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- 10-22-2004, 10:20 PM #1Steve SobolGuest
Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los Angeles
market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion that
it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. (It could be Verizon too, though. But
given that Verizon has stopped building out analog and given that they have
almost no analog capacity in this part of SBD County, I'm pretty sure it's
*not* Verizon.)
Also, I was curious if there are any Cingular customers posting to the Cingular
newsgroup from the Apple Valley or Victorville, CA. Specifically, I'm curious
about Cingular coverage between National Trails Highway (old US 66) and US 395
on Air Expressway.
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- 10-22-2004, 10:37 PM #2RodGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Steve Sobol wrote:
> Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the
> Los Angeles market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a
> sneaking suspicion that it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. (It
> could be Verizon too, though. But given that Verizon has stopped
> building out analog and given that they have almost no analog
> capacity in this part of SBD County, I'm pretty sure it's *not*
> Verizon.)
>
> Also, I was curious if there are any Cingular customers posting to
> the Cingular newsgroup from the Apple Valley or Victorville, CA.
> Specifically, I'm curious about Cingular coverage between National
> Trails Highway (old US 66) and US 395 on Air Expressway.
Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California.
- 10-22-2004, 11:17 PM #3Frank HarrisGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Rod wrote:
> Steve Sobol wrote:
>
>>Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the
>>Los Angeles market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a
>>sneaking suspicion that it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. (It
>>could be Verizon too, though. But given that Verizon has stopped
>>building out analog and given that they have almost no analog
>>capacity in this part of SBD County, I'm pretty sure it's *not*
>>Verizon.)
>>
>>Also, I was curious if there are any Cingular customers posting to
>>the Cingular newsgroup from the Apple Valley or Victorville, CA.
>>Specifically, I'm curious about Cingular coverage between National
>>Trails Highway (old US 66) and US 395 on Air Expressway.
>
>
> Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California.
>
I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as Pac
Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system.
According to Andrew Shepherd's maps, ATTWS is the A-side carrier in San
Bernardino County and Verizon is the B-side carrier.
Have you received an analog signal (or a digital roam 800CDMA signal) in
the places you mention? Can you put your phone in field debug mode to
reveal a SID number? Or call 611 and see who answers?
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- 10-23-2004, 10:18 AM #4JosephGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:20:05 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los Angeles
>market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion that
>it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure.
San Bernardino? Absolutely not possible that it's cingular
considering that cingular in California was the successor to Pacific
Bell PCS a *GSM* operator.
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- 10-23-2004, 10:42 AM #5Steve SobolGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Frank Harris wrote:
>> Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California.
>
> I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as Pac
> Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system.
Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up
analog towers too, for roamers.
> According to Andrew Shepherd's maps, ATTWS is the A-side carrier in San
> Bernardino County and Verizon is the B-side carrier.
That'd be correct.
> Have you received an analog signal (or a digital roam 800CDMA signal) in
> the places you mention? Can you put your phone in field debug mode to
> reveal a SID number? Or call 611 and see who answers?
Well, in the area I referred to I have basically no digital signal, from Air
Expressway just east of Village Drive down to old Route 66 (National Trails
Highway) down into Victorville's Old Town neighborhood, D Street just past
I-15. I don't have problems elsewhere, and can use my Sprint phone at my house
out on the edge of town where my Verizon phone was basically unusable. Out on
the eastern part of Air Expressway, there's nothing... no houses, no
businesses, nothing except a junkyard, so I suspect that Sprint has little
incentive to put a tower there. But my father-in-law's T-Mobile phone works,
and he'd be using Cingular towers if he's using his phone here in California.
(Of course, he's not using the phone in analog.)
I have Fair & Flexible, but I'd need to pay the additional five bucks per month
for F&F America in order to not pay roaming charges; right now if I try to make
an analog call I get charged 50c/minute, so I'm not real keen on experimentation
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- 10-23-2004, 10:44 AM #6Steve SobolGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Joseph wrote:
>>Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los Angeles
>>market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion that
>>it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure.
>
>
> San Bernardino? Absolutely not possible that it's cingular
> considering that cingular in California was the successor to Pacific
> Bell PCS a *GSM* operator.
You're right, although that doesn't preclude them putting up analog towers for
roamers.
Verizon's high level of suckage here in the Victor Valley leads me to believe
it's not Verizon. Since I had to switch my Verizon phone to analog pretty often
to make calls from my house, and on at least half the calls I got fast busy
signals, I already know that their analog capacity is basically nonexistent.
I guess it would have to be ATTWS then...
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- 10-23-2004, 10:55 AM #7Steve SobolGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Bill Radio wrote:
> Steve,
> It isn't Cingular. They aren't analog in CA.
>
> If you have the latest PRL, 10025, your phone will search for Verizon
> digital first, then Verizon analog.
Well, Verizon digital works on that side of Middle Of Nowheresville... just not
real well (ok, not at all) in my corner of town. Maybe I should pay the extra
money and have usable service heading out towards Adelanto...
**SJS (making a mental note to call and have my phone flagged for a PRL update)
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- 10-23-2004, 11:26 AM #8JC DillGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up
>analog towers too, for roamers.
I don't think there's much of a business case for putting up towers
just to serve roaming customers. Roaming business only makes sense
when the towers first serve your own customers and then *also* serve
roaming customers for an additional fee.
jc
- 10-23-2004, 12:51 PM #9Steve SobolGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
JC Dill wrote:
>>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up
>>analog towers too, for roamers.
>
> I don't think there's much of a business case for putting up towers
> just to serve roaming customers.
Used to be big business; may or may not be as much of an issue now.
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- 10-23-2004, 07:16 PM #10JosephGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as Pac
>> Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system.
>
>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up
>analog towers too, for roamers.
Uh, Steve it sure does if they don't have that spectrum assigned to
them. Perhaps when they become one with AT&T Wireless that will be a
different story. However, we are dealing with the here and now not
what may be a year or two from now.
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- 10-23-2004, 07:28 PM #11Steve SobolGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Joseph wrote:
> Uh, Steve it sure does if they don't have that spectrum assigned to
> them.
*blink*
Yeah, that would be a problem, wouldn't it.
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- 10-23-2004, 08:28 PM #12John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve
Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
>Frank Harris wrote:
>
>>> Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California.
>>
>> I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as Pac
>> Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system.
>
>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up
>analog towers too, for roamers.
Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
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- 10-23-2004, 08:33 PM #13Steve SobolGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
John Navas wrote:
> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850,
isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
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- 10-23-2004, 08:36 PM #14John NavasGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:33:10 -0700, Steve
Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
>John Navas wrote:
>
>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>
>Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850,
>isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
And does not exist with Cingular in California, where it has only 1900 MHz
spectrum.
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- 10-23-2004, 08:37 PM #15Steve SobolGuest
Re: Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Steve Sobol wrote:
> John Navas wrote:
>
>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>
>
> Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it
> is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How
exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start
handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range
of frequencies instead of just 800?
**SJS
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