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  1. #1
    Oxford
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    Glad to hear of the Verizon/iPhone announcement today and the official
    end of the horrible Android devices.

    Google had a tight window to succeed, but now everyone will flock to the
    iPhone on Verizon so the Android died today.

    Everyone hated Android phones, way too disjointed, (it was much like the
    failed Linux platform) so it's good they are now history.

    You can sign up for the vPhone here:

    http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/iphone.jsp

    The party starts February 10th!

    read more here:

    http://support.vzw.com/faqs/iphone/iphone_faq.html

    and it's well worth reading over the features of the iPhone, it's
    basically a tiny "mac", so you can leave home or office and still be
    fully connected, easily the best smartphone ever devised.

    http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/

    enjoy!

    oxford



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  2. #2
    Flint
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    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    On 1/11/2011 4:09 PM, Oxford wrote:
    > Glad to hear of the Verizon/iPhone announcement today and the official
    > end of the horrible Android devices.


    <snip>

    > enjoy!
    >
    > oxford


    I still haven't decided yet myself, although I have to admit I am
    strongly considering it now that Verizon offers the iPhone. I'm well
    past my current Verizon contract and am due for an upgrade, and I was
    originally holding off at least until CES this year, but now the
    Verizon iPhone just complicated my decision process (or, perhaps
    simplified it?).

    The real question (for me) is do I really want to go with a
    smartphone, or Skype(WiFi only) on an Android tablet, or an iPad...


    --
    -MFB



  3. #3
    SMS
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    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    On 1/11/2011 1:33 PM, Flint wrote:

    > The real question (for me) is do I really want to go with a smartphone,
    > or Skype(WiFi only) on an Android tablet, or an iPad...


    Wait and see what the pricing is for the Verizon iPhone plans. Are they
    going to price service the same as Android devices ($30 for unlimited
    data, $15 for 150MB (on top of a minimum $40 a month voice plan)) or are
    they going to try to charge more.

    Android devices have some advantages over the iPhone and vice-versa.
    Personally I use my Droid for the calendar, contact info, and occasional
    web use. I use wi-fi when available, and use very little 3G data, so a
    $30 a month plan with 1200 minutes/1200 messages/50MB of data on the
    Verizon network is sufficient for my needs, and I'm not going to spend
    $80 a month for an unlimited data smart phone.



  4. #4
    -hh
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    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    On Jan 11, 6:18*pm, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On 1/11/2011 1:33 PM, Flint wrote:
    >
    > > The real question (for me) is do I really want to go with a smartphone,
    > > or Skype(WiFi only) on an Android tablet, or an iPad...

    >
    > Wait and see what the pricing is for the Verizon iPhone plans. Are they
    > going to price service the same as Android devices ($30 for unlimited
    > data, $15 for 150MB (on top of a minimum $40 a month voice plan)) or are
    > they going to try to charge more.


    And also wait to see what AT&T counter-offers with.


    > Android devices have some advantages over the iPhone and vice-versa.


    Of course. But on Androids, I was told (verbally...I haven't looked
    to confirm this one yet) that VZW mentioned something about how
    they're going to accept returns on "Christmas gift" Androids as trade-
    in /upgrades for VZW iPhones.


    -hh




  5. #5
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    >
    > Glad to hear of the Verizon/iPhone announcement today and the official
    > end of the horrible Android devices.


    My god, you're an idiot.

    First, Android is a very capable OS. I love my new Android phone (T-
    Mobile HTC MyTouch 4G).

    There are a couple things it lacks; Steven Scharf mentioned the lack of
    a VPN client, and I agree that that is a problem for enterprise
    customers, and it's probably Android's biggest drawback. On the other
    hand:

    http://www.ncp-e.com/en.html

    these guys are supposedly working on an Android VPN client. Their
    existing VPN client works with Cisco, Sonicwall and other enterprise-
    level VPN products.

    Second, no one is going to stop buying Android phones.





