Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

Richie wrote:
> Cingular only charges $14 maximum for 7:00pm Night and Weekends, regardless
> of the number of lines you have on your family plan. So if you have 4
> lines, you'll pay only $14 for 7:00pm N&W.
>
> Rollover is well worth it. You can start with very-high-minute plan then
> move to a lower-minute plan when needed. Since you're analytical, do the
> math and you'll see that the per minute cost will be less on Cingular.
> With rollover, you can use all your minutes without every having to worry
> about going over and paying penalty. Not having to watch the clock is well
> worth it to me.


I was told that when you switch plans, you lose your rollover minutes.

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Only if you change to a plan that does not have Rollover. When I changed
from GAIT to GSM Nation, I kept my rollover minutes. (This was in the Kansas
City market.)

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"Bob Horvath" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Richie wrote:
> > Cingular only charges $14 maximum for 7:00pm Night and Weekends,
regardless
> > of the number of lines you have on your family plan. So if you have 4
> > lines, you'll pay only $14 for 7:00pm N&W.
> >
> > Rollover is well worth it. You can start with very-high-minute plan
then
> > move to a lower-minute plan when needed. Since you're analytical, do
the
> > math and you'll see that the per minute cost will be less on Cingular.
> > With rollover, you can use all your minutes without every having to
worry
> > about going over and paying penalty. Not having to watch the clock is
well
> > worth it to me.
>
>
> I was told that when you switch plans, you lose your rollover minutes.

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 25 Nov
2004 16:52:19 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Tony Clark" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news[email protected]...
>> > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:55:02 GMT, "Tony Clark"
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>It wasn't exactly free. As I recall you had to be on a plan costing $59 or
>> >>more.
>> >
>> > Huh? The requirement to get *free* nights at 7pm is subscribing to a
>> > $59 plan or higher. How is it not free? They give you what the
>> > requirements are to get night minutes at 7pm. The requirement is that
>> > you pick a plan that is $59 or higher.
>> >
>> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> It's not free because you are paying $59 or more for a service that gets you
>> 7pm nights. If you get a $39 plan you don't get 7pm nights, hence there is a
>> cost to get the 7pm nights. They are forcing you to purchase a plan with
>> more anytime minutes in order to get the 7pm nights, but what if you don't
>> need those anytime minutes and you make lots of calls after 7pm? You wind up
>> paying for minutes you don't use just to get "free" minutes. So you see,
>> they are not really free.
>>
>> To me free means there are no conditions attached.
>>
>> TC
>
>It's free relative to Cingular who would charge you $7/month on top of
>the $59.99

It's not free by any standard, just priced differently.

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:43:35 -0800, Steve
Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

>Tony Clark wrote:
>
>> It wasn't exactly free. As I recall you had to be on a plan costing $59 or
>> more.
>
>It did not carry an additional charge, though.

Of course it does -- it's just not broken out.

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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:17:05 GMT, "Tony Clark"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>It's not free because you are paying $59 or more for a service that gets you
>7pm nights. If you get a $39 plan you don't get 7pm nights, hence there is a
>cost to get the 7pm nights. They are forcing you to purchase a plan with
>more anytime minutes in order to get the 7pm nights, but what if you don't
>need those anytime minutes and you make lots of calls after 7pm? You wind up
>paying for minutes you don't use just to get "free" minutes. So you see,
>they are not really free.
>
>To me free means there are no conditions attached.

If you meet the conditions the night minutes are free. Free does not
mean that you do not have to meet conditions. You have a strange
definition of what free is or is not.

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Michael MacMahon wrote:
> Only if you change to a plan that does not have Rollover. When I changed
> from GAIT to GSM Nation, I kept my rollover minutes. (This was in the Kansas
> City market.)
>

My sister-in-law, who is a heavy Cingular user (home care nurse - lives
out of her car), insists she lost her rollover minutes after being told
she would not. Just be careful when switching.

"Bob Horvath" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Michael MacMahon wrote:
> > Only if you change to a plan that does not have Rollover. When I changed
> > from GAIT to GSM Nation, I kept my rollover minutes. (This was in the
Kansas
> > City market.)
> >
>
> My sister-in-law, who is a heavy Cingular user (home care nurse - lives
> out of her car), insists she lost her rollover minutes after being told
> she would not. Just be careful when switching.


