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  1. #1
    Aaron Worley
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    Hey, does anyone know the real answer to the question: how much longer until
    Cingular is all GSM? I want one of those awesome smart phones, but I travel for
    a living and need great coverage (got Nokia 6340i now)- thanks, AW
    Aaron Worley



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  2. #2
    Jer
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    Re: How long til all GSM??

    Aaron Worley wrote:

    > Hey, does anyone know the real answer to the question: how much longer until
    > Cingular is all GSM? I want one of those awesome smart phones, but I travel for
    > a living and need great coverage (got Nokia 6340i now)- thanks, AW
    > Aaron Worley


    If you're a Cingular client, you already have the best phone for
    travelers - especially if you require AMPS service. OTOH, if your
    travels only include major metropolitan areas, then a GSM only phone
    may already be possible for you. What you need to start doing is
    looking at the display during calls, in the bottom right corner is a
    soft-key label - if it shows 'Hold' you're on a GSM network, if it's
    shows 'Mute' you're on a TDMA/AMPS network. After a while you'll
    begin to know if a GSM-only phone will suffice for your typical travel
    needs.

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  3. #3
    Mark W. Oots
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    Re: How long til all GSM??


    "Aaron Worley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Hey, does anyone know the real answer to the question: how much longer

    until
    > Cingular is all GSM? I want one of those awesome smart phones, but I

    travel for
    > a living and need great coverage (got Nokia 6340i now)- thanks, AW
    > Aaron Worley


    Cingular is already "nearly" all GSM. The problem is that Cingular doesn't
    own systems everywhere, and until the smaller carriers update to GSM, there
    will be holes.

    BTW, this winter some tests were done in Texas using software defined radios
    that may give the smaller carriers the kick they need to start converting.
    The new system uses "off the shelf" servers to control the common RF system.
    The potential is there to allow for CDMA, WCDMA, GSM, TDMA, AMPS, GPRS, 1x,
    EDGE...all in the same site, using common RF gear. Could be the future.

    Mark
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  4. #4
    Jud Hardcastle
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    Re: How long til all GSM??

    In article <[email protected]>, aworley11896
    @aol.comjnkbgone says...
    >
    > Hey, does anyone know the real answer to the question: how much longer until
    > Cingular is all GSM? I want one of those awesome smart phones, but I travel for
    > a living and need great coverage (got Nokia 6340i now)- thanks, AW
    > Aaron Worley
    >


    I'd plan on hanging onto that GAIT phone for some time. Someone on
    Howard Forums just published a link to a map showing Cingular and ATTWS
    GSM native licenses and I couldn't offhand spot any area not on the
    current GSM-only map. There are a few gaps the other way--areas on the
    GSM-only map where neither C or A have native coverage but are covered
    by TMobile and other GSM roaming partners.

    So the question should be: Does anyone know for sure if there are any
    Cingular native coverage areas that HAVEN'T finished their GSM
    conversion. I suspect they're done.

    If you're asking how long it will be before all roaming partners have
    converted and you won't need a GAIT phone to get the entire country
    including cities under 20k and rural areas -- don't hold your breath --
    I bet it will be a couple of years IF EVER.
    --
    Jud
    Dallas TX USA



  5. #5
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: How long til all GSM??

    [email protected]nkbgone (Aaron Worley) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Hey, does anyone know the real answer to the question: how much longer until
    > Cingular is all GSM? I want one of those awesome smart phones, but I travel for
    > a living and need great coverage (got Nokia 6340i now)- thanks, AW


    That might not be the issue- even when Cingular is all GSM, it's
    likely some of the smaller companies you are capable of roaming on now
    will not go GSM.

    The beauty of GSM is the ability to move SIMs between phones. If you
    only need TDMA/analog coverage when traveling, you could buy a
    smartphone for "everyday" use, and move the SIM to the 6340 when
    traveling.



  6. #6
    Aaron Worley
    Guest

    Re: How long til all GSM??

    > you could buy a
    >smartphone for "everyday" use, and move the SIM to the 6340 when
    >traveling.


    hey, now that sounds pretty interesting...thanks- AW

    Aaron Worley



  7. #7
    Jud Hardcastle
    Guest

    Re: How long til all GSM??

