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- 10-24-2004, 12:36 AM #16Dr. Rastis FafoofnikGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los
Angeles
> market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion
that
> it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. (It could be Verizon too, though. But
> given that Verizon has stopped building out analog and given that they
have
> almost no analog capacity in this part of SBD County, I'm pretty sure it's
> *not* Verizon.)
>
> Also, I was curious if there are any Cingular customers posting to the
Cingular
> newsgroup from the Apple Valley or Victorville, CA. Specifically, I'm
curious
> about Cingular coverage between National Trails Highway (old US 66) and US
395
> on Air Expressway.
Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
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- 10-24-2004, 12:41 AM #17CharlesHGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
In article <[email protected]>,
JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from
>putting up
>>analog towers too, for roamers.
>
>I don't think there's much of a business case for putting up towers
>just to serve roaming customers. Roaming business only makes sense
>when the towers first serve your own customers and then *also* serve
>roaming customers for an additional fee.
If Cingular in CA is only 1900MHz, then they cannot provide analog, since
there is no analog on the PCS band. Only digital of one flavor or another.
When they merge with AT&T Wireless, then the combined company will have
850MHz (cellular band) service.
- 10-24-2004, 01:14 AM #18John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:37:04 -0700, Steve
Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
>Steve Sobol wrote:
>> John Navas wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>>
>> Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it
>> is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
>
>And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How
>exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start
>handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range
>of frequencies instead of just 800?
It's a range of frequencies, the same frequencies for TDMA/AMPS 800 as for GSM
850. See <http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/s...quencies.shtml>
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- 10-24-2004, 01:21 AM #19John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
>Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
>It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
>beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.
--
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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
- 10-24-2004, 07:25 AM #20Scott Nelson - Wash DCGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
"CharlesH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from
<snip>
> If Cingular in CA is only 1900MHz, then they cannot provide analog, since
> there is no analog on the PCS band. Only digital of one flavor or another.
> When they merge with AT&T Wireless, then the combined company will have
> 850MHz (cellular band) service.
-->AT&T has the "A" band spectrum for most of So Cal, which Cingular now
has.
Scotty
- 10-24-2004, 09:02 AM #21Steve SobolGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik wrote:
> Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
> Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
> It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
> beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
But it's not. Pissed me off big time, too - my house was a little too far from
the tower to reliably get a digital signal but analog worked fine... but a
majority of analog calls wouldn't go through anyhow, I assume due to lack of
capacity - I constantly got fast busy signals. The phone could acquire the
analog carrier with no problems, I just couldn't make a call.
I hope no one tries to make an On-Star call from my neighborhood. I only got
through in analog maybe on time out of every three or four.
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- 10-24-2004, 09:53 AM #22Jack ZwickGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
> 06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
> >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
> >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
> >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
>
> From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
>
> In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
> ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
> the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
> carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
> the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
> January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
> dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.
This affects Sobol's service TODAY how?
- 10-24-2004, 10:14 AM #23JosephGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:33:10 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
wrote:
>John Navas wrote:
>
>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>
>Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850,
>isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
GSM 850 is what is referred to as 800 for other technologies such as
TDMA, CDMA and analog AMPS. For whatever reason when they use the
same frequencies with GSM they call it 850. Go figure.
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- 10-24-2004, 10:16 AM #24JosephGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:37:04 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Steve Sobol wrote:
>> John Navas wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>>
>>
>> Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it
>> is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
>
>And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How
>exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start
>handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range
>of frequencies instead of just 800?
It's not 800 or 850 in reality. It is frequencies *around* 800 Mhz
for sending and receiving. It isn't exactly 800 Mhz nor is it exactly
850 either.
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- 10-24-2004, 01:40 PM #25Nomen NescioGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:28:09 GMT, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
>In <[email protected]> on Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve
>Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting
up
>>analog towers too, for roamers.
>
>Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
Actually, it doesn't. Cingular could put up an analog tower for roamers, but
the FCC would order them to take it down or stop using it.
But even that really wouldn't stop them if they just put a Maginot Line around
the tower and were determined to defy the FCC.
- 10-24-2004, 02:18 PM #26John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:14:54
-0700, Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:33:10 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>>
>>Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850,
>>isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
>
>GSM 850 is what is referred to as 800 for other technologies such as
>TDMA, CDMA and analog AMPS. For whatever reason when they use the
>same frequencies with GSM they call it 850. Go figure.
Probably to minimize confusion between TDMA and GSM.
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- 10-24-2004, 02:20 PM #27John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
2004 15:53:13 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
>> 06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
>> >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
>> >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
>> >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
>>
>> From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
>>
>> In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
>> ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
>> the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
>> carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
>> the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
>> January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
>> dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.
>
>This affects Sobol's service TODAY how?
My point was that those "two MAJOR customers" have no bearing on the
availability of AMPS (analog) service.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
- 10-24-2004, 02:40 PM #28John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
2004 20:30:29 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
>> 2004 15:53:13 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
>> >> 06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
>> >> >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
>> >> >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
>> >> >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
>> >>
>> >> From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
>> >>
>> >> In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
>> >> ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
>> >> the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
>> >> carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
>> >> the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
>> >> January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
>> >> dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.
>> >
>> >This affects Sobol's service TODAY how?
>>
>> My point was that those "two MAJOR customers" have no bearing on the
>> availability of AMPS (analog) service.
>
>Today or in 2008 ?
At any time.
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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
- 10-24-2004, 02:47 PM #29Jack ZwickGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
> 2004 20:30:29 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
> >> 2004 15:53:13 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
> >> >> 2004
> >> >> 06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves
> >> >> >on
> >> >> >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
> >> >> >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
> >> >>
> >> >> From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
> >> >>
> >> >> In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
> >> >> ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
> >> >> the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
> >> >> carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
> >> >> the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
> >> >> January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
> >> >> dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.
> >> >
> >> >This affects Sobol's service TODAY how?
> >>
> >> My point was that those "two MAJOR customers" have no bearing on the
> >> availability of AMPS (analog) service.
> >
> >Today or in 2008 ?
>
> At any time.
So you didnt answer the question then. How does it affect it now?
- 10-24-2004, 02:54 PM #30John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
2004 20:47:24 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> At any time.
>
>So you didnt answer the question then. ...
Actually I did.
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