    --
    Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
    Apple Valley, CA
    [email protected]



  6. #6
    Flint
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    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    On 1/11/2011 7:37 PM, Steve Sobol wrote:

    > There are a couple things it lacks; Steven Scharf mentioned the lack of
    > a VPN client, and I agree that that is a problem for enterprise
    > customers, and it's probably Android's biggest drawback. On the other
    > hand:
    >
    > http://www.ncp-e.com/en.html
    >
    > these guys are supposedly working on an Android VPN client. Their
    > existing VPN client works with Cisco, Sonicwall and other enterprise-
    > level VPN products.


    I heard rumor of the TightVNC folks possibly working on a VPN client.
    I haven't been able to confirm this, but it wouldn't surprise me
    since there is a TightVNC developmental fork for Android.


    --
    -MFB



  7. #7
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    On 1/11/2011 4:58 PM, Flint wrote:
    > On 1/11/2011 7:37 PM, Steve Sobol wrote:
    >
    >> There are a couple things it lacks; Steven Scharf mentioned the lack of
    >> a VPN client, and I agree that that is a problem for enterprise
    >> customers, and it's probably Android's biggest drawback. On the other
    >> hand:
    >>
    >> http://www.ncp-e.com/en.html
    >>
    >> these guys are supposedly working on an Android VPN client. Their
    >> existing VPN client works with Cisco, Sonicwall and other enterprise-
    >> level VPN products.

    >
    > I heard rumor of the TightVNC folks possibly working on a VPN client. I
    > haven't been able to confirm this, but it wouldn't surprise me since
    > there is a TightVNC developmental fork for Android.


    From what I've read about this, the problem is inherent to the Android
    OS, and not Cisco's fault. The IPSEC VPN clients that have appeared have
    required rooting the phone and adding some kernel features to the OS,
    something no enterprise is going to accept. Every IPSEC VPN solution so
    far is phone specific. Steve Jobs was right, the Android market is
    fragmented.

    As one person wrote about this issue: "I carry an iphone (with VPN) and
    an Incredible. The incredible is 100 times the device the 3GS is. But
    we're totally frustrated because no one seems to be hearing what we're say."




  8. #8
    Flint
    Guest

    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    On 1/11/2011 9:36 PM, SMS wrote:

    > From what I've read about this, the problem is inherent to the
    > Android OS, and not Cisco's fault. The IPSEC VPN clients that have
    > appeared have required rooting the phone and adding some kernel
    > features to the OS, something no enterprise is going to accept. Every
    > IPSEC VPN solution so far is phone specific. Steve Jobs was right, the
    > Android market is fragmented.
    >
    > As one person wrote about this issue: "I carry an iphone (with VPN)
    > and an Incredible. The incredible is 100 times the device the 3GS is.
    > But we're totally frustrated because no one seems to be hearing what
    > we're say."


    I believe I read the same user comment.

    That aside, if rooting the client is what it takes to get it to work,
    this should be easily done via sandboxing the client. Normally, this
    wouldn't be a big deal on a desktop linux distro, but on an Android
    phone's resources???? I dunno.


    --
    -MFB



  9. #9
    Flint
    Guest

    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    On 1/11/2011 7:23 PM, -hh wrote:
    > On Jan 11, 6:18 pm, SMS<[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On 1/11/2011 1:33 PM, Flint wrote:
    >>
    >>> The real question (for me) is do I really want to go with a smartphone,
    >>> or Skype(WiFi only) on an Android tablet, or an iPad...

    >>
    >> Wait and see what the pricing is for the Verizon iPhone plans. Are they
    >> going to price service the same as Android devices ($30 for unlimited
    >> data, $15 for 150MB (on top of a minimum $40 a month voice plan)) or are
    >> they going to try to charge more.

    >
    > And also wait to see what AT&T counter-offers with.


    I thought the same thing - for all but 5 seconds. AT&T (along with
    Sprint and TMobile) coverage in my area is simply just not as good as
    Verizon. Verizon is a tad pricier, but it's superior coverage (in my
    terrain affected area) justifies it, IMO.

    --
    -MFB



  10. #10
    AD
    Guest

    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    On Jan 12, 2:37*am, Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] says...
    >
    >
    >
    > > Glad to hear of the Verizon/iPhone announcement today and the official
    > > end of the horrible Android devices.