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    >
    > I'd plan on hanging onto that GAIT phone for some time. Someone on
    > Howard Forums just published a link to a map showing Cingular and ATTWS
    > GSM native licenses and I couldn't offhand spot any area not on the
    > current GSM-only map. There are a few gaps the other way--areas on the
    > GSM-only map where neither C or A have native coverage but are covered
    > by TMobile and other GSM roaming partners.


    Here's the link to that map:
    http://tinyurl.com/ytb4k

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    Jud
    Dallas TX USA



  8. #8
    XFF
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    Re: How long til all GSM??

    Jud Hardcastle <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > So the question should be: Does anyone know for sure if there are any
    > Cingular native coverage areas that HAVEN'T finished their GSM
    > conversion. I suspect they're done.


    All of MS/AL as well as the recently acquired US Unwired system in LA
    and the MD-2 system that was acquired from Dobson Cellular System are
    not yet GSM.



  9. #9
    Mark W. Oots
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    Re: How long til all GSM??


    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > [email protected]nkbgone (Aaron Worley) wrote in message

    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > Hey, does anyone know the real answer to the question: how much longer

    until
    > > Cingular is all GSM? I want one of those awesome smart phones, but I

    travel for
    > > a living and need great coverage (got Nokia 6340i now)- thanks, AW

    >
    > That might not be the issue- even when Cingular is all GSM, it's
    > likely some of the smaller companies you are capable of roaming on now
    > will not go GSM.
    >
    > The beauty of GSM is the ability to move SIMs between phones. If you
    > only need TDMA/analog coverage when traveling, you could buy a
    > smartphone for "everyday" use, and move the SIM to the 6340 when
    > traveling.


    For you to be able to use the SIM between GSM and GAIT phones, your service
    has to be "officially" on the GAIT phone, other wise the account will not
    have the ESN needed for TDMA service. In other words, you can take the SIM
    from a GAIT phone and use it in a GSM phone, but not the other way around.

    Mark


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  10. #10
    Wireless Guy
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    Wow guys, that is a very old map at this point. The GSM build out is going quite fast. Go to the Cingular website and Clcik on the GSM Nation Map. Even if it is a combined GSM coverage map . Cingular customers still dont pay for roaming and all your feature, Rollover, night & weekends, mobile 2 mobile still apply. If you are interested to see the Verizon owned and famous in network calling you might be a little supprise. Click on the link and which is under the Verizon push 2 talk site. Then go to National Enhanced network: This is Verizons ownd network without the roaming partners. http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/s...ion=pushToTalk
    The Cellphone Guy..



  11. #11
    Tim Neumann
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    Re: How long til all GSM??


    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > [email protected]nkbgone (Aaron Worley) wrote in message

    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > Hey, does anyone know the real answer to the question: how much longer

    until
    > > Cingular is all GSM? I want one of those awesome smart phones, but I

    travel for
    > > a living and need great coverage (got Nokia 6340i now)- thanks, AW

    >
    > That might not be the issue- even when Cingular is all GSM, it's
    > likely some of the smaller companies you are capable of roaming on now
    > will not go GSM.
    >
    > The beauty of GSM is the ability to move SIMs between phones. If you
    > only need TDMA/analog coverage when traveling, you could buy a
    > smartphone for "everyday" use, and move the SIM to the 6340 when
    > traveling.


    Not.

    The SIM only carries the GSM personality/authorization. In order for your
    phone to do TDMA/Amps, it's EIN must be registered with the network. Right
    now I have a loaner 6340i while mine is repaired. We moved the SIM to the
    loaner phone, and everything works fine as long as I stay in the GSM signal
    area. If I lose GSM for some reason and the phone falls back to TDMA,
    anyone who tries to call me is told I'm not on the network, and if I try to
    call out, I'm told that they don't recognize my phone as a valid number.

    You would have to keep your GAIT phone as your active phone for account
    purposes. I assume you can move your SIM to a GSM only phone without a
    problem. That way, your GAIT phone would have it's EIN registered for
    TDMA/Amps, and with the SIM back in it, it would once again be the premier
    travel phone it is.





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