Sprint, Cingular, Verizon admit to worthless coverage maps.

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 22 Jul
2004 08:55:31 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Carl." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> How odd for one to read between the lines, but not the lines themselves.
>
>I suppose you aren't old enough to remember the U.S. apology in 1969 for
>the Pueblo intruding on North Korean waters in 1968.

Now there's a bad and meaningless analogy.

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 22 Jul
2004 08:53:48 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Jacob Suter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Oh, and where was T-Mobile on this list? They have the most unrealistic
>> maps I've seen yet...
>
>Ask your State's Attorney General.

When and where? Not to mention why?

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In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> In <[email protected]> on Thu, 22 Jul
> 2004 08:55:31 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Carl." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> How odd for one to read between the lines, but not the lines themselves.
> >
> >I suppose you aren't old enough to remember the U.S. apology in 1969 for
> >the Pueblo intruding on North Korean waters in 1968.
>
> Now there's a bad and meaningless analogy.

Not at all.

"Røbert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > And Phillipe gets more creative with Subject lines once again ...
>
> And Smith, the Sprint apologist won't admit. The coverage maps are
> worthless and hence the lawsuits and settlement.
>
> Read the PDFs, not some lame story thats a cut and paste from a
> press release.
>
> http://www.oag.state.tx.us/oagNews/release.php?id=533

I'm not apologizing for anyone troll boy ... In fact I provided a more
comprehensive link, which included the states that were involved ...
Sheesh Phillipe, maybe it's time that I remind everyone here ... in all
these newsgroups of your posting history in the SPCS newsgroup and others,
including those 114 different IDs used over the past year ...

Bob

In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:

Sorry Mr. Apologist. Personal Insults do not excuse the bad behavior of
the Cellular Carriers who are now being closely watched by 31
State's Attorney Generals for compliance with the agreement.

But typical of your lame attempts at obfuscation.

"Røbert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Sorry Mr. Apologist. Personal Insults do not excuse the bad behavior of
> the Cellular Carriers who are now being closely watched by 31
> State's Attorney Generals for compliance with the agreement.
>
> But typical of your lame attempts at obfuscation.

Sigh ... Obuscation, Lying, misquoting are your middle name Phillipe. Since
you've want to continue this, it's time to share with the rest of the
newsgroups your posting history in the SPCS newsgroup.

01) Your preference for lying ...
02) Your misquoting of other posters' messages and your confirmation you do
that.
03) Your attempt to impersonate other posters here.
04) Your unmunging of email addresses so spambots can harvest them.
05) Your attempt to answer prior posts made in one ID with different IDs
06) Your attempt to moderate this group on what can or can't be said, and
then hypocritically post the same words you allegedly abhor.
07) Your failure to answer simple questions asked to clarify your position
here, when the truth comes out.
08) Your manufacturing of false facts and then sidestepping the issue with
false circular reasoning.
09) Your complaints about people insulting you, and you creating insulting
multiple subject threads.
10) Your stalking other posters via Google searches, and posting inaccurate
search results
11) Last, but certainly not least, using AT LEAST 114 different IDs here to
avoid kill filters of others.

And this list keeps getting longer and longer ...

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In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
Sorry Mr. Apologist. Personal Insults do not excuse the bad behavior of
the Cellular Carriers who are now being closely watched by 31
State's Attorney Generals for compliance with the agreement.

But typical of your lame attempts at obfuscation. Insulting me
hardly makes Sprint, verizon or Cingular one nit better.

"Røbert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> Sorry Mr. Apologist. Personal Insults do not excuse the bad behavior of
> the Cellular Carriers who are now being closely watched by 31
> State's Attorney Generals for compliance with the agreement.
>
> But typical of your lame attempts at obfuscation. Insulting me
> hardly makes Sprint, verizon or Cingular one nit better.

More Obfuscation on your part Phillipe (or should I add those other 113 Ids
as well). Those weren't insults, they were facts on your posts and posting
style in the newsgroup.

Bob

In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:

Sorry you are so obscessed. Personal Insults do not excuse the bad
behavior of the Cellular Carriers who are now being closely watched by 31


The Sprint, Verizon, and Cingular's bad behavior that resulted in 31
lawsuits by States Attorney General, and their promise to behave in the
future is not changed by your opinion of any other poster.

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 22 Jul
2004 15:28:14 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Sorry Mr. Apologist. Personal Insults do not excuse the bad behavior of
>the Cellular Carriers who are now being closely watched by 31
>State's Attorney Generals for compliance with the agreement.

ROTFL!

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In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> In <[email protected]> on Thu, 22 Jul
> 2004 15:28:14 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >Sorry Mr. Apologist. Personal Insults do not excuse the bad behavior of
> >the Cellular Carriers who are now being closely watched by 31
> >State's Attorney Generals for compliance with the agreement.
>
> ROTFL!

It's pitiful that you are such an apologist that you think the worthless
coverage maps are a worth laughing about.

In alt.cellular "R?bert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

> But typical of your lame attempts at obfuscation. Insulting me
> hardly makes Sprint, verizon or Cingular one nit better.

I just find it amusing that you love to slam Verizon but don't know
squat about how they operate. Granted, I had enough trouble that I switched,
and I'm not saying that they don't have problems. But what would you know about
problems from a customer's perspective? You've never BEEN a Verizon customer!

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In article <[email protected]>,
Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

> In alt.cellular "R?bert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > But typical of your lame attempts at obfuscation. Insulting me
> > hardly makes Sprint, verizon or Cingular one nit better.
>
> I just find it amusing that you love to slam Verizon but don't know
> squat about how they operate. Granted, I had enough trouble that I switched,
> and I'm not saying that they don't have problems. But what would you know
> about
> problems from a customer's perspective? You've never BEEN a Verizon customer!

I didnt say squat about how Verizon operates. I'm just commenting on
yesterday's news. If you want to call that a slam on Verizon, then it's
you who calling the news a slam on Verizon.

I just think any improvement in coverage maps is long overdue.


<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...u=/ap/20040721
/ap_on_bi_ge/wireless_consumer_rights&sid=95573418>


"This and the California consumers' bill of rights show that elected
officials and policy-makers have heard consumers and they're taking
action to improve conditions in cell phone marketing, instead of waiting
for the market to clean up its own act," said Janee Briesemeister, a
senior policy analyst at Consumers Union.

In alt.cellular "R?bert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

> I didnt say squat about how Verizon operates. I'm just commenting on
> yesterday's news. If you want to call that a slam on Verizon, then it's
> you who calling the news a slam on Verizon.

You didn't fixate on Verizon *this time.* There have been a number of other
times when you have. OK, ATTWS is one thing, Sprint is one thing, you claim
to have been customers of both; fine. You slamming Verizon seems silly to me.

> I just think any improvement in coverage maps is long overdue.

Be that as it may - I'm going to pass up any commentary on this, it's been
discussed to death in other threads.

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 22 Jul
2004 18:41:46 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In <[email protected]> on Thu, 22 Jul
>> 2004 15:28:14 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >Sorry Mr. Apologist. Personal Insults do not excuse the bad behavior of
>> >the Cellular Carriers who are now being closely watched by 31
>> >State's Attorney Generals for compliance with the agreement.
>>
>> ROTFL!
>
>It's pitiful that you are such an apologist that you think the worthless
>coverage maps are a worth laughing about.

To be clear, I'm laughing at your silly statements, not the coverage maps.
;-)

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