    >
    > My god, you're an idiot.
    >
    > First, Android is a very capable OS. I love my new Android phone (T-
    > Mobile HTC MyTouch 4G).
    >
    > There are a couple things it lacks; Steven Scharf mentioned the lack of
    > a VPN client, and I agree that that is a problem for enterprise
    > customers, and it's probably Android's biggest drawback. On the other
    > hand:
    >
    > http://www.ncp-e.com/en.html
    >
    > these guys are supposedly working on an Android VPN client. Their
    > existing VPN client works with Cisco, Sonicwall and other enterprise-
    > level VPN products.
    >
    > Second, no one is going to stop buying Android phones.
    >

    And that's good: in the US customers would typically have full two
    years
    to learn what a piece of crap it is. Once dissent have reached an
    avalanche
    like proportions they would run screaming for Apple.

    It's a question of the goodwill depreciation over extended period of
    time.
    Current android sales are future sales opportunities for Apple.

    If you ever tried to concoct something resembling an image picker on
    android
    you'd surely know :-)



  11. #11
    Lusotec
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    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    Steve Sobol wrote:
    > There are a couple things it lacks; Steven Scharf mentioned the lack of
    > a VPN client, and I agree that that is a problem for enterprise
    > customers, and it's probably Android's biggest drawback. On the other
    > hand:
    >
    > http://www.ncp-e.com/en.html
    >
    > these guys are supposedly working on an Android VPN client. Their
    > existing VPN client works with Cisco, Sonicwall and other enterprise-
    > level VPN products.


    Why not use SSH for Android to create/join a VPN?

    SSH VPN/proxy/tunneling has the advantage of being very network friendly,
    using a normal IP/TCP connection, and easy to setup.

    Regards.




  12. #12
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    On 1/11/2011 9:11 PM, Flint wrote:
    > On 1/11/2011 7:23 PM, -hh wrote:
    >> On Jan 11, 6:18 pm, SMS<[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> On 1/11/2011 1:33 PM, Flint wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> The real question (for me) is do I really want to go with a smartphone,
    >>>> or Skype(WiFi only) on an Android tablet, or an iPad...
    >>>
    >>> Wait and see what the pricing is for the Verizon iPhone plans. Are they
    >>> going to price service the same as Android devices ($30 for unlimited
    >>> data, $15 for 150MB (on top of a minimum $40 a month voice plan)) or are
    >>> they going to try to charge more.

    >>
    >> And also wait to see what AT&T counter-offers with.

    >
    > I thought the same thing - for all but 5 seconds. AT&T (along with
    > Sprint and TMobile) coverage in my area is simply just not as good as
    > Verizon. Verizon is a tad pricier, but it's superior coverage (in my
    > terrain affected area) justifies it, IMO.


    No, I meant wait to see what Verizon's iPhone versus Verizon's Android
    pricing is. No one in my area would choose AT&T to save a few bucks,
    they chose it because they could get an iPhone.




  13. #13
    -hh
    Guest

    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On 1/11/2011 9:11 PM, Flint wrote:
    > > On 1/11/2011 7:23 PM, -hh wrote:
    > >>
    > >> And also wait to see what AT&T counter-offers with.

    >
    > > I thought the same thing - for all but 5 seconds. AT&T (along with
    > > Sprint and TMobile) coverage in my area is simply just not as good as
    > > Verizon. Verizon is a tad pricier, but it's superior coverage (in my
    > > terrain affected area) justifies it, IMO.


    Not to dismiss it, but adequacy of coverage is a regional issue. I'm
    using my AT&T phone more than my VZW one, and haven't been
    particularly concerned about dropped calls / etc. This isn't to say
    that I don't get dropped calls ... I do ... but that's more due to all
    the carriers having a weak spot in conjunction with RF shielding from
    a metal roof, etc, which happens on all the networks.

