Cingular runs false Ad on TV

Seen during a CBS NFL game about 1 PM CST


"Now that Cingular and AT&T Wireless have merged, OVERNIGHT you now have
Free Mobile to Mobile access to 46 million Cingular and AT&T Wireless
customers. "


N O T Q U I T E


===

The web site more honestly, puts it this way:

"Now that AT&T Wireless is part of the Cingular family, our Mobile to
Mobile calling community will grow to become the largest in America. The
reach of your existing Mobile to Mobile calling plan has expanded to
include all Cingular and AT&T Wireless customers an unprecedented 46
million people.*

Implementation*is already underway to expand the reach of your existing
Mobile to Mobile calling plan to all Cingular and AT&T Wireless
customers. Please check back on November 10, 2004 for an update on when
this service will be available. Our goal is to have it available to you
by this holiday season."

http://www.newcingular.com/c_benefits.html


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In article <[email protected]>,
Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

> Seen during a CBS NFL game about 1 PM CST
>
>
> "Now that Cingular and AT&T Wireless have merged, OVERNIGHT you now have
> Free Mobile to Mobile access to 46 million Cingular and AT&T Wireless
> customers. "
>
>
> N O T Q U I T E
>
>
> ===
>
> The web site more honestly, puts it this way:
>
> "Now that AT&T Wireless is part of the Cingular family, our Mobile to
> Mobile calling community will grow to become the largest in America. The
> reach of your existing Mobile to Mobile calling plan has expanded to
> include all Cingular and AT&T Wireless customers an unprecedented 46
> million people.*
>
> Implementation*is already underway to expand the reach of your existing
> Mobile to Mobile calling plan to all Cingular and AT&T Wireless
> customers. Please check back on November 10, 2004 for an update on when
> this service will be available. Our goal is to have it available to you
> by this holiday season."
>
> http://www.newcingular.com/c_benefits.html


No stretch there...

Ads all the time lie about what 'absolutley free" means, no stretch to
lie about what the word "overnight" means...

And almost every product advertized on TV is priced at $19.95 no matter
what the product is...do you really think that a product is "honestly"
priced at $19.95 no matter what the product is? No way...in other words
ads are usually full of lies all the time.

"zeno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:311020041750192934%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Seen during a CBS NFL game about 1 PM CST
>>
>>
>> "Now that Cingular and AT&T Wireless have merged, OVERNIGHT you now have
>> Free Mobile to Mobile access to 46 million Cingular and AT&T Wireless
>> customers. "
>>
>>
>> N O T Q U I T E
>>
>>
>> ===
>>
>> The web site more honestly, puts it this way:
>>
>> "Now that AT&T Wireless is part of the Cingular family, our Mobile to
>> Mobile calling community will grow to become the largest in America. The
>> reach of your existing Mobile to Mobile calling plan has expanded to
>> include all Cingular and AT&T Wireless customers an unprecedented 46
>> million people.
>>
>> Implementation is already underway to expand the reach of your existing
>> Mobile to Mobile calling plan to all Cingular and AT&T Wireless
>> customers. Please check back on November 10, 2004 for an update on when
>> this service will be available. Our goal is to have it available to you
>> by this holiday season."
>>
>> http://www.newcingular.com/c_benefits.html
>
>
> No stretch there...
>
> Ads all the time lie about what 'absolutley free" means, no stretch to
> lie about what the word "overnight" means...
>
> And almost every product advertized on TV is priced at $19.95 no matter
> what the product is...do you really think that a product is "honestly"
> priced at $19.95 no matter what the product is? No way...in other words
> ads are usually full of lies all the time.

Look at a car commerical. Most of them show a great looking car and say
they start at a very LOW price but the actual car that was in the commerical
can be as much as $10,000 more.

In article <311020041750192934%[email protected]>,
zeno <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Seen during a CBS NFL game about 1 PM CST
> >
> >
> > "Now that Cingular and AT&T Wireless have merged, OVERNIGHT you now have
> > Free Mobile to Mobile access to 46 million Cingular and AT&T Wireless
> > customers. "
> >
> >
> > N O T Q U I T E
> >
> >
> > ===
> >
> > The web site more honestly, puts it this way:
> >
> > "Now that AT&T Wireless is part of the Cingular family, our Mobile to
> > Mobile calling community will grow to become the largest in America. The
> > reach of your existing Mobile to Mobile calling plan has expanded to
> > include all Cingular and AT&T Wireless customers an unprecedented 46
> > million people.*
> >
> > Implementation*is already underway to expand the reach of your existing
> > Mobile to Mobile calling plan to all Cingular and AT&T Wireless
> > customers. Please check back on November 10, 2004 for an update on when
> > this service will be available. Our goal is to have it available to you
> > by this holiday season."
> >
> > http://www.newcingular.com/c_benefits.html
>
>
> No stretch there...
>
> Ads all the time lie about what 'absolutley free" means, no stretch to
> lie about what the word "overnight" means...
>
> And almost every product advertized on TV is priced at $19.95 no matter
> what the product is...do you really think that a product is "honestly"
> priced at $19.95 no matter what the product is? No way...in other words
> ads are usually full of lies all the time.

