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  1. #16
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    On 12/6/2010 10:49 PM, Oxford wrote:
    > Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
    > see why we are all involved with computing.
    >
    > Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
    >
    > http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63722844/
    >
    > oxford



    Did you clean yourself up after viewing?



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  2. #17
    Hadron
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    Steve Sobol <[email protected]> writes:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] says...
    >
    >> >> I think I'm gonna be sick......
    >> >
    >> > Why? Because Michael Dell and Steve Ballmar aren't as smart as Thomas
    >> > Edison?
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >> Jobs is the salesman. WOZ was the brains behind Apple.....

    >
    > *ding* *ding*
    >
    > Woz was the guy with the vision.
    >
    > Woz was the nerd.
    >
    > Woz was the guy I respect, much more so than Jobs.


    Jobs was no idiot. There's no point in being nerdy and smelly if someone
    cant see the potential and guide into making something less nerdy and
    smelly. The Apple showed real innovation. And Jobs provided that. Woz
    listened and allowed himself to be guided. It's called a team. And the
    fact Jobs managed to manage that says a lot about his character and
    ability.

    There are a millions guys who can construct an awk regexp thats 10 lines
    long. There are few who not only understand what it does but can also
    simplify it and put a one button front end on it so everyone can use it.



  3. #18
    Howard Brazee
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:13:55 -0500, Flint <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >The ironic thing is Republicans often cite Jobs and Apple as a great
    >American success story. The truth is the way Apple has been run under
    >Jobs, and Apple products are more of the myopic vision of *one* man,
    >but designed by committee, Apple (to me) is more of an example of a
    >socialist state.


    If they accept that Jobs is responsible for Apple's success, then they
    should look to the argument that people such as Scully were way
    overpaid. And our corporations are mainly run by people like
    Scully.

    --
    "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
    than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
    to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

    - James Madison



  4. #19
    chrisv
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    Steve Sobol wrote:

    >[email protected] says...
    >>
    >> Jobs is the salesman. WOZ was the brains behind Apple.....

    >
    >*ding* *ding*
    >
    >Woz was the guy with the vision.


    Oh really? Do you know how many very smart technical people there are
    in the world? How many of them attain Wozniak's level of financial
    success? You think maybe Jobs had something to do with that?




  5. #20
    chrisv
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    Flint wrote:

    >The ironic thing is Republicans often cite Jobs and Apple as a great
    >American success story. The truth is the way Apple has been run under
    >Jobs, and Apple products are more of the myopic vision of *one* man,
    >but designed by committee, Apple (to me) is more of an example of a
    >socialist state.


    What a stupid POV.




  6. #21
    George Kerby
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!




    On 12/6/10 9:52 PM, in article [email protected],
    "Fred" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:apony-7C52E6.20492506122010@n003-
    > 000-000-000.static.ge.com:
    >
    >> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
    >> see why we are all involved with computing.
    >>
    >> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
    >>
    >> http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63722844/
    >>
    >> oxford
    >>

    >
    > I think I'm gonna be sick......


    That's nothing new.




  7. #22
    George Kerby
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!




    On 12/6/10 10:20 PM, in article [email protected],
    "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, agent1
    > @section31.org says...
    >
    >
    >> But then, Steve Ballmer irks me to end at times too... I'm really
    >> sick of the techno-priesthood and their cultic followers.

    >
    > Ballmer is Jobs to Bill Gates's Woz. Although, technically, Gates wasn't
    > a techie either.
    >
    > Bill Gates, like Woz, was the guy with enough vision and talent to put
    > his company into the history books.
    >
    > Ballmer impresses me about as much as Jobs does, which is to say, not
    > much at all.
    >


    The dancing monkey?

    <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1274983729713522403#>




  8. #23
    SMS
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    On 12/6/2010 8:13 PM, Flint wrote:

    > The ironic thing is Republicans often cite Jobs and Apple as a great
    > American success story. The truth is the way Apple has been run under
    > Jobs, and Apple products are more of the myopic vision of *one* man, but
    > designed by committee, Apple (to me) is more of an example of a
    > socialist state.


    Many companies have been built around the vision of one or two
    individuals, and they aren't run like a democracy.

