news: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion

"Jason Cothran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> This statement alone shows your lack of education, how susceptible you are
> to influence from a single resource

Not a single source at all. Consumer Reports is simply one data point. It
happens to be a very good data point, simply because of the huge sample size
of their survey, and their excellent methodology.

> The only concession to be mnade is that someone who deems a product shoddy
> based on one periodical is very narrow minded. I see no reason to continue
a
> conversation with someone such as yourself. it is virtually impossible to
> have a discussion with someone with a Napoleon complex. I gave you the
facts
> about my area to which you have no material or experience with either
> carrier to dispute.

You are incorrect. I do have experience with carriers in that area. You need
to calm down. Wow, a Napoleon complex. That's creative writing!

> and you decide to resort to accusing me of being less
> educated or poorer simply because I am right.

I did not accuse you of any such thing. I simply stated the fact that
Consumer Reports subscribers (of which I am not one), tend to be more
affluent and higher educated. Do you understand that certain publications
attract certain types of readers? In advertising based publications you can
see the typical type of reader based on the ads.

> So long troll.

I see, you can't answer anything I say with facts or logic, so I'm a troll.
Very weak. Weaker than Navas's standard "Rubbish" response when he is unable
to dispute the facts.

I suggest that you obtain the following textbook:

"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0321087852/qid%3D1076701095/s
anfrancisc0b-20/"

which will help you learn to debate more effectively.

Also, be aware that the "Southeast" is a big area. Verizon was top ranked in
Atlanta and Orlando, but I'm sure that there are areas where it isn't great,
especially in some areas where it's relegated to PCS.

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"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:06:07 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >I have no proof, jusr speculation based upon what I have heard form them
in
| >the past. You are right it is just opinion.
|
| Then you should state that. Otherwise it is just slander. You
| haven't shown anything to indicate that they have been bought. No
| evidence at all. To state a lie like that sure doesn't show very
| favourably for you.
|

Umm I did state that. That is how you quoted it. It is not a lie by me. No
where did I say I have receipts, and you can't disprove it. I am sorry my
opinions bother you so much.

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:07:20 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>My position is quite tennable. Cingular is definately the best carrier in my
>area. I believe Consumer Reports (I guess that's the CU to whish you refer)
>get corporate subsidies. No biggie. If you don't think that, no hair off my
>chest.

Well, you're only lying if you continue to insist that CU (Consumer's
Reports) is taking corporate kickbacks. I notice you keep repeating
the lie, but don't have any way to back it up. And just because you
have the opinion that cingular is the best in your area doesn't speak
for everyone.
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:08:32 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Umm I did state that. That is how you quoted it. It is not a lie by me. No
>where did I say I have receipts, and you can't disprove it. I am sorry my
>opinions bother you so much.

But your opinion isn't borne by any facts. You probably think the
moon's made out of green cheese. I've never been there, but I'm
pretty certain that it isn't.

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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:45:44
-0800, Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:07:20 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>My position is quite tennable. Cingular is definately the best carrier in my
>>area. I believe Consumer Reports (I guess that's the CU to whish you refer)
>>get corporate subsidies. No biggie. If you don't think that, no hair off my
>>chest.
>
>Well, you're only lying if you continue to insist that CU (Consumer's
>Reports) is taking corporate kickbacks. I notice you keep repeating
>the lie, but don't have any way to back it up.

It would only be a "lie" if he knows it to be false, and I don't think that's
the case. For the record, I tend to doubt his claim, but I don't really know
either.

>And just because you
>have the opinion that cingular is the best in your area doesn't speak
>for everyone.

True. Just as yours that Cingular sucks doesn't speak for everyone. ;-)

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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:47:03
-0800, Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:08:32 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Umm I did state that. That is how you quoted it. It is not a lie by me. No
>>where did I say I have receipts, and you can't disprove it. I am sorry my
>>opinions bother you so much.
>
>But your opinion isn't borne by any facts. You probably think the
>moon's made out of green cheese.

Why would you think that?

>I've never been there, but I'm
>pretty certain that it isn't.

Based on ... ?

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"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:07:20 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >My position is quite tennable. Cingular is definately the best carrier in
my
| >area. I believe Consumer Reports (I guess that's the CU to whish you
refer)
| >get corporate subsidies. No biggie. If you don't think that, no hair off
my
| >chest.
|
| Well, you're only lying if you continue to insist that CU (Consumer's
| Reports) is taking corporate kickbacks. I notice you keep repeating
| the lie, but don't have any way to back it up. And just because you
| have the opinion that cingular is the best in your area doesn't speak
| for everyone.