Sorry its a complete lie. It'd didn't and hasn't happened yet, and when
it does, months down the road it won't be Overnight then either.

And just because you know of "other" dishonest ads on TV, doesn't give
Cingular the right to flat lie.

In article <Wlehd.7638$vB.1821@trnddc03>,
"Wirelessjuan" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "zeno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:311020041750192934%[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Seen during a CBS NFL game about 1 PM CST
> >>
> >>
> >> "Now that Cingular and AT&T Wireless have merged, OVERNIGHT you now have
> >> Free Mobile to Mobile access to 46 million Cingular and AT&T Wireless
> >> customers. "
> >>
> >>
> >> N O T Q U I T E
> >>
> >>
> >> ===
> >>
> >> The web site more honestly, puts it this way:
> >>
> >> "Now that AT&T Wireless is part of the Cingular family, our Mobile to
> >> Mobile calling community will grow to become the largest in America. The
> >> reach of your existing Mobile to Mobile calling plan has expanded to
> >> include all Cingular and AT&T Wireless customers an unprecedented 46
> >> million people.
> >>
> >> Implementation is already underway to expand the reach of your existing
> >> Mobile to Mobile calling plan to all Cingular and AT&T Wireless
> >> customers. Please check back on November 10, 2004 for an update on when
> >> this service will be available. Our goal is to have it available to you
> >> by this holiday season."
> >>
> >> http://www.newcingular.com/c_benefits.html
> >
> >
> > No stretch there...
> >
> > Ads all the time lie about what 'absolutley free" means, no stretch to
> > lie about what the word "overnight" means...
> >
> > And almost every product advertized on TV is priced at $19.95 no matter
> > what the product is...do you really think that a product is "honestly"
> > priced at $19.95 no matter what the product is? No way...in other words
> > ads are usually full of lies all the time.
>
> Look at a car commerical. Most of them show a great looking car and say
> they start at a very LOW price but the actual car that was in the commerical
> can be as much as $10,000 more.

A) lots of car ads now list "well equiped" prices for just that reason.

b) Just because other ads may be bogus is absolutely no justification
for Cingular to flat lie, and pretend free Mobile to Mobile took place
overnight already between Cingular & ATTWS, when its not even started to
be implemented yet. It's a flat lie.

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:27:41 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
said in alt.cellular.cingular:

>Implementation*is already underway to expand the reach of your existing
>Mobile to Mobile calling plan to all Cingular and AT&T Wireless
>customers. Please check back on November 10, 2004 for an update on when
>this service will be available. Our goal is to have it available to you
>by this holiday season."

Mark November 15 on your calendar. See if it's done by then.

That isn't false -- that's marketing hyperbole.

You're really clutching at straws now.

Pathetic.

In <[email protected]> on Sun, 31 Oct
2004 21:27:41 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>Seen during a CBS NFL game about 1 PM CST
>
>
>"Now that Cingular and AT&T Wireless have merged, OVERNIGHT you now have
>Free Mobile to Mobile access to 46 million Cingular and AT&T Wireless
>customers. "
>
>
>N O T Q U I T E
>
>
>===
>
>The web site more honestly, puts it this way:
>
>"Now that AT&T Wireless is part of the Cingular family, our Mobile to
>Mobile calling community will grow to become the largest in America. The
>reach of your existing Mobile to Mobile calling plan has expanded to
>include all Cingular and AT&T Wireless customers an unprecedented 46
>million people.*
>
>Implementation*is already underway to expand the reach of your existing
>Mobile to Mobile calling plan to all Cingular and AT&T Wireless
>customers. Please check back on November 10, 2004 for an update on when
>this service will be available. Our goal is to have it available to you
>by this holiday season."
>
>http://www.newcingular.com/c_benefits.html
>
>
>================

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 01 Nov
2004 01:00:25 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>b) Just because other ads may be bogus is absolutely no justification
>for Cingular to flat lie, and pretend free Mobile to Mobile took place
>overnight already between Cingular & ATTWS, when its not even started to
>be implemented yet. It's a flat lie.