    Similarly, GSM works in more regions outside the USA than CDMA, so if
    one's needs include international travel, VZW isn't really a good
    option. From this perspective of infrastructure, there's cellular
    coverage inside the underground stations on the Paris Metro... whereas
    the Washington DC Metro has only very recently ended its monopoly with
    VZW...a monopoly which should never have been allowed in the first
    place.


    > No, I meant wait to see what Verizon's iPhone versus Verizon's Android
    > pricing is. No one in my area would choose AT&T to save a few bucks,
    > they chose it because they could get an iPhone.


    This is an interesting point too, since VZW coudn't have not known
    that the iPhone was coming and thus, would have had all of their
    website "Rates" pages ready for instant release yesterday ... but they
    did not.

    As such, the inference is that there's some "News" that VZW did not
    want to be released as the same day of the iPhone announcement --- and
    higher rates would be a prime example of something to suppress for the
    moment. Of course, the potential for utter hypocrisy of this is that
    for a data-constrained service plan, there's no justification for
    discriminating based on the hardware too.


    -hh



  14. #14
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    On 1/12/2011 6:36 AM, -hh wrote:

    > As such, the inference is that there's some "News" that VZW did not
    > want to be released as the same day of the iPhone announcement --- and
    > higher rates would be a prime example of something to suppress for the
    > moment. Of course, the potential for utter hypocrisy of this is that
    > for a data-constrained service plan, there's no justification for
    > discriminating based on the hardware too.


    But the whole issue was that Verizon was not going to eliminate
    unlimited data like AT&T did, but unlimited data prices would go up for
    _all_ hardware activated on new plans. Already Android users were using
    more data per month than iPhone users.

    If I had to predict anything it'd be that all new Verizon smart phone
    activations with unlimited data will have higher rates, but that there
    will be two tiers of limited data, i.e. 150MB (which they offer now),
    and something between 2GB and 5GB. Of course most people would probably
    choose the lower cost plans because their data usage doesn't require the
    unlimited plan. A lot of data usage on 3G these days is _because_ it's
    unlimited--even when Wi-Fi is available no one bothers with it because
    there's no economic incentive to use it, and it's not secure at public
    Wi-Fi spots (unless you have VPN service, which you can't have on
    Android yet).



  15. #15
    -hh
    Guest

    Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!

    On Jan 12, 11:21*am, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On 1/12/2011 6:36 AM, -hh wrote:
    >
    > > As such, the inference is that there's some "News" that VZW did not
    > > want to be released as the same day of the iPhone announcement --- and
    > > higher rates would be a prime example of something to suppress for the
    > > moment. * Of course, the potential for utter hypocrisy of this is that
    > > for a data-constrained service plan, there's no justification for
    > > discriminating based on the hardware too.

    >
    > But the whole issue was that Verizon was not going to eliminate
    > unlimited data like AT&T did, but unlimited data prices would go up for
    > _all_ hardware activated on new plans. Already Android users were using
    > more data per month than iPhone users.
    >
    > If I had to predict anything it'd be that all new Verizon smart phone
    > activations with unlimited data will have higher rates...


    This is my expectation too: instead of cutting the monthly costs, the
    carriers will tend to increase the (real or perceived) "size" of the
    bundled services so as to keep the monthly cost high.

    > ..., but that there
    > will be two tiers of limited data, i.e. 150MB (which they offer now),
    > and something between 2GB and 5GB. Of course most people would probably
    > choose the lower cost plans because their data usage doesn't require the
    > unlimited plan. A lot of data usage on 3G these days is _because_ it's
    > unlimited--even when Wi-Fi is available no one bothers with it because
    > there's no economic incentive to use it, and it's not secure at public
    > Wi-Fi spots (unless you have VPN service, which you can't have on
    > Android yet).


    A good point, particularly in conjunction with how these sorts of
    devices are set up in terms of what I'll call is their "ease-of-
    changeover" from celluar to WiFi. Simply put, if it isn't easy (let
    alone actively encouraged by providers) for the consumer, the expected
    behavior is to be lazy... particularly when (as you point out) there's
    no meaningful carrot or stick to guide behavior to make there be a
    reason for the consumer to make any effort to do it.


    -hh



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