Re: New Rumor, any comments

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:28:29 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com>
wrote:

>In article <ch20o01q8hatvonbbkg9evoln1fn157pqc@4ax.com>,
> Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:28:32 -0400, Ralph Blach
>> <rblach@NOSPAMintrex..XXXnet> wrote:
>>
>> >Well, beleive or not, I thought he was wrong to.
>> >I do however see see Cingular selling the spectrum they own to T-mobile
>> >or Sun-Com simply because they are GSM carriers
>>
>> What does GSM have to do with it? Spectrum doesn't have to use any
>> single technology. It can use any technology.
>>
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>
>
>Presumably carriers that mainly use 1900 MHz would be more interested in
>that spectrum, whereas Verizon which uses mostly 800 MHz wouldn't.

Verizon uses both cellular and PCS. Do you know many carriers that
are going to turn down spectrum if offered to them?

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:13:54 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <10nv35s6k9d6eb4@corp.supernews.com>,
> Ralph Blach <rblach@NOSPAMintrex..XXXnet> wrote:
>
>> I was at a Cingular store, yesterday, and the employee said that
>> the new rumor was that Cingular was going to purchase T-mobile.
>
>Cingular is going to buy my car. They said so.

Do they *really* want a Yugo?

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In <lrh0o09igvj62jtjvhcc3mnb2lpj157scb@4ax.com> on Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:13:38
-0700, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote:

>... Do you know many carriers that
>are going to turn down spectrum if offered to them?

Depends on the price. It won't be free.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

>I do beleive that all of
>Cingulars excess spectrum will be sold to T-mobile

We who have Cingular, AT&T and T-Mobile can only hope that this is correct!

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John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net

"Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> wrote in message
news:8ZQfd.11006$ta5.5841@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
> "Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:jzwick3-493B6F.09470627102004@news1.west.earthlink.net...
>>
>> Totally bogus. Next time ask for a URL.
>>
>
> AT&T (the ORIGINAL AT&T) will reenter the cellular market once this merger
> has been completed. I read somewhere that Cingular can use the AT&T logo
> and trademark for up to 6 months, while they fold ATTWS into Cingular.
>
> There has been a lot of speculation expressed that AT&T expects a
> significant number of us former ATTWS customers to return to the familiar
> AT&T brand, once they start up again, and I am hopeful that there will be
> some really good incentives to switch.
>
> AT&T has a 5-year deal to use Sprint's network to carry their calls, but
> AT&T will set rates, handle their own billing and customer service, and
> arrange their own roaming agreements.
>

While AT&T (as a Sprint reseller) will not turn down retail customers, their
primary target is businesses. They want to continue to offer cellular in
their business phone packages (along with wireline, VOIP, etc).. Up until
now ATTWS was being contracted for that purpose by AT&T. One of the things
Cingular gains in the merger is a lot of business users. Cingular will work
hard to keep them since it is a segment in which Cingular has not been
traditionally strong.
-- Cary

"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:jzwick3-493B6F.09470627102004@news1.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <10nv35s6k9d6eb4@corp.supernews.com>,
> Ralph Blach <rblach@NOSPAMintrex..XXXnet> wrote:
>
> > I was at a Cingular store, yesterday, and the employee said that
> > the new rumor was that Cingular was going to purchase T-mobile.
> >
> > I sort of suspect that this is bogus, but I do beleive that all of
> > Cingulars excess spectrum will be sold to T-mobile
> >
> > Any comments.
> >
> > Chip
>
> Totally bogus. Next time ask for a URL.
>
> SBC and Bell South (owners of CIngular) just had to sell off many assets
> to be able to afford ATTWS. They are hardly in a buying mood now.
>
> As for who they will sell off assets to, they will (in all cases) sell
> to the highest bidder.


Just what assets did they have to sell to "afford" ATTWS?

Link please.

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In <2uhp82F2a14n6U1@uni-berlin.de> on Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:10:17 -0500,
"Shaolin Superfly" <shaolinsuperfly@yinyang.com> wrote:

>
>"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:jzwick3-493B6F.09470627102004@news1.west.earthlink.net...
>> In article <10nv35s6k9d6eb4@corp.supernews.com>,
>> Ralph Blach <rblach@NOSPAMintrex..XXXnet> wrote:
>>
>> > I was at a Cingular store, yesterday, and the employee said that
>> > the new rumor was that Cingular was going to purchase T-mobile.
>> >
>> > I sort of suspect that this is bogus, but I do beleive that all of
>> > Cingulars excess spectrum will be sold to T-mobile
>> >
>> > Any comments.
>> >
>> > Chip
>>
>> Totally bogus. Next time ask for a URL.
>>
>> SBC and Bell South (owners of CIngular) just had to sell off many assets
>> to be able to afford ATTWS. They are hardly in a buying mood now.
>>
>> As for who they will sell off assets to, they will (in all cases) sell
>> to the highest bidder.
>
>
>Just what assets did they have to sell to "afford" ATTWS?
>
>Link please.

http://www.infoamericas.com/announce...ca-moviles.htm

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <sqQgd.2388$_3.30178@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <2uhp82F2a14n6U1@uni-berlin.de> on Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:10:17 -0500,
> "Shaolin Superfly" <shaolinsuperfly@yinyang.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >news:jzwick3-493B6F.09470627102004@news1.west.earthlink.net...
> >> In article <10nv35s6k9d6eb4@corp.supernews.com>,
> >> Ralph Blach <rblach@NOSPAMintrex..XXXnet> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I was at a Cingular store, yesterday, and the employee said that
> >> > the new rumor was that Cingular was going to purchase T-mobile.
> >> >
> >> > I sort of suspect that this is bogus, but I do beleive that all of
> >> > Cingulars excess spectrum will be sold to T-mobile
> >> >
> >> > Any comments.
> >> >
> >> > Chip
> >>
> >> Totally bogus. Next time ask for a URL.
> >>
> >> SBC and Bell South (owners of CIngular) just had to sell off many assets
> >> to be able to afford ATTWS. They are hardly in a buying mood now.
> >>
> >> As for who they will sell off assets to, they will (in all cases) sell
> >> to the highest bidder.
> >
> >
> >Just what assets did they have to sell to "afford" ATTWS?
> >
> >Link please.
>
> http://www.infoamericas.com/announce...lefonica-movil
> es.htm

On top of the $41 Billion in ATTWS stock, they assumed about $9.5
billion in debts.


7.350% Senior Notes due 2006 with an aggregate outstanding principal
amount of $1,000,000,000;

7.875% Senior Notes due 2011 with an aggregate outstanding principal
amount of $3,000,000,000; and

8.750% Senior Notes due 2031 with an aggregate outstanding principal
amount of $2,500,000,000.

6.875% Senior Notes due 2005 with an aggregate outstanding principal
amount of $250,000,000;

7.500% Senior Notes due 2007 with an aggregate outstanding principal
amount of $750,000,000; and

8.125% Senior Notes due 2012 with an aggregate outstanding principal
amount of $2,000,000,000.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:50:27 -0700, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
said in alt.cellular.cingular:

>Well, considering how wrong they did it last time and considering
>their track record with most everything that was associated with them
>whether it be long distance, local service or credit card operations
>they seem to have the knack for running themselves into the ground.
>It's sad to see that a well-established well-thought of company has
>fallen from such heights. Maybe judge Green is partly to blame or
>it's just the natural order of things.

I think the corporate mentality is still stuck in "we're the only game
in town so we can do whatever we want" gear.