Your sister-in-law is wrong.

As was stated previously; you only lose Rollover when switching to a plan
that doesn't include Rollover.

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"M. D. Borca" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I am on an ATTWS 59.99 national free roaming plan with 2 lines extra.
> I have 7pm nights automatically for all 3 lines via the 59.99 plan and
> 900 anytime minutes with the unlimited m2m and night/weekends and free
> long distance.
>
> I was interested in switching to CNGLR only because of their 19.99
> mEdia Works package so I may take advantage of it through my laptop
> for unlimited internet access via my gprs handset.
>
> I went into a CNGLR store (a former ATTWS Store in this case) after I
> called CNGLR to discuss all this to which I spoke with a teenage
> sounding boy who was able to answer few of my questions and gave me
> some info which in turn wasted my time at the store. Anyway... in my
> scenario - if I were to switch to CNGLR with all my lines, here are
> the advantages and disadvantages.
>
> 1. Cingular charges $7 PER LINE for early nights!
> You do NOT get it automatically on any particular package
> whatsoever as ATT gave it out. so... 3 lines x 7 = $21 per month
> extra. (Ridiculous)


It's only $14 for multiple lines.


>
> 2. Cingular charges $18 PER line for migration to ATTWS. (also
> ridiculous but reaching ludicrous levels)


It's an "upgrade fee" not an activation fee. Legacy Cingular customers pay
the same fee every time they upgrade.


>
> 3. Cingular's 59.99 national plan actually gives me 50 less minutes
> per month BUT gives me rollover (so I guess #3 outweighs itself and
> evens out).


ATTWS started offering the extra 50 minutes on plans and the 7 nights &
weekends when the merger negotiations were announced long ago. They also
lowered their credit standards to establish monthly service.


>
> 4. Since I unlock all my handsets myself I wouldn't have to purchase a
> new phone from them and only simply get the sim cards from them which
> are FREE (yeah, i bet that's what the 18$ per line is for)


But your unlocked phones will not work as well as the new ENS phones.


> 4 1/2. I am in the military, and I recieve a 19% monthly discount on
> my ATTWS bill which is applied after taxes - so I pay significantly
> less per month with ATTWS. Cnglr for now offers NO, I repeat NO
> discount for military.


FAN's are on the way.


>
> 5. Advantage: I am on a 2yr ATTWS contract with about 1 1/2 yrs left.
> If I moved to CNGLR the contract would be reduced to 1yr.
>
> In conclusion, I'd have to pay 7x3=21 extra per month besides the
> 59.99 to have early nights. I'd have to pay 18x3=54 upfront for line
> transfer.
>
> Right now I pay ATTWS monthly:
> 59.99 for the gsm national package with 7pm nights and 900 mins
> 9.99 x 2 for 2 extra lines.
> And once taxes, surcharges are added, I get a 19% discount off of the
> total amount.
>
>
> I'd be paying CNGLR monthly:
> 59.99 for gsm national package with 9pm nights and 850 mns BUT with
> rollover.
> 7x3=21 for early nights for the 3 lines.
> and once taxes and surcharges are added I get no discount off of the
> total amount for being military.
>
> & $54 upfront simply to transfer my lines over, for 3 of them.
>
> I wonder, american corporations like this one become large, become
> ridiculously rich off of the hard earned money of millions of poor
> saps.
> Thank God for American freedom in justice which allows them to get
> away with all sorts of things, such as this.


I've driven nothing but Jeep for the last 25 Years. I think they owe me a
new Jeep and free gas.

Oh ....Time Warner cable owes me a free TV and HBO & Showtime

Let's not forget my local phone company......and the electric company.......


