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- 01-11-2011, 03:09 PM #1OxfordGuest
Glad to hear of the Verizon/iPhone announcement today and the official
end of the horrible Android devices.
Google had a tight window to succeed, but now everyone will flock to the
iPhone on Verizon so the Android died today.
Everyone hated Android phones, way too disjointed, (it was much like the
failed Linux platform) so it's good they are now history.
You can sign up for the vPhone here:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/iphone.jsp
The party starts February 10th!
read more here:
http://support.vzw.com/faqs/iphone/iphone_faq.html
and it's well worth reading over the features of the iPhone, it's
basically a tiny "mac", so you can leave home or office and still be
fully connected, easily the best smartphone ever devised.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/
enjoy!
oxford
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- 01-11-2011, 03:33 PM #2FlintGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
On 1/11/2011 4:09 PM, Oxford wrote:
> Glad to hear of the Verizon/iPhone announcement today and the official
> end of the horrible Android devices.
<snip>
> enjoy!
>
> oxford
I still haven't decided yet myself, although I have to admit I am
strongly considering it now that Verizon offers the iPhone. I'm well
past my current Verizon contract and am due for an upgrade, and I was
originally holding off at least until CES this year, but now the
Verizon iPhone just complicated my decision process (or, perhaps
simplified it?).
The real question (for me) is do I really want to go with a
smartphone, or Skype(WiFi only) on an Android tablet, or an iPad...
--
-MFB
- 01-11-2011, 05:18 PM #3SMSGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
On 1/11/2011 1:33 PM, Flint wrote:
> The real question (for me) is do I really want to go with a smartphone,
> or Skype(WiFi only) on an Android tablet, or an iPad...
Wait and see what the pricing is for the Verizon iPhone plans. Are they
going to price service the same as Android devices ($30 for unlimited
data, $15 for 150MB (on top of a minimum $40 a month voice plan)) or are
they going to try to charge more.
Android devices have some advantages over the iPhone and vice-versa.
Personally I use my Droid for the calendar, contact info, and occasional
web use. I use wi-fi when available, and use very little 3G data, so a
$30 a month plan with 1200 minutes/1200 messages/50MB of data on the
Verizon network is sufficient for my needs, and I'm not going to spend
$80 a month for an unlimited data smart phone.
- 01-11-2011, 06:23 PM #4-hhGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
On Jan 11, 6:18*pm, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/11/2011 1:33 PM, Flint wrote:
>
> > The real question (for me) is do I really want to go with a smartphone,
> > or Skype(WiFi only) on an Android tablet, or an iPad...
>
> Wait and see what the pricing is for the Verizon iPhone plans. Are they
> going to price service the same as Android devices ($30 for unlimited
> data, $15 for 150MB (on top of a minimum $40 a month voice plan)) or are
> they going to try to charge more.
And also wait to see what AT&T counter-offers with.
> Android devices have some advantages over the iPhone and vice-versa.
Of course. But on Androids, I was told (verbally...I haven't looked
to confirm this one yet) that VZW mentioned something about how
they're going to accept returns on "Christmas gift" Androids as trade-
in /upgrades for VZW iPhones.
-hh
- 01-11-2011, 06:37 PM #5Steve SobolGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> Glad to hear of the Verizon/iPhone announcement today and the official
> end of the horrible Android devices.
My god, you're an idiot.
First, Android is a very capable OS. I love my new Android phone (T-
Mobile HTC MyTouch 4G).
There are a couple things it lacks; Steven Scharf mentioned the lack of
a VPN client, and I agree that that is a problem for enterprise
customers, and it's probably Android's biggest drawback. On the other
hand:
http://www.ncp-e.com/en.html
these guys are supposedly working on an Android VPN client. Their
existing VPN client works with Cisco, Sonicwall and other enterprise-
level VPN products.
Second, no one is going to stop buying Android phones.
