Looking good for the Cingular takeover of AT&T

<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...1293&e=2&u=/th
edeal/20040813/bs_deal_thedeal/cingularsetforearlyclearance>

Looking good for the Cingular takeover of AT&T

"Harvey" <HAR@blit.com> wrote in message
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| <http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...1293&e=2&u=/th
| edeal/20040813/bs_deal_thedeal/cingularsetforearlyclearance>
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| Looking good for the Cingular takeover of AT&T

tiny version:

http://tinyurl.com/3ngge

Is this Phillie with the Mac and broken link in a new ID?

Chris

"Harvey" <HAR@blit.com> wrote in message
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> <http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...1293&e=2&u=/th
> edeal/20040813/bs_deal_thedeal/cingularsetforearlyclearance>
>
> Looking good for the Cingular takeover of AT&T

In alt.cellular Chris Russell <noone@nowhere.nospam> wrote:
> Is this Phillie with the Mac and broken link in a new ID?

Probably. But the fact is that Cingular's takeover of AT&T can only mean
good things for AT&T's customers.

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The first post had a broken link that you would have to copy and paste the
end. The next one had a tinyurl that got you there. I just went to Yahoo
Technology news and dug down to it.

Chris

"Fred" <Fred267@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> That link got me a dead end.
>
> Fred
>
> "Harvey" <HAR@blit.com> wrote in message
> news:HAR-868DF7.11344313082004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
>> <http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...1293&e=2&u=/th
>> edeal/20040813/bs_deal_thedeal/cingularsetforearlyclearance>
>>
>> Looking good for the Cingular takeover of AT&T
>
>

That link got me a dead end.

Fred

"Harvey" <HAR@blit.com> wrote in message
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> <http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...1293&e=2&u=/th
> edeal/20040813/bs_deal_thedeal/cingularsetforearlyclearance>
>
> Looking good for the Cingular takeover of AT&T

assuming we're not one of the ten million sold off.

Stu

"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> In alt.cellular Chris Russell <noone@nowhere.nospam> wrote:
> > Is this Phillie with the Mac and broken link in a new ID?
>
> Probably. But the fact is that Cingular's takeover of AT&T can only mean
> good things for AT&T's customers.
>
> --
> JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
> Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /
sjsobol@JustThe.net
> PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
> Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.

Stuart Friedman wrote:
> assuming we're not one of the ten million sold off.
>
> Stu

What would happen if you were sold off, then canceled with your new
provider, what ever it is, and come back to Cingular? Will they say "No, you
cant do that"?

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In <QbCdnQybCsh_0IDcRVn-jQ@lmi.net> on Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:25:22 -0500, Steven
J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

>In alt.cellular Chris Russell <noone@nowhere.nospam> wrote:
>> Is this Phillie with the Mac and broken link in a new ID?
>
>Probably. But the fact is that Cingular's takeover of AT&T can only mean
>good things for AT&T's customers.

Not necessarily -- ATTWS have the best of both worlds at the moment, with
better customer service, more advanced features, and free roaming on Cingular.

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>

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What makes you think that anything like ten million will be sold off?
While Cingular may have to give up some spectrum in some areas, I don't see
any reason to believe that it will have to sell off a significant number of
subscribers.

In <CpcTc.23959$Jp6.5136@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink .net> on Fri, 13 Aug 2004
23:46:42 GMT, "Stuart Friedman" <stu@nospam.na> wrote:

>assuming we're not one of the ten million sold off.
>
>Stu
>
>"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>news:QbCdnQybCsh_0IDcRVn-jQ@lmi.net...
>> In alt.cellular Chris Russell <noone@nowhere.nospam> wrote:
>> > Is this Phillie with the Mac and broken link in a new ID?
>>
>> Probably. But the fact is that Cingular's takeover of AT&T can only mean
>> good things for AT&T's customers.
>>
>> --
>> JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
>> Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /
>sjsobol@JustThe.net
>> PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
>> Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
>

--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>

John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message news:<kreTc.7449$54.112917@typhoon.sonic.net>...

> Not necessarily -- ATTWS have the best of both worlds at the moment, with
> better customer service, more advanced features, and free roaming on Cingular.

Sure- customers always get good deals at a "Going Out of Business"
sale... ;-)

Seriously, however, after being transfered from the US to India and
back at least four times in an activation call two weeks ago, I'm not
sure I'm ready to call AT&T CS better than Cingular's. They are both,
at best, baseline competent, IMHO.

As far as advanced features, what does ATTWS offer that Cingular
doesn't?