>
> but hey! - if you just spent forty one billion american dollars to
> purchase a company, I guess you'd be wanting some of it back too!
>
> And after all... with all this said, why wouldn't you want to join the
> 46million+ member family with Cingular! What've you got to lose? -
> except maybe your weekly grocery money. And maybe your monthly kids'
> diaper money if you were to purchase new handsets because you - the
> average consumer has either no clue or resource to go and unlock your
> phone(s).
>
> Cingular needs to start making it WORTHWHILE for ATTWS customers to
> transfer over. But again, 46+ million paying customers so what've they
> got to care about? not much aside from charging us more and more and
> getting richer and richer.
>
> So go ahead, switch to CNGLR! I'll keep my ATTWS plans and features
> for as long as I can, and hopefully it will be for the remainder of my
> contract.


I would hate to live in your world.

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SS

Shaolin Superfly wrote:
> "Bob Horvath" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Michael MacMahon wrote:
>>
>>>Only if you change to a plan that does not have Rollover. When I changed
>>>from GAIT to GSM Nation, I kept my rollover minutes. (This was in the
>
> Kansas
>
>>>City market.)
>>>
>>
>>My sister-in-law, who is a heavy Cingular user (home care nurse - lives
>>out of her car), insists she lost her rollover minutes after being told
>>she would not. Just be careful when switching.
>
>
>
> Your sister-in-law is wrong.
>
> As was stated previously; you only lose Rollover when switching to a plan
> that doesn't include Rollover.
>


You tell her! Her only complain about Cingular was being told she
wouldn't lose her rollover minues, and then losing them.

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In <[email protected]> on Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:16:40 -0600,
Bob Horvath <[email protected]> wrote:

>Shaolin Superfly wrote:

>> As was stated previously; you only lose Rollover when switching to a plan
>> that doesn't include Rollover.
>
>You tell her! Her only complain about Cingular was being told she
>wouldn't lose her rollover minues, and then losing them.

So tell her to call Cingular and insist that they be reinstated.

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In <[email protected]> on Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:41:11 -0600,
"Shaolin Superfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"M. D. Borca" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> 4. Since I unlock all my handsets myself I wouldn't have to purchase a
>> new phone from them and only simply get the sim cards from them which
>> are FREE (yeah, i bet that's what the 18$ per line is for)
>
>But your unlocked phones will not work as well as the new ENS phones.

The difference is small, and unlocked phones have offsetting advantages.

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"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:17:05 GMT, "Tony Clark"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
SNIP

>>
>>To me free means there are no conditions attached.
>
> If you meet the conditions the night minutes are free. Free does not
> mean that you do not have to meet conditions. You have a strange
> definition of what free is or is not.
>
In this case the conditions are that you pay $59 a month for a rate plan or
MORE. How you equate paying $59+ per month with free is the strange part.

TC

In article <[email protected]>,
"Tony Clark" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:17:05 GMT, "Tony Clark"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> SNIP
>
> >>
> >>To me free means there are no conditions attached.
> >
> > If you meet the conditions the night minutes are free. Free does not
> > mean that you do not have to meet conditions. You have a strange
> > definition of what free is or is not.
> >
> In this case the conditions are that you pay $59 a month for a rate plan or
> MORE. How you equate paying $59+ per month with free is the strange part.

Free you means you don't pay $7/month EXTRA like Cingular charges. It's
free for the 7 PM nights, not Free for the celular service.

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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 27 Nov
2004 09:29:07 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Tony Clark" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> In this case the conditions are that you pay $59 a month for a rate plan or
>> MORE. How you equate paying $59+ per month with free is the strange part.
>
>Free you means you don't pay $7/month EXTRA like Cingular charges. It's
>free for the 7 PM nights, not Free for the celular service.

Of course you pay extra, albeit bundled into a single price rather than being
split out separately. TANSTAAFL.

When you buy a car do you get a free engine and transmission? Of course not.
You pay for them.

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John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 27 Nov
> 2004 09:29:07 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>"Tony Clark" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>In this case the conditions are that you pay $59 a month for a rate plan or
>>>MORE. How you equate paying $59+ per month with free is the strange part.
>>
>>Free you means you don't pay $7/month EXTRA like Cingular charges. It's
>>free for the 7 PM nights, not Free for the celular service.
>
>
> Of course you pay extra, albeit bundled into a single price rather than being
> split out separately. TANSTAAFL.
>
> When you buy a car do you get a free engine and transmission? Of course not.
> You pay for them.
>


non sequitur... the engine and transmission aren't being advertised as free.

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