Self Charging phones?

Take a look.
<http://www.negrielectronics.com/blog...atents-charge-
less-mobile-phone-batteries/>

It's gonna be a very interesting decade....(c;]

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In news:[email protected] Fred
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Take a look.
><http://www.negrielectronics.com/blog...atents-charge-
> less-mobile-phone-batteries/>
>
> It's gonna be a very interesting decade....(c;]

Right up there with the hand-crank radio.

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"Bert Hyman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In news:[email protected] Fred
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Take a look.
> ><http://www.negrielectronics.com/blog...atents-charge-
> > less-mobile-phone-batteries/>
> >
> > It's gonna be a very interesting decade....(c;]
>
> Right up there with the hand-crank radio.

"Chargeless" devices have already been around for a long time - numerous
solar powered calculators, etc. and there's an advert that has been playing
here recently on the radio for a sunlight powered wristwatch which doesn't
need battery changes.

Nokia, of course with zero ability to actually innnovate simply steals the
idea, patents it, and then will then no doubt go around suing everyone who
uses it ... it's the only way thay can make money these days.

In news:[email protected] "Your Name" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> "Bert Hyman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In news:[email protected] Fred
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Take a look.
>> ><http://www.negrielectronics.com/blog...a-patents-char
>> >ge-
>> > less-mobile-phone-batteries/>
>> >
>> > It's gonna be a very interesting decade....(c;]
>>
>> Right up there with the hand-crank radio.
>
> "Chargeless" devices have already been around for a long time -
> numerous solar powered calculators, etc. and there's an advert that
> has been playing here recently on the radio for a sunlight powered
> wristwatch which doesn't need battery changes.

These aren't solar powered, but use the movements of the
user/carrier/wearer to actuate a piezoelectric device to produce small
amounts of electricity.

> Nokia, of course with zero ability to actually innnovate simply steals
> the idea, patents it, and then will then no doubt go around suing
> everyone who uses it ... it's the only way thay can make money these
> days.

Seiko's been selling kineticly powered watches for some time, and the US
military has been fooling around with generating power from soldiers
movements.

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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN [email protected]

In article <[email protected]>, Bert Hyman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In news:[email protected] "Your Name" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > "Bert Hyman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> In news:[email protected] Fred
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Take a look.
> >> ><http://www.negrielectronics.com/blog...a-patents-char
> >> >ge-
> >> > less-mobile-phone-batteries/>
> >> >
> >> > It's gonna be a very interesting decade....(c;]
> >>
> >> Right up there with the hand-crank radio.
> >
> > "Chargeless" devices have already been around for a long time -
> > numerous solar powered calculators, etc. and there's an advert that
> > has been playing here recently on the radio for a sunlight powered
> > wristwatch which doesn't need battery changes.
>
> These aren't solar powered, but use the movements of the
> user/carrier/wearer to actuate a piezoelectric device to produce small
> amounts of electricity.
>
> > Nokia, of course with zero ability to actually innnovate simply steals
> > the idea, patents it, and then will then no doubt go around suing
> > everyone who uses it ... it's the only way thay can make money these
> > days.
>
> Seiko's been selling kineticly powered watches for some time, and the US
> military has been fooling around with generating power from soldiers
> movements.

Yep, that's another way to make a self-charge portable device which has
also been around for a long time. It looks like the "Hollyweird disease"
of there being nothing new and resurrecting the past is now infecting the
mobile phone industry as well as may others. :-(

On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 09:25:10 +1300, "Your Name" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>and there's an advert that has been playing
>here recently on the radio for a sunlight powered wristwatch which doesn't
>need battery changes.

I got one of those back when I was in middle school in the late 70's.
Had it for about 7 or 8 years, until I lost it. But it never needed a
battery change.

On 03 Dec 2010 20:30:11 GMT, Bert Hyman <[email protected]> wrote:

>These aren't solar powered, but use the movements of the
>user/carrier/wearer to actuate a piezoelectric device to produce small
>amounts of electricity.

I know at least one has been solar powered, and that was from over 30
years ago. It turned out to be not as practical as you would think,
because I had to make sure it got enough light to recharge the
battery. That meant either taking it off when I got home and leaving
it under a brightly lit lamp, or leaving it in direct sunlight, which
often caused the display to blacken due to the heat. Nice idea, but a
bit ahead of its time.

