizon now has the Wi-Fi only version of the iPad:
<http://www.verizonwireless.com/ipad.shtml>


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