1 phone-2 numbers?

John and Shag,

Iden is a take off of GSM. I beleive that Nextel has roaming agreements
with oversees carriers. I beleive that if Nextel wanted to, they could
sign roaming agreements with all the US GSM carriers, and use there
network. They would just loose there Push to talk.

Chip

John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Mon, 30 Aug 2004
> 13:49:39 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I'm sorry, I didn't intend to exclude any qualified handset with my
>>>>comment. For some reason, I've understood Nextel handsets were IDEN
>>>>instead of cellular. My bad.
>>>
>>> And of course not usable on Cingular, the subject of this newsgroup.
>>
>>But the assertion was that "NO ONE does this". Bull****. Nextel does
>>it.
>
>
> No current cellular does. Nextel is iDEN.
>
>
>>Go make cell calls with Nextel if you need it. Oops--
>
>
> Oops indeed -- won't work with my handsets.
>
>
>>here comes Mr. A/V
>>Geek, going to correct me that Nextel makes iDEN calls.
>
>
> In fact it does only make iDEN calls, which is why Nextel handsets won't work
> on other carriers, and iDEN features will only work on Nextel. In other
> words, it's different. ;-)
>

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Ralph Blach wrote:

> John and Shag,
>
> Iden is a take off of GSM. I beleive that Nextel has roaming agreements
> with oversees carriers. I beleive that if Nextel wanted to, they could
> sign roaming agreements with all the US GSM carriers, and use there
> network. They would just loose there Push to talk.
>
> Chip


I think Chip is a geekoid. )


--
jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
"All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
what we know." -- Richard Wilbur

After seeing what this thread has deteriorated to, I'm sorry I asked.
J

Jay <[email protected]> writes:

>After seeing what this thread has deteriorated to, I'm sorry I asked.

There's no need to apologize for posting a good question and then being
too lazy to appreciate the answers. Someday someone more discerning
might come along looking for similar information and find what he needs
in this thread.

I am surprised by the turn in the thread however. You see, it's long
established that *I* am the only one allowed to call non-AMPS cellular
PSTN devices "cell phones."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

--kyler

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> No current cellular does. Nextel is iDEN.

Jesus- my three year old daughter is better at letting a stupid
argument drop than you guys! What's with the pathological need to get
in the last word?

> >Go make cell calls with Nextel if you need it. Oops--
>
> Oops indeed -- won't work with my handsets.

Neither does CDMA! This whole "Nextel isn't cellular" argument might
have been valid in the old 800MHz analog-only A/B carrier days, but my
most definitions Sprint and T-Mo aren't "cellular" either- they aren't
800MHz.
So, if you have expanded YOUR definition of "cellular" to include
different frequencies and different technologies, then it's not too
much of a stretch to include iDen in the blanket of "wireless phones
that operate by registration with the network of a wireless service
provider", which most of us would, in casual conversation, likely
abbreviate to "wireless", "mobile" or "cellular" phone.



> In fact it does only make iDEN calls, which is why Nextel handsets won't work
> on other carriers, and iDEN features will only work on Nextel. In other
> words, it's different. ;-)

Correct- just a little more different as CDMA and GSM... Why no
stupid arguments over their claim to the term "cellular"?
(Particularly those hansets with no 800MHz "cellular" support?)

From the end user standpoint, in these United States of non-unified
wireless standards, Nextel is as "cellular" as any other wireless
carrier, regarless of what's under the hood. If we were an all-CDMA
or all-GSM nation where handsets were interchangeable between carriers
except for Nextel/iDen, you'd have a point for singling them out- but
virtually any criteria you use to exclude them (handsets not
compatible with others, different technology, frequency, etc.) fits
other carriers as well.

The purest reason to consider them "wireless" or "cellular"? Simple:
the other players in the industry consider them a competitor.

[email protected] (Todd Allcock) writes:

>The purest reason to consider them "wireless" or "cellular"? Simple:
>the other players in the industry consider them a competitor.

Uh...how 'bout simply that they communicate wirelessly through cells
(unlike, for example, a typical "cordless phone")?

--kyler

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:54:59 -0400,
Ralph Blach <[email protected]> wrote:

>Iden is a take off of GSM.

iDEN, like GSM, is actually based on TDMA, with important differences from
other TDMA variations. It is, however, less efficient than TDMA.

>I beleive that Nextel has roaming agreements
>with oversees carriers.

Nextel overseas roaming is based on a dual-mode iDEN/GSM handset -- see
<http://www.nextel.com/support/faq/worldwidefaq.shtml>.

>I beleive that if Nextel wanted to, they could
>sign roaming agreements with all the US GSM carriers, and use there
>network.

Only with a dual-mode handset.

>They would just loose there Push to talk.

Since it wouldn't be iDEN.

>Chip
>
>John Navas wrote:
>>
>> In <[email protected]> on Mon, 30 Aug 2004
>> 13:49:39 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I'm sorry, I didn't intend to exclude any qualified handset with my
>>>>>comment. For some reason, I've understood Nextel handsets were IDEN
>>>>>instead of cellular. My bad.
>>>>
>>>> And of course not usable on Cingular, the subject of this newsgroup.
>>>
>>>But the assertion was that "NO ONE does this". Bull****. Nextel does
>>>it.
>>
>>
>> No current cellular does. Nextel is iDEN.
>>
>>
>>>Go make cell calls with Nextel if you need it. Oops--
>>
>>
>> Oops indeed -- won't work with my handsets.
>>
>>
>>>here comes Mr. A/V
>>>Geek, going to correct me that Nextel makes iDEN calls.
>>
>>
>> In fact it does only make iDEN calls, which is why Nextel handsets won't work
>> on other carriers, and iDEN features will only work on Nextel. In other
>> words, it's different. ;-)
>>

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on 31 Aug 2004 06:46:44
-0700, [email protected] (Todd Allcock) wrote:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>> No current cellular does. Nextel is iDEN.
>
>Jesus- my three year old daughter is better at letting a stupid
>argument drop than you guys!

So where is she when we need her?!

>What's with the pathological need to get
>in the last word?

And you? ;-)

>> >Go make cell calls with Nextel if you need it. Oops--
>>
>> Oops indeed -- won't work with my handsets.
>
>Neither does CDMA!

True. The difference is that GSM is a worldwide standard supported by many
carriers, unlike iDEN and Nextel.

>From the end user standpoint, in these United States of non-unified
>wireless standards, Nextel is as "cellular" as any other wireless
>carrier, regarless of what's under the hood. ...

I disagree -- Nextel is unique in using equipment that won't work on any other
carrier.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:11:48 GMT, Kyler Laird
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] (Todd Allcock) writes:
>
>>The purest reason to consider them "wireless" or "cellular"? Simple:
>>the other players in the industry consider them a competitor.
>
>Uh...how 'bout simply that they communicate wirelessly through cells
>(unlike, for example, a typical "cordless phone")?

Except that is what cordless phones do as well. ;-) The real difference is
that cellular has seamless handoff between cells (or is supposed to at
least.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

Jer wrote:

Jer,

Thanks a bunch, I love being called a geekoid!!!! I always have been
and alwasy be! Thanks for the wonderful compliment!!!!

Chip
> Ralph Blach wrote:
>
>> John and Shag,
>>
>> Iden is a take off of GSM. I beleive that Nextel has roaming agreements
>> with oversees carriers. I beleive that if Nextel wanted to, they
>> could sign roaming agreements with all the US GSM carriers, and use
>> there network. They would just loose there Push to talk.
>>
>> Chip
>
>
>
> I think Chip is a geekoid. )
>
>