    It _was_ Jobs that early on realized that there was a market for
    computers for non-hobbyists that didn't want to solder together their
    own motherboard but simply wanted to buy a pre-made system. It was Jobs
    that realized that a GUI on a PC would be something that the masses
    would want. It was Jobs that realized that to make flash based music
    players successful that there had to be an easy way to distribute music,
    legally, and he browbeat the record labels into allowing individual
    tracks to be sold at a relatively low price, and he also realized that
    compressing the music and the resultant loss of quality was not
    something most listeners would care about or even notice (especially
    when playing the music through earbuds!).

    Jobs looked at the legacy of tablet failures (including Apple's Newton)
    and realized that a successful tablet was not going to be able to run a
    PC operating system and associated applications and still be acceptable
    in terms of size, weight, and battery life.

    High level design, marketing and selling a product is more difficult
    these days than the actual low level design and manufacturing which can
    all be easily contracted out.



  9. #24
    Lars
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:08:51 -0700, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Fred <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> I think I'm gonna be sick......

    >
    >no, there is nothing about Steve Ballmer, so you'll be more healthy once
    >you watch it. This just shows how Steve Jobs created the industry we all
    >live and work in... great stuff!


    Total Bull****. Jobs has ridden on the back of other people's ideas
    ever since he stole the GUI/Window concept from Xerox. Edison actually
    invented something new. Actually, he invented several things out of
    thin air. He personally held over 1,500 patents.

    But the real brains behind the modern electric grid was Tesla, not
    Edison. The only reason that Edison is remembered, and Tesla is not,
    is that the latter was eccentric to a fault. Edison, like Jobs, was a
    salesman.



  10. #25
    nospam
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    In article <[email protected]>, Tommy the
    Troll wrote:

    > Total Bull****. Jobs has ridden on the back of other people's ideas
    > ever since he stole the GUI/Window concept from Xerox.


    wrong. apple *paid* xerox.



  11. #26
    JEDIDIAH
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    On 2010-12-07, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
    > see why we are all involved with computing.
    >
    > Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...


    You mean he lies, cheats, and steals. He breaks promises to his most
    promising young engineers and then mounts a FUD campaign against them that
    includes electrocuting puppies?

    [deletia]

    I had saved that distinction for Bill Gates but we can pass that mantle
    onto Stevie boy if you really insist.

    --
    Metallica is not worth the ruination of someone |||
    who has pirated their music / | \



  12. #27
    Hadron
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    JEDIDIAH <[email protected]> writes:

    > On 2010-12-07, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
    >> see why we are all involved with computing.
    >>
    >> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...

    >
    > You mean he lies, cheats, and steals. He breaks promises to his most
    > promising young engineers and then mounts a FUD campaign against them that
    > includes electrocuting puppies?
    >
    > [deletia]
    >
    > I had saved that distinction for Bill Gates but we can pass that mantle
    > onto Stevie boy if you really insist.


    Nurse Ratchet! More meds to the secure wing please for Crazy Jed ....




  13. #28
    Howard Brazee
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:17:48 -0800, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >> Jobs is the salesman. WOZ was the brains behind Apple.....

    >
    >*ding* *ding*
    >
    >Woz was the guy with the vision.
    >
    >Woz was the nerd.
    >
    >Woz was the guy I respect, much more so than Jobs.


    Woz was the guy who became a success and then was able to retire and
    have loads of fun afterwards. Not very many people who do that.

    --
    "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
    than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
    to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

    - James Madison



  14. #29
    Howard Brazee
    Guest

    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:13:55 -0500, Flint <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >The ironic thing is Republicans often cite Jobs and Apple as a great
    >American success story. The truth is the way Apple has been run under
    >Jobs, and Apple products are more of the myopic vision of *one* man,
    >but designed by committee, Apple (to me) is more of an example of a
    >socialist state.


    But for every Jobs how many Scullys are there getting Republican love?
    (And buying Democratic love as well)

    --
    "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
    than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
    to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

    - James Madison



  15. #30
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    >
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Although, technically, Gates wasn't
    > > a techie either.

    >
    > Yes he was. Still is.


    Not anywhere to the extent that Woz is. Gates was a businessman first.
    He dropped out of Harvard Business School, not Stanford or MIT...

    I would label him "tech-savvy", and he was (is?) definitely a tinkerer.
    But he wasn't, and isn't, an engineer.

    --
    Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
    Apple Valley, CA
    [email protected]



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