And as far as roaming, I suspect that was an intelligent, albeit
expensive, attempt to fix the excellent coverage reputation ATTWS
completely squandered over the last couple of years. Realistically,
the merger will give both AT&T and Cingular customers the same
coverage AT&T customers have now- both networks.

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In <de37a2e0.0408132234.1d2d83df@posting.google.com > on 13 Aug 2004 23:34:15
-0700, elecconnec@aol.com (Todd Allcock) wrote:

>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message news:<kreTc.7449$54.112917@typhoon.sonic.net>...
>
>> Not necessarily -- ATTWS have the best of both worlds at the moment, with
>> better customer service, more advanced features, and free roaming on Cingular.
>
>Sure- customers always get good deals at a "Going Out of Business"
>sale... ;-)

Indeed, ATTWS is clearly scrambling to prevent meltdown.

>Seriously, however, after being transfered from the US to India and
>back at least four times in an activation call two weeks ago, I'm not
>sure I'm ready to call AT&T CS better than Cingular's. They are both,
>at best, baseline competent, IMHO.

I've never had an ATTWS support call outside of the USA.

>As far as advanced features, what does ATTWS offer that Cingular
>doesn't?

Better OTA configuration. More advanced voicemail. Widespread EDGE. UMTS.

>And as far as roaming, I suspect that was an intelligent, albeit
>expensive, attempt to fix the excellent coverage reputation ATTWS
>completely squandered over the last couple of years.

So be it.

>Realistically,
>the merger will give both AT&T and Cingular customers the same
>coverage AT&T customers have now- both networks.

Perhaps, but that remains to be seen.

--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>

In article <7ikTc.7506$54.113833@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >Seriously, however, after being transfered from the US to India and
> >back at least four times in an activation call two weeks ago, I'm not
> >sure I'm ready to call AT&T CS better than Cingular's. They are both,
> >at best, baseline competent, IMHO.
>
> I've never had an ATTWS support call outside of the USA.

Is that relevant to anything, Mr. Blowhard?

John Navas will take any opportunity to say something. Anything. He
can't shut up, even if what he says is meaningless.

This excerpt from the Yahoo story explains the loss of 10 million (out of 22
million) customers or $8.25B of ATTWS' current business.

Regardless, the required divestitures will not come close to giving
Cingular the right to back out of the deal. The merger agreement requires
the company to sell spectrum and customers worth up to $8.25 billion. That
equates to dumping 10 million of the 22 million AT&T Wireless customers that
Cingular is gaining in the transaction.


Chris

"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> What makes you think that anything like ten million will be sold off?
> While Cingular may have to give up some spectrum in some areas, I don't
> see
> any reason to believe that it will have to sell off a significant number
> of
> subscribers.
>
> In <CpcTc.23959$Jp6.5136@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink .net> on Fri, 13 Aug
> 2004
> 23:46:42 GMT, "Stuart Friedman" <stu@nospam.na> wrote:
>
>>assuming we're not one of the ten million sold off.
>>
>>Stu
>>
>>"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>>news:QbCdnQybCsh_0IDcRVn-jQ@lmi.net...
>>> In alt.cellular Chris Russell <noone@nowhere.nospam> wrote:
>>> > Is this Phillie with the Mac and broken link in a new ID?
>>>
>>> Probably. But the fact is that Cingular's takeover of AT&T can only mean
>>> good things for AT&T's customers.
>>>
>>> --
>>> JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
>>> Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /
>>sjsobol@JustThe.net
>>> PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
>>> Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three
>>> kids.
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>

In article <IseTc.7450$54.112996@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> What makes you think that anything like ten million will be sold off?

Um, the fact that I can read. (Apparently John Navas can't read. Or
doesn't want to--because reading facts might upset things in John's
little world, where things are the way John wants them to be.)

From the article in question, which is the direct source of the ten
million comment:

> Regardless, the required divestitures will not come close
> to giving Cingular the right to back out of the deal. The
> merger agreement requires the company to sell spectrum and
> customers worth up to $8.25 billion. That equates to dumping
> 10 million of the 22 million AT&T Wireless customers that
> Cingular is gaining in the transaction.

Whether they do it or not is immaterial. The ten million customers
comment came directly from that article, and John's world didn't allow
for anything like that. In the same manner that a frog literally
doesn't see anything that doesn't behave like a fly, John literally
doesn't see anything that doesn't fit into the little world John built
for himself.

So if John doesn't know it, it doesn't exist. He's not ignoring it;
literally, in John's mind, it doesn't exist. So when someone refers to
the "ten million customers" thing, John honestly has no clue what he's
talking about.

Proof, then, that John Navas is clueless.