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- 08-25-2004, 08:28 AM #31Jud HardcastleGuest
Re: How Long Until All GSM/No TDMA?
In article <[email protected]>, spamfilter0
@navasgroup.com says...
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>
> In <[email protected]> on Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:48:49 -0400,
> "chuckk" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >The GAIT phones can be a mixed blessing. It seems that Cingular (at least
> >with the Nokia 6340i defeated some of the interoperability featues.) In my
> >area, analog service is occasionally needed to fill in the holes.
> >Unfortunately, the preferences seem to be set such that the phone will
> >attempt to use a marginal GSM connection before it tries anything else.
> >After Cingular modified the Nokia programming, you cannot over-ride the
> >automatic selection as you can with the standard Nokia programming.
>
> If true, the solution is to buy a standard unlocked phone (e.g., on eBay).
>
> >Currently, GSM, TDMA, and Analog service are necessary to completely cover
> >my area. (Florida & Georgia).
>
> GSM overlay should now pretty much equal TDMA.
>
>
Sorry John but I beg to differ. This is certainly not true in Texas and
I'd bet elsewhere. Most of my traveling is away from big cities and in
the last few months have been in at least a third of Tx and as far as I
could tell NONE of the non-Cingular non-ATTWS carriers in those areas
have converted from TDMA to GSM. In fact there is very little
difference now than a year ago--the phone is on TDMA almost everywhere
(analog in a very few really low out of the way spots). The only place
I've seen GSM working is in cities over 20k and that's not new--T-Mobile
has been there all along. The only difference is now the phone looks for
GSM first since my home area has converted. Other than the known areas
I've seen the phone on GSM only twice--once in far east Texas and last
week near Possum Kingdom lake--both times the phone would not dial out
as if the carrier involved does not have a roaming agreement with
Cingular for GSM. Interestingly both times in a Cellular One
West/Western Wireless CDMA area--strange. A GSM-only phone would be a
paperweight in most of rural Texas.
--
Jud
Dallas TX USA
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- 08-25-2004, 10:13 AM #32John NavasGuest
Re: How Long Until All GSM/No TDMA?
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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 25 Aug 2004
14:28:00 GMT, Jud Hardcastle <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, spamfilter0
>@navasgroup.com says...
>> >Currently, GSM, TDMA, and Analog service are necessary to completely cover
>> >my area. (Florida & Georgia).
>>
>> GSM overlay should now pretty much equal TDMA.
>>
>Sorry John but I beg to differ. This is certainly not true in Texas and
>I'd bet elsewhere. Most of my traveling is away from big cities and in
>the last few months have been in at least a third of Tx and as far as I
>could tell NONE of the non-Cingular non-ATTWS carriers in those areas
>have converted from TDMA to GSM.
Fair enough -- I was referring only to on-network coverage for ATTWS and
Cingular. I should have made that clear, but failed to do so. Out here in
California the ATTWS + Cingular/T-Mobile GSM coverage is very good in most
urban areas, along most major highways, and in nearby non-urban areas. (ATTWS
has free roaming on Cingular, which shares infrastructure with T-Mobile.)
It's only in relatively remote areas that coverage breaks down, and for me at
least that isn't a problem. ( For emergency use, I could simply get a cheap
AMPS phone and use it unactivated, although I'm thinking of giving myself a
Personal EPIRB for Christmas. I nonetheless realize that GSM coverage can
be a significant issue for other people and/or in other parts of the country.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
- 08-26-2004, 10:45 PM #33John KlugGuest
Re: How Long Until All GSM/No TDMA?
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Fair enough -- I was referring only to on-network coverage for ATTWS and
> Cingular.
I am beginning to thing the GSM map for Cingular nation is a
distortion. Compare ATTWS map for the Michigan UP vs. Cingular.
ATTWS shows much less coverage. I suspect ATTWS is more accurate,
since my Siemens S56 couldn't find a network most of the time there.
Basically GSM didn't really do me a lot of good, since we were mostly
in smaller towns of the western UP. But Cingular's map showed the
whole western half covered. My TDMA phone worked, but there was a
time or two when I had to disconnect my car antenna, and get down to
the floor pan under the dash to get the phone to go from Extended Area
to ROAM, and then I got a great signal and could make a call.
- 08-27-2004, 09:48 AM #34Jud HardcastleGuest
Re: How Long Until All GSM/No TDMA?
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Fair enough -- I was referring only to on-network coverage for ATTWS and
> > Cingular.
> I am beginning to thing the GSM map for Cingular nation is a
> distortion. Compare ATTWS map for the Michigan UP vs. Cingular.
> ATTWS shows much less coverage. I suspect ATTWS is more accurate,
> since my Siemens S56 couldn't find a network most of the time there.
> Basically GSM didn't really do me a lot of good, since we were mostly
> in smaller towns of the western UP. But Cingular's map showed the
> whole western half covered. My TDMA phone worked, but there was a
> time or two when I had to disconnect my car antenna, and get down to
> the floor pan under the dash to get the phone to go from Extended Area
> to ROAM, and then I got a great signal and could make a call.
>
"Is a joke" would be more accurate. Someone at Cingular seems to think
all their partners have converted already. I really don't understand
why Cingular has pushed this "it's done" thing through so quickly. It's
so inaccurate now that it can only rebound against them when they sell a
new customer a GSM-only phone based on that map and he/she discovers it
doesn't cover what they show. If they had gone slower, keeping the GAIT
plans for those that need full coverage NOW, and gradually updated the
GSM-only maps as areas came on board, it would have been fine--and much
more "professional". Maybe they didn't think their salespeople and CSR
reps were capable of understanding/explaining two systems to potential
customers well enough to not confuse them.
--
Jud
Dallas TX USA
- 09-26-2004, 02:30 AM #35DudhorseGuest
Re: How Long Until All GSM/No TDMA?
"Jud Hardcastle" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:<[email protected]>...
>> > Fair enough -- I was referring only to on-network coverage for ATTWS
>> > and
>> > Cingular.
>> I am beginning to thing the GSM map for Cingular nation is a
>> distortion. Compare ATTWS map for the Michigan UP vs. Cingular.
>> ATTWS shows much less coverage. I suspect ATTWS is more accurate,
>> since my Siemens S56 couldn't find a network most of the time there.
>> Basically GSM didn't really do me a lot of good, since we were mostly
>> in smaller towns of the western UP. But Cingular's map showed the
>> whole western half covered. My TDMA phone worked, but there was a
>> time or two when I had to disconnect my car antenna, and get down to
>> the floor pan under the dash to get the phone to go from Extended Area
>> to ROAM, and then I got a great signal and could make a call.
>>
> "Is a joke" would be more accurate. Someone at Cingular seems to think
> all their partners have converted already. I really don't understand
> why Cingular has pushed this "it's done" thing through so quickly. It's
> so inaccurate now that it can only rebound against them when they sell a
> new customer a GSM-only phone based on that map and he/she discovers it
> doesn't cover what they show. If they had gone slower, keeping the GAIT
> plans for those that need full coverage NOW, and gradually updated the
> GSM-only maps as areas came on board, it would have been fine--and much
> more "professional". Maybe they didn't think their salespeople and CSR
> reps were capable of understanding/explaining two systems to potential
> customers well enough to not confuse them.
> --
>
..... suspect it also price driven - Cingular can sell more GSM only phones
cheaper so they assume they can get more people to sign on the dotted line.
Who cares if the customer ends up royally pissed off! Afterall Cingular
Marketing got them to committ - they did their job and got their sales
bonuses. Its the boneheads at the Network end that dropped the ball.
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