Rubbish.

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 01 Nov
2004 00:58:26 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>Sorry its a complete lie. It'd didn't and hasn't happened yet, and when
>it does, months down the road it won't be Overnight then either.
>
>And just because you know of "other" dishonest ads on TV, doesn't give
>Cingular the right to flat lie.

There is no lie there, just FUD from you.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Mon, 01 Nov
> 2004 00:58:26 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Sorry its a complete lie. It'd didn't and hasn't happened yet, and when
> >it does, months down the road it won't be Overnight then either.
> >
> >And just because you know of "other" dishonest ads on TV, doesn't give
> >Cingular the right to flat lie.
>
> There is no lie there, just FUD from you.

It is a total lie, as Cingular customers can not yet get Free Mobile to
Mobile calling to AT&TWS customers. But the ad said it has already
happened overnight.

Only a someone in Cingular's pocket like Navas would not see the lie.

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Mon, 01 Nov
> 2004 01:00:25 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >b) Just because other ads may be bogus is absolutely no justification
> >for Cingular to flat lie, and pretend free Mobile to Mobile took place
> >overnight already between Cingular & ATTWS, when its not even started to
> >be implemented yet. It's a flat lie.
>
> Rubbish.

Why is it rubbish?. It hasn't happened yet, but the commercial said it
already happened overnight.

Only someone in Cingular's pocket like Navas would fail to see the lie.

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> That isn't false -- that's marketing hyperbole.
>
> You're really clutching at straws now.
>
> Pathetic.


Yes, you Navas are pathetic, making like Cingular's lies are no big deal.


>
> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 31 Oct
> 2004 21:27:41 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Seen during a CBS NFL game about 1 PM CST
> >
> >
> >"Now that Cingular and AT&T Wireless have merged, OVERNIGHT you now have
> >Free Mobile to Mobile access to 46 million Cingular and AT&T Wireless
> >customers. "
> >
> >
> >N O T Q U I T E
> >
> >
> >===
> >
> >The web site more honestly, puts it this way:
> >
> >"Now that AT&T Wireless is part of the Cingular family, our Mobile to
> >Mobile calling community will grow to become the largest in America. The
> >reach of your existing Mobile to Mobile calling plan has expanded to
> >include all Cingular and AT&T Wireless customers an unprecedented 46
> >million people.*
> >
> >Implementation*is already underway to expand the reach of your existing
> >Mobile to Mobile calling plan to all Cingular and AT&T Wireless
> >customers. Please check back on November 10, 2004 for an update on when
> >this service will be available. Our goal is to have it available to you
> >by this holiday season."
> >
> >http://www.newcingular.com/c_benefits.html
> >
> >
> >================

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 01 Nov
2004 19:06:54 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In <[email protected]> on Mon, 01 Nov
>> 2004 01:00:25 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >b) Just because other ads may be bogus is absolutely no justification
>> >for Cingular to flat lie, and pretend free Mobile to Mobile took place
>> >overnight already between Cingular & ATTWS, when its not even started to
>> >be implemented yet. It's a flat lie.
>>
>> Rubbish.
>
>Why is it rubbish?.

Because, as I explained, it's marketing hyperbole, not a "lie."

>It hasn't happened yet, but the commercial said it
>already happened overnight.
>
>Only someone in Cingular's pocket like Navas would fail to see the lie.

Only someone trying to spread FUD would make such a silly claim.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 01 Nov
2004 19:05:43 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In <[email protected]> on Mon, 01 Nov
>> 2004 00:58:26 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Sorry its a complete lie. It'd didn't and hasn't happened yet, and when
>> >it does, months down the road it won't be Overnight then either.
>> >
>> >And just because you know of "other" dishonest ads on TV, doesn't give
>> >Cingular the right to flat lie.
>>
>> There is no lie there, just FUD from you.
>
>It is a total lie, as Cingular customers can not yet get Free Mobile to
>Mobile calling to AT&TWS customers. But the ad said it has already
>happened overnight.
>
>Only a someone in Cingular's pocket like Navas would not see the lie.

Only someone trying to spread FUD would make such a silly claim.
As I explained, it's marketing hyperbole, not a "lie."

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 01 Nov
2004 19:07:50 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> That isn't false -- that's marketing hyperbole.
>>
>> You're really clutching at straws now.
>>
>> Pathetic.
>
>Yes, you Navas are pathetic, making like Cingular's lies are no big deal.

More pathetic clutching at straws.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>