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  1. #16
    Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik
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    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?


    "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los

    Angeles
    > market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion

    that
    > it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. (It could be Verizon too, though. But
    > given that Verizon has stopped building out analog and given that they

    have
    > almost no analog capacity in this part of SBD County, I'm pretty sure it's
    > *not* Verizon.)
    >
    > Also, I was curious if there are any Cingular customers posting to the

    Cingular
    > newsgroup from the Apple Valley or Victorville, CA. Specifically, I'm

    curious
    > about Cingular coverage between National Trails Highway (old US 66) and US

    395
    > on Air Expressway.


    Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
    Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
    It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
    beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.

    ..





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  2. #17
    CharlesH
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    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:
    >On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from

    >putting up
    >>analog towers too, for roamers.

    >
    >I don't think there's much of a business case for putting up towers
    >just to serve roaming customers. Roaming business only makes sense
    >when the towers first serve your own customers and then *also* serve
    >roaming customers for an additional fee.


    If Cingular in CA is only 1900MHz, then they cannot provide analog, since
    there is no analog on the PCS band. Only digital of one flavor or another.
    When they merge with AT&T Wireless, then the combined company will have
    850MHz (cellular band) service.




  3. #18
    John Navas
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    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:37:04 -0700, Steve
    Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Steve Sobol wrote:
    >> John Navas wrote:
    >>
    >>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.

    >>
    >> Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it
    >> is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...

    >
    >And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How
    >exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start
    >handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range
    >of frequencies instead of just 800?


    It's a range of frequencies, the same frequencies for TDMA/AMPS 800 as for GSM
    850. See <http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/s...quencies.shtml>

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  4. #19
    John Navas
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    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
    06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
    >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
    >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
    >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.


    From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:

    In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
    ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
    the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
    carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
    the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
    January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
    dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  5. #20
    Scott Nelson - Wash DC
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    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?


    "CharlesH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
    > >wrote:
    > >
    > >>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from


    <snip>

    > If Cingular in CA is only 1900MHz, then they cannot provide analog, since
    > there is no analog on the PCS band. Only digital of one flavor or another.
    > When they merge with AT&T Wireless, then the combined company will have
    > 850MHz (cellular band) service.


    -->AT&T has the "A" band spectrum for most of So Cal, which Cingular now
    has.

    Scotty





  6. #21
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik wrote:

    > Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
    > Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
    > It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
    > beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.


    But it's not. Pissed me off big time, too - my house was a little too far from
    the tower to reliably get a digital signal but analog worked fine... but a
    majority of analog calls wouldn't go through anyhow, I assume due to lack of
    capacity - I constantly got fast busy signals. The phone could acquire the
    analog carrier with no problems, I just couldn't make a call.

    I hope no one tries to make an On-Star call from my neighborhood. I only got
    through in analog maybe on time out of every three or four.

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    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.



  7. #22
    Jack Zwick
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    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
    > 06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
    > >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
    > >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
    > >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.

    >
    > From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
    >
    > In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
    > ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
    > the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
    > carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
    > the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
    > January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
    > dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.


    This affects Sobol's service TODAY how?



  8. #23
    Joseph
    Guest

    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:33:10 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.

    >
    >Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850,
    >isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...


    GSM 850 is what is referred to as 800 for other technologies such as
    TDMA, CDMA and analog AMPS. For whatever reason when they use the
    same frequencies with GSM they call it 850. Go figure.

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  9. #24
    Joseph
    Guest

    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:37:04 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Steve Sobol wrote:
    >> John Navas wrote:
    >>
    >>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.

    >>
    >>
    >> Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it
    >> is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...

    >
    >And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How
    >exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start
    >handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range
    >of frequencies instead of just 800?


    It's not 800 or 850 in reality. It is frequencies *around* 800 Mhz
    for sending and receiving. It isn't exactly 800 Mhz nor is it exactly
    850 either.
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  10. #25
    Nomen Nescio
    Guest

    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:28:09 GMT, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    >[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    >In <[email protected]> on Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve
    >Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting

    up
    >>analog towers too, for roamers.

    >
    >Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.


    Actually, it doesn't. Cingular could put up an analog tower for roamers, but
    the FCC would order them to take it down or stop using it.

    But even that really wouldn't stop them if they just put a Maginot Line around
    the tower and were determined to defy the FCC.




  11. #26
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:14:54
    -0700, Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:33:10 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>John Navas wrote:
    >>
    >>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.

    >>
    >>Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850,
    >>isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...

    >
    >GSM 850 is what is referred to as 800 for other technologies such as
    >TDMA, CDMA and analog AMPS. For whatever reason when they use the
    >same frequencies with GSM they call it 850. Go figure.


    Probably to minimize confusion between TDMA and GSM.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  12. #27
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
    2004 15:53:13 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
    >> 06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
    >> >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
    >> >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
    >> >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.

    >>
    >> From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
    >>
    >> In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
    >> ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
    >> the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
    >> carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
    >> the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
    >> January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
    >> dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.

    >
    >This affects Sobol's service TODAY how?


    My point was that those "two MAJOR customers" have no bearing on the
    availability of AMPS (analog) service.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  13. #28
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
    2004 20:30:29 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
    >> 2004 15:53:13 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >In article <[email protected]>,
    >> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
    >> >> 06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
    >> >> >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
    >> >> >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
    >> >> >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
    >> >>
    >> >> From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
    >> >>
    >> >> In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
    >> >> ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
    >> >> the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
    >> >> carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
    >> >> the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
    >> >> January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
    >> >> dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.
    >> >
    >> >This affects Sobol's service TODAY how?

    >>
    >> My point was that those "two MAJOR customers" have no bearing on the
    >> availability of AMPS (analog) service.

    >
    >Today or in 2008 ?


    At any time.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  14. #29
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
    > 2004 20:30:29 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >In article <[email protected]>,
    > > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
    > >> 2004 15:53:13 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >In article <[email protected]>,
    > >> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
    > >> >> 2004
    > >> >> 06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <[email protected]>
    > >> >> wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves
    > >> >> >on
    > >> >> >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
    > >> >> >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off
    > >> >> >the
    > >> >> >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
    > >> >> ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
    > >> >> the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
    > >> >> carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
    > >> >> the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
    > >> >> January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
    > >> >> dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.
    > >> >
    > >> >This affects Sobol's service TODAY how?
    > >>
    > >> My point was that those "two MAJOR customers" have no bearing on the
    > >> availability of AMPS (analog) service.

    > >
    > >Today or in 2008 ?

    >
    > At any time.


    So you didnt answer the question then. How does it affect it now?



  15. #30
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Oct
    2004 20:47:24 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:


    >> At any time.

    >
    >So you didnt answer the question then. ...


    Actually I did.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



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