--
Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
Apple Valley, CA
[email protected]
- 01-11-2011, 06:58 PM #6FlintGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
On 1/11/2011 7:37 PM, Steve Sobol wrote:
> There are a couple things it lacks; Steven Scharf mentioned the lack of
> a VPN client, and I agree that that is a problem for enterprise
> customers, and it's probably Android's biggest drawback. On the other
> hand:
>
> http://www.ncp-e.com/en.html
>
> these guys are supposedly working on an Android VPN client. Their
> existing VPN client works with Cisco, Sonicwall and other enterprise-
> level VPN products.
I heard rumor of the TightVNC folks possibly working on a VPN client.
I haven't been able to confirm this, but it wouldn't surprise me
since there is a TightVNC developmental fork for Android.
--
-MFB
- 01-11-2011, 08:36 PM #7SMSGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
On 1/11/2011 4:58 PM, Flint wrote:
> On 1/11/2011 7:37 PM, Steve Sobol wrote:
>
>> There are a couple things it lacks; Steven Scharf mentioned the lack of
>> a VPN client, and I agree that that is a problem for enterprise
>> customers, and it's probably Android's biggest drawback. On the other
>> hand:
>>
>> http://www.ncp-e.com/en.html
>>
>> these guys are supposedly working on an Android VPN client. Their
>> existing VPN client works with Cisco, Sonicwall and other enterprise-
>> level VPN products.
>
> I heard rumor of the TightVNC folks possibly working on a VPN client. I
> haven't been able to confirm this, but it wouldn't surprise me since
> there is a TightVNC developmental fork for Android.
From what I've read about this, the problem is inherent to the Android
OS, and not Cisco's fault. The IPSEC VPN clients that have appeared have
required rooting the phone and adding some kernel features to the OS,
something no enterprise is going to accept. Every IPSEC VPN solution so
far is phone specific. Steve Jobs was right, the Android market is
fragmented.
As one person wrote about this issue: "I carry an iphone (with VPN) and
an Incredible. The incredible is 100 times the device the 3GS is. But
we're totally frustrated because no one seems to be hearing what we're say."
- 01-11-2011, 11:05 PM #8FlintGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
On 1/11/2011 9:36 PM, SMS wrote:
> From what I've read about this, the problem is inherent to the
> Android OS, and not Cisco's fault. The IPSEC VPN clients that have
> appeared have required rooting the phone and adding some kernel
> features to the OS, something no enterprise is going to accept. Every
> IPSEC VPN solution so far is phone specific. Steve Jobs was right, the
> Android market is fragmented.
>
> As one person wrote about this issue: "I carry an iphone (with VPN)
> and an Incredible. The incredible is 100 times the device the 3GS is.
> But we're totally frustrated because no one seems to be hearing what
> we're say."
I believe I read the same user comment.
That aside, if rooting the client is what it takes to get it to work,
this should be easily done via sandboxing the client. Normally, this
wouldn't be a big deal on a desktop linux distro, but on an Android
phone's resources???? I dunno.
--
-MFB
- 01-11-2011, 11:11 PM #9FlintGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
On 1/11/2011 7:23 PM, -hh wrote:
> On Jan 11, 6:18 pm, SMS<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 1/11/2011 1:33 PM, Flint wrote:
>>
>>> The real question (for me) is do I really want to go with a smartphone,
>>> or Skype(WiFi only) on an Android tablet, or an iPad...
>>
>> Wait and see what the pricing is for the Verizon iPhone plans. Are they
>> going to price service the same as Android devices ($30 for unlimited
>> data, $15 for 150MB (on top of a minimum $40 a month voice plan)) or are
>> they going to try to charge more.
>
> And also wait to see what AT&T counter-offers with.
I thought the same thing - for all but 5 seconds. AT&T (along with
Sprint and TMobile) coverage in my area is simply just not as good as
Verizon. Verizon is a tad pricier, but it's superior coverage (in my
terrain affected area) justifies it, IMO.