Again, call it a lie if you wish, but I have stated several times it is just
speculation. I am sorry that that offends you. And my opinion of Cingular in
the Southeast comes from my experiences, and every single survey and review
I have ever read. I am sorry if that also bothers you.

"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:08:32 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >Umm I did state that. That is how you quoted it. It is not a lie by me.
No
| >where did I say I have receipts, and you can't disprove it. I am sorry my
| >opinions bother you so much.
|
| But your opinion isn't borne by any facts. You probably think the
| moon's made out of green cheese. I've never been there, but I'm
| pretty certain that it isn't.
|
That is why they are called opinions, because they aren't facts. They are
personal feelings that cannot be proved, nor disproved.

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> It would only be a "lie" if he knows it to be false, and I don't think that's
> the case. For the record, I tend to doubt his claim, but I don't really know
> either.

Consumer's Reports has sued people for such statements, and won.

This has to be a first. Navas saying he doesn't know something.

The rest of the world has zero reason to doubt Consumer Reports veracity.

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 03 Mar
2004 11:58:04 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It would only be a "lie" if he knows it to be false, and I don't think that's
>> the case. For the record, I tend to doubt his claim, but I don't really know
>> either.
>
>Consumer's Reports has sued people for such statements, and won.

Case citation?

>This has to be a first. Navas saying he doesn't know something.
>
>The rest of the world has zero reason to doubt Consumer Reports veracity.

Tell that to Suzuki:

"Supreme Court allows Suzuki to continue suit against Consumer Reports"
<http://www.post-gazette.com/FirstAme...04suzukip5.asp>

Suzuki attorneys said that Consumer Reports employees designed their
road tests to get the Samurai to tip and then used its reports to
make money in fund raising and subscription drives. ...

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In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Supreme Court allows Suzuki to continue suit against Consumer Reports"

Exsqueeze me, but not having a case thrown out is hardly the same as
winning a case. And the reason it's news is usually such cases DO GET
THROWN OUT, as Consumer Reports has such a sterling reputation.

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:02:10 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Again, call it a lie if you wish, but I have stated several times it is just
>speculation. I am sorry that that offends you. And my opinion of Cingular in
>the Southeast comes from my experiences, and every single survey and review
>I have ever read. I am sorry if that also bothers you.

Boo-hoo, it upsets me greatly. I am so sad that you wish to defame a
company, but I understand that's the way you work. Guilty until
proven innocent is of course the way to go.

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"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:02:10 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >Again, call it a lie if you wish, but I have stated several times it is
just
| >speculation. I am sorry that that offends you. And my opinion of Cingular
in
| >the Southeast comes from my experiences, and every single survey and
review
| >I have ever read. I am sorry if that also bothers you.
|
| Boo-hoo, it upsets me greatly. I am so sad that you wish to defame a
| company, but I understand that's the way you work. Guilty until
| proven innocent is of course the way to go.
|

Just my opinion, just as it is yours that Verizon is better in the
Southeast. To each their own. I am still sorry you don't believe people can
have opinions, but I understand it's just the way you work <wink>. It would
be defaming if I said I had proof or knew of execs that said it was so,
which I do not. I have repeatedly stated it as specilation. I am sorry you
can't accept the fact that people have the ability to form thier own
hypothesis.

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 03 Mar
2004 15:49:47 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Supreme Court allows Suzuki to continue suit against Consumer Reports"
>
>Exsqueeze me, but not having a case thrown out is hardly the same as
>winning a case. And the reason it's news is usually such cases DO GET
>THROWN OUT, as Consumer Reports has such a sterling reputation.

Reputation has nothing to do with it.

I note that you don't have a citation to back up your claim that, "Consumer's
Reports has sued people for such statements, and won."

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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|
| In <[email protected]> on Wed, 03
Mar
| 2004 15:49:47 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >In article <[email protected]>,
| > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
| >
| >> "Supreme Court allows Suzuki to continue suit against Consumer Reports"
| >
| >Exsqueeze me, but not having a case thrown out is hardly the same as
| >winning a case. And the reason it's news is usually such cases DO GET
| >THROWN OUT, as Consumer Reports has such a sterling reputation.
|
| Reputation has nothing to do with it.
|
| I note that you don't have a citation to back up your claim that,
"Consumer's
| Reports has sued people for such statements, and won."
|

I feel quite certain he won't find anything.
http://www.junkscience.com/consumer/consumer_about.htm
That website wouldn't exist if his claim were true.