"The Ghost of General Lee" wrote in message
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On 03 Dec 2010 20:30:11 GMT, Bert Hyman <[email protected]> wrote:

>These aren't solar powered, but use the movements of the
>user/carrier/wearer to actuate a piezoelectric device to produce small
>amounts of electricity.

I know at least one has been solar powered, and that was from over 30
years ago. It turned out to be not as practical as you would think,
because I had to make sure it got enough light to recharge the
battery. That meant either taking it off when I got home and leaving
it under a brightly lit lamp, or leaving it in direct sunlight, which
often caused the display to blacken due to the heat. Nice idea, but a
bit ahead of its time.

On the whole, I still think I'd prefer using charging tables or charging
mats- simple and easy- just place your device on them and they're charged up
through electric induction.

http://www.powermat.com/

In article <[email protected]>, "Steve O"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "The Ghost of General Lee" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On 03 Dec 2010 20:30:11 GMT, Bert Hyman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >These aren't solar powered, but use the movements of the
> >user/carrier/wearer to actuate a piezoelectric device to produce small
> >amounts of electricity.
>
> I know at least one has been solar powered, and that was from over 30
> years ago. It turned out to be not as practical as you would think,
> because I had to make sure it got enough light to recharge the
> battery. That meant either taking it off when I got home and leaving
> it under a brightly lit lamp, or leaving it in direct sunlight, which
> often caused the display to blacken due to the heat. Nice idea, but a
> bit ahead of its time.
>
> On the whole, I still think I'd prefer using charging tables or charging
> mats- simple and easy- just place your device on them and they're charged up
> through electric induction.
>
> http://www.powermat.com/

You can even get induction mats inserted into your house's garage floor /
parking space to recharge your electric car. :-)

Of course, after years of doing next to nothing with their infrastructure
the greedy electricity companies are now running around desparately trying
to upgrade their equipment to cope with the (perceived) extra load needed
to keep everyone's car charged. The same thing happened, and still is,
with greedy telephone companies and mobile phone companies. :-\

[email protected] (Your Name) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Of course, after years of doing next to nothing with their
> infrastructure the greedy electricity companies are now running around
> desparately trying to upgrade their equipment to cope with the
> (perceived) extra load needed to keep everyone's car charged. The same
> thing happened, and still is, with greedy telephone companies and
> mobile phone companies. :-\
>
>

No they're not. Over on the Smart forum, one of the guys in
Californicate reports they just raised the electric rates for charging
the electric cars up to 55-75c/KwH. If electric cars become popular, all
of us will simply be paying 5 to 10 times as much for electricity as we
are now to pay for the increased electrical load, requiring more power
stations (coal because the greenies have pretty much trashed building
more nuclear stations), which simply moves the pollution to the power
plant much worse because charging Li-Ion batteries is only about 65%
efficient, coal power plants are about 35% efficient and 1/3 of the power
generated in America is simply lost by the leakage in the archaic above-
ground electrical system of the 1930's.

Everybody will pay to recharge that electric car for the greenie bastard
down the street....just watch it happen!

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Your Name) wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > Of course, after years of doing next to nothing with their
> > infrastructure the greedy electricity companies are now running around
> > desparately trying to upgrade their equipment to cope with the
> > (perceived) extra load needed to keep everyone's car charged. The same
> > thing happened, and still is, with greedy telephone companies and
> > mobile phone companies. :-\
>
> No they're not. Over on the Smart forum, one of the guys in
> Californicate reports they just raised the electric rates for charging
> the electric cars up to 55-75c/KwH. If electric cars become popular, all
> of us will simply be paying 5 to 10 times as much for electricity as we
> are now to pay for the increased electrical load, requiring more power
> stations (coal because the greenies have pretty much trashed building
> more nuclear stations), which simply moves the pollution to the power
> plant much worse because charging Li-Ion batteries is only about 65%
> efficient, coal power plants are about 35% efficient and 1/3 of the power
> generated in America is simply lost by the leakage in the archaic above-
> ground electrical system of the 1930's.
>
> Everybody will pay to recharge that electric car for the greenie bastard
> down the street....just watch it happen!