--
-MFB
- 01-12-2011, 05:44 AM #10ADGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
On Jan 12, 2:37*am, Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>
>
> > Glad to hear of the Verizon/iPhone announcement today and the official
> > end of the horrible Android devices.
>
> My god, you're an idiot.
>
> First, Android is a very capable OS. I love my new Android phone (T-
> Mobile HTC MyTouch 4G).
>
> There are a couple things it lacks; Steven Scharf mentioned the lack of
> a VPN client, and I agree that that is a problem for enterprise
> customers, and it's probably Android's biggest drawback. On the other
> hand:
>
> http://www.ncp-e.com/en.html
>
> these guys are supposedly working on an Android VPN client. Their
> existing VPN client works with Cisco, Sonicwall and other enterprise-
> level VPN products.
>
> Second, no one is going to stop buying Android phones.
>
And that's good: in the US customers would typically have full two
years
to learn what a piece of crap it is. Once dissent have reached an
avalanche
like proportions they would run screaming for Apple.
It's a question of the goodwill depreciation over extended period of
time.
Current android sales are future sales opportunities for Apple.
If you ever tried to concoct something resembling an image picker on
android
you'd surely know :-)
- 01-12-2011, 06:07 AM #11LusotecGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
Steve Sobol wrote:
> There are a couple things it lacks; Steven Scharf mentioned the lack of
> a VPN client, and I agree that that is a problem for enterprise
> customers, and it's probably Android's biggest drawback. On the other
> hand:
>
> http://www.ncp-e.com/en.html
>
> these guys are supposedly working on an Android VPN client. Their
> existing VPN client works with Cisco, Sonicwall and other enterprise-
> level VPN products.
Why not use SSH for Android to create/join a VPN?
SSH VPN/proxy/tunneling has the advantage of being very network friendly,
using a normal IP/TCP connection, and easy to setup.
Regards.
- 01-12-2011, 06:44 AM #12SMSGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
On 1/11/2011 9:11 PM, Flint wrote:
> On 1/11/2011 7:23 PM, -hh wrote:
>> On Jan 11, 6:18 pm, SMS<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 1/11/2011 1:33 PM, Flint wrote:
>>>
>>>> The real question (for me) is do I really want to go with a smartphone,
>>>> or Skype(WiFi only) on an Android tablet, or an iPad...
>>>
>>> Wait and see what the pricing is for the Verizon iPhone plans. Are they
>>> going to price service the same as Android devices ($30 for unlimited
>>> data, $15 for 150MB (on top of a minimum $40 a month voice plan)) or are
>>> they going to try to charge more.
>>
>> And also wait to see what AT&T counter-offers with.
>
> I thought the same thing - for all but 5 seconds. AT&T (along with
> Sprint and TMobile) coverage in my area is simply just not as good as
> Verizon. Verizon is a tad pricier, but it's superior coverage (in my
> terrain affected area) justifies it, IMO.
No, I meant wait to see what Verizon's iPhone versus Verizon's Android
pricing is. No one in my area would choose AT&T to save a few bucks,
they chose it because they could get an iPhone.
- 01-12-2011, 08:36 AM #13-hhGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/11/2011 9:11 PM, Flint wrote:
> > On 1/11/2011 7:23 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>
> >> And also wait to see what AT&T counter-offers with.
>
> > I thought the same thing - for all but 5 seconds. AT&T (along with
> > Sprint and TMobile) coverage in my area is simply just not as good as
> > Verizon. Verizon is a tad pricier, but it's superior coverage (in my
> > terrain affected area) justifies it, IMO.
Not to dismiss it, but adequacy of coverage is a regional issue. I'm
using my AT&T phone more than my VZW one, and haven't been
particularly concerned about dropped calls / etc. This isn't to say
that I don't get dropped calls ... I do ... but that's more due to all
the carriers having a weak spot in conjunction with RF shielding from
a metal roof, etc, which happens on all the networks.
Similarly, GSM works in more regions outside the USA than CDMA, so if
one's needs include international travel, VZW isn't really a good
option. From this perspective of infrastructure, there's cellular
coverage inside the underground stations on the Paris Metro... whereas
the Washington DC Metro has only very recently ended its monopoly with
VZW...a monopoly which should never have been allowed in the first
place.
> No, I meant wait to see what Verizon's iPhone versus Verizon's Android
> pricing is. No one in my area would choose AT&T to save a few bucks,
> they chose it because they could get an iPhone.
This is an interesting point too, since VZW coudn't have not known
that the iPhone was coming and thus, would have had all of their
website "Rates" pages ready for instant release yesterday ... but they
did not.
As such, the inference is that there's some "News" that VZW did not
want to be released as the same day of the iPhone announcement --- and
higher rates would be a prime example of something to suppress for the
moment. Of course, the potential for utter hypocrisy of this is that
for a data-constrained service plan, there's no justification for
discriminating based on the hardware too.
-hh
- 01-12-2011, 10:21 AM #14SMSGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
On 1/12/2011 6:36 AM, -hh wrote:
> As such, the inference is that there's some "News" that VZW did not
> want to be released as the same day of the iPhone announcement --- and
> higher rates would be a prime example of something to suppress for the
> moment. Of course, the potential for utter hypocrisy of this is that
> for a data-constrained service plan, there's no justification for
> discriminating based on the hardware too.
But the whole issue was that Verizon was not going to eliminate
unlimited data like AT&T did, but unlimited data prices would go up for
_all_ hardware activated on new plans. Already Android users were using
more data per month than iPhone users.
If I had to predict anything it'd be that all new Verizon smart phone
activations with unlimited data will have higher rates, but that there
will be two tiers of limited data, i.e. 150MB (which they offer now),
and something between 2GB and 5GB. Of course most people would probably
choose the lower cost plans because their data usage doesn't require the
unlimited plan. A lot of data usage on 3G these days is _because_ it's
unlimited--even when Wi-Fi is available no one bothers with it because
there's no economic incentive to use it, and it's not secure at public
Wi-Fi spots (unless you have VPN service, which you can't have on
Android yet).
- 01-12-2011, 10:49 AM #15-hhGuest
Re: Today, Apple allows Verizon to sell the iPhone!
On Jan 12, 11:21*am, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/12/2011 6:36 AM, -hh wrote:
>
> > As such, the inference is that there's some "News" that VZW did not
> > want to be released as the same day of the iPhone announcement --- and
> > higher rates would be a prime example of something to suppress for the
> > moment. * Of course, the potential for utter hypocrisy of this is that
> > for a data-constrained service plan, there's no justification for
> > discriminating based on the hardware too.
>
> But the whole issue was that Verizon was not going to eliminate
> unlimited data like AT&T did, but unlimited data prices would go up for
> _all_ hardware activated on new plans. Already Android users were using
> more data per month than iPhone users.
>
> If I had to predict anything it'd be that all new Verizon smart phone
> activations with unlimited data will have higher rates...
This is my expectation too: instead of cutting the monthly costs, the
carriers will tend to increase the (real or perceived) "size" of the
bundled services so as to keep the monthly cost high.
> ..., but that there
> will be two tiers of limited data, i.e. 150MB (which they offer now),
> and something between 2GB and 5GB. Of course most people would probably
> choose the lower cost plans because their data usage doesn't require the
> unlimited plan. A lot of data usage on 3G these days is _because_ it's
> unlimited--even when Wi-Fi is available no one bothers with it because
> there's no economic incentive to use it, and it's not secure at public
> Wi-Fi spots (unless you have VPN service, which you can't have on
> Android yet).
A good point, particularly in conjunction with how these sorts of
devices are set up in terms of what I'll call is their "ease-of-
changeover" from celluar to WiFi. Simply put, if it isn't easy (let
alone actively encouraged by providers) for the consumer, the expected
behavior is to be lazy... particularly when (as you point out) there's
no meaningful carrot or stick to guide behavior to make there be a
reason for the consumer to make any effort to do it.
-hh
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