Of course it will. The greedy simply get greedier, and they'll try to hide
it behind excuses of adding more infrastructure, etc. while still actually
doing as little as they can get away with. :-(

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Your Name) wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > Of course, after years of doing next to nothing with their
> > infrastructure the greedy electricity companies are now running around
> > desparately trying to upgrade their equipment to cope with the
> > (perceived) extra load needed to keep everyone's car charged. The same
> > thing happened, and still is, with greedy telephone companies and
> > mobile phone companies. :-\
>
> No they're not. Over on the Smart forum, one of the guys in
> Californicate reports they just raised the electric rates for charging
> the electric cars up to 55-75c/KwH. If electric cars become popular, all
> of us will simply be paying 5 to 10 times as much for electricity as we
> are now to pay for the increased electrical load, requiring more power
> stations (coal because the greenies have pretty much trashed building
> more nuclear stations), which simply moves the pollution to the power
> plant much worse because charging Li-Ion batteries is only about 65%
> efficient, coal power plants are about 35% efficient and 1/3 of the power
> generated in America is simply lost by the leakage in the archaic above-
> ground electrical system of the 1930's.
>
> Everybody will pay to recharge that electric car for the greenie bastard
> down the street....just watch it happen!

It's called "supply and demand" ... they supply the electricity, they demand
more money for their own pockets, and we are (more or less) forced to supply
the money. :-(

On 12/4/2010 11:55 PM, Your Name wrote:
> "Fred"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] (Your Name) wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Of course, after years of doing next to nothing with their
>>> infrastructure the greedy electricity companies are now running around
>>> desparately trying to upgrade their equipment to cope with the
>>> (perceived) extra load needed to keep everyone's car charged. The same
>>> thing happened, and still is, with greedy telephone companies and
>>> mobile phone companies. :-\
>>
>> No they're not. Over on the Smart forum, one of the guys in
>> Californicate reports they just raised the electric rates for charging
>> the electric cars up to 55-75c/KwH. If electric cars become popular, all
>> of us will simply be paying 5 to 10 times as much for electricity as we
>> are now to pay for the increased electrical load, requiring more power
>> stations (coal because the greenies have pretty much trashed building
>> more nuclear stations), which simply moves the pollution to the power
>> plant much worse because charging Li-Ion batteries is only about 65%
>> efficient, coal power plants are about 35% efficient and 1/3 of the power
>> generated in America is simply lost by the leakage in the archaic above-
>> ground electrical system of the 1930's.
>>
>> Everybody will pay to recharge that electric car for the greenie bastard
>> down the street....just watch it happen!
>
> It's called "supply and demand" ... they supply the electricity, they demand
> more money for their own pockets, and we are (more or less) forced to supply
> the money. :-(
>

If you don't like it, supply your own electricity! If you care to
invest in photo-electric cells, you can get a kilowatt or three on a
sunny day! It's not going to run the air conditioner but it should be
enough for lights, radio/TV, a small computer or two. . . .

"Richard B. Gilbert" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> If you don't like it, supply your own electricity! If you care to
> invest in photo-electric cells, you can get a kilowatt or three on a
> sunny day! It's not going to run the air conditioner but it should be
> enough for lights, radio/TV, a small computer or two. . . .
>
>
>

The sad part is the average klod is too stupid to do the simple math and
thinks a 65 watt solar panel for $600 is gonna charge his Chevy volt in a
couple of hours, when it won't in a couple of weeks.

I tried to get some interested in the Chevy Volt forum, but it's so
saturated with fanboiz and company shills, anyone even discussing battery
charging realities and costs is summarily attacked like a rabbit by the
wolves in deep winter.

We have the same trouble on sailing yachts. Anyone can now buy a 4KW 12
or 24 volt inverter for a few hundred dollars, a real monster of a power
supply high powered transistors have made a reliable reality. But, again
the simple math, the yachties can't understand why a battery that weighs
as much as the boat has so little power stored in it it cannot run that
4KW inverter at 3KW for a week without cranking the diesel to recharge.
There they sit with dead batteries in the dark by 8PM....(c;]

I have a saying for it, "Nothing is funnier than a boater with a new 4KW
inverter heading down the dock with his electric heater in his hand."
That pretty much says it all and I've seen him headed for his boat for
real many times.

Electric cars are just not ready, yet, to replace the current technology.
It's a great idea, until you start staring at battery charging and
emminent battery replacement at $7-10K....from the greedy stealers.

On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 02:58:25 -0500
Wes Groleau <[email protected]> wrote:



> About a year ago, someone asked me if he could put a generator
> in a hybrid car to keep the battery charged, so that he would
> never need to buy gasoline. :-)
>
> No, he isn't stupid, he's just young. One little hint about
> conversion losses and he figured out that it wouldn't work.

Also, wouldn't he need to put gas (or diesel fuel) into the generator at some point?

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Steve Sobol <[email protected]>