Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

I am on an ATTWS 59.99 national free roaming plan with 2 lines extra.
I have 7pm nights automatically for all 3 lines via the 59.99 plan and
900 anytime minutes with the unlimited m2m and night/weekends and free
long distance.

I was interested in switching to CNGLR only because of their 19.99
mEdia Works package so I may take advantage of it through my laptop
for unlimited internet access via my gprs handset.

I went into a CNGLR store (a former ATTWS Store in this case) after I
called CNGLR to discuss all this to which I spoke with a teenage
sounding boy who was able to answer few of my questions and gave me
some info which in turn wasted my time at the store. Anyway... in my
scenario - if I were to switch to CNGLR with all my lines, here are
the advantages and disadvantages.

1. Cingular charges $7 PER LINE for early nights!
You do NOT get it automatically on any particular package
whatsoever as ATT gave it out. so... 3 lines x 7 = $21 per month
extra. (Ridiculous)

2. Cingular charges $18 PER line for migration to ATTWS. (also
ridiculous but reaching ludicrous levels)

3. Cingular's 59.99 national plan actually gives me 50 less minutes
per month BUT gives me rollover (so I guess #3 outweighs itself and
evens out).

4. Since I unlock all my handsets myself I wouldn't have to purchase a
new phone from them and only simply get the sim cards from them which
are FREE (yeah, i bet that's what the 18$ per line is for)

4 1/2. I am in the military, and I recieve a 19% monthly discount on
my ATTWS bill which is applied after taxes - so I pay significantly
less per month with ATTWS. Cnglr for now offers NO, I repeat NO
discount for military.

5. Advantage: I am on a 2yr ATTWS contract with about 1 1/2 yrs left.
If I moved to CNGLR the contract would be reduced to 1yr.

In conclusion, I'd have to pay 7x3=21 extra per month besides the
59.99 to have early nights. I'd have to pay 18x3=54 upfront for line
transfer.

Right now I pay ATTWS monthly:
59.99 for the gsm national package with 7pm nights and 900 mins
9.99 x 2 for 2 extra lines.
And once taxes, surcharges are added, I get a 19% discount off of the
total amount.


I'd be paying CNGLR monthly:
59.99 for gsm national package with 9pm nights and 850 mns BUT with
rollover.
7x3=21 for early nights for the 3 lines.
and once taxes and surcharges are added I get no discount off of the
total amount for being military.

& $54 upfront simply to transfer my lines over, for 3 of them.

I wonder, american corporations like this one become large, become
ridiculously rich off of the hard earned money of millions of poor
saps.
Thank God for American freedom in justice which allows them to get
away with all sorts of things, such as this.

but hey! - if you just spent forty one billion american dollars to
purchase a company, I guess you'd be wanting some of it back too!

And after all... with all this said, why wouldn't you want to join the
46million+ member family with Cingular! What've you got to lose? -
except maybe your weekly grocery money. And maybe your monthly kids'
diaper money if you were to purchase new handsets because you - the
average consumer has either no clue or resource to go and unlock your
phone(s).

Cingular needs to start making it WORTHWHILE for ATTWS customers to
transfer over. But again, 46+ million paying customers so what've they
got to care about? not much aside from charging us more and more and
getting richer and richer.

So go ahead, switch to CNGLR! I'll keep my ATTWS plans and features
for as long as I can, and hopefully it will be for the remainder of my
contract.

---

› See More: Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (M. D. Borca) wrote:

> 4 1/2. I am in the military, and I recieve a 19% monthly discount on
> my ATTWS bill which is applied after taxes - so I pay significantly
> less per month with ATTWS. Cnglr for now offers NO, I repeat NO
> discount for military.

Calm down. The whole foundation account issue will be resolved in a few
weeks. Foundation accounts are still being handled, but are currently
still all ATTWS plans and equipment, but will transition to Cingular
plans and phones probably around the first of the year if not sooner.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (M. D. Borca) wrote:

> Cingular needs to start making it WORTHWHILE for ATTWS customers to
> transfer over.

Why?

You can continue as you are right now, and nothing will change except
that mobile to mobile will include Cingular people as well.

You needn't do anything.

Yeah, if you want to change something, you'll probably have to look
elsewhere. Cingular isn't it right now.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (M. D. Borca) wrote:
>
>
>>4 1/2. I am in the military, and I recieve a 19% monthly discount on
>>my ATTWS bill which is applied after taxes - so I pay significantly
>>less per month with ATTWS. Cnglr for now offers NO, I repeat NO
>>discount for military.
>
>
> Calm down. The whole foundation account issue will be resolved in a few
> weeks. Foundation accounts are still being handled, but are currently
> still all ATTWS plans and equipment, but will transition to Cingular
> plans and phones probably around the first of the year if not sooner.
>

I talked to the "foundation" folks on Monday - I have ATTWS accounts
with an IBM discount. They said they could "walk though" a switch to
Cingular, but it would take several days, maybe a week. The big problem
was they had no way to give me the equipment discount. They thought
it would be resolved in two weeks, a month at the outside. I asked if
the military/postal discounts would be honored and they were pretty sure
that the intent was to keep all of the business discounts.

M. D. Borca wrote:

> 7x3=21 for early nights for the 3 lines.

Got news for you.

AT&T Wireless was the ONLY carrier offering free 7pm nights.

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"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> M. D. Borca wrote:
>
>> 7x3=21 for early nights for the 3 lines.
>
> Got news for you.
>
> AT&T Wireless was the ONLY carrier offering free 7pm nights.
>
It wasn't exactly free. As I recall you had to be on a plan costing $59 or
more.

TC

On 24 Nov 2004 14:58:37 -0800, [email protected] (M. D. Borca) wrote:

>1. Cingular charges $7 PER LINE for early nights!
> You do NOT get it automatically on any particular package
>whatsoever as ATT gave it out. so... 3 lines x 7 = $21 per month
>extra. (Ridiculous)

Are you sure that it is $7 per line? My parents and younger brother
have a Sprint family plan and they pay $5 for early night. I thought
it would be $5 per phone like the Vision package is, but when they
called to sign up for it they found they only had to pay $5 to cover
all three lines.

Yogi

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:55:02 GMT, "Tony Clark"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>It wasn't exactly free. As I recall you had to be on a plan costing $59 or
>more.

Huh? The requirement to get *free* nights at 7pm is subscribing to a
$59 plan or higher. How is it not free? They give you what the
requirements are to get night minutes at 7pm. The requirement is that
you pick a plan that is $59 or higher.

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:04:49
-0800, Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:55:02 GMT, "Tony Clark"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>It wasn't exactly free. As I recall you had to be on a plan costing $59 or
>>more.
>
>Huh? The requirement to get *free* nights at 7pm is subscribing to a
>$59 plan or higher. How is it not free? They give you what the
>requirements are to get night minutes at 7pm. The requirement is that
>you pick a plan that is $59 or higher.

Which makes it not free. Just because it's not split out separately doesn't
make it free -- it's bundled into the total price. If it were truly free,
then it would be available on any rate plan.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:55:02 GMT, "Tony Clark"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>It wasn't exactly free. As I recall you had to be on a plan costing $59 or
>>more.
>
> Huh? The requirement to get *free* nights at 7pm is subscribing to a
> $59 plan or higher. How is it not free? They give you what the
> requirements are to get night minutes at 7pm. The requirement is that
> you pick a plan that is $59 or higher.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

It's not free because you are paying $59 or more for a service that gets you
7pm nights. If you get a $39 plan you don't get 7pm nights, hence there is a
cost to get the 7pm nights. They are forcing you to purchase a plan with
more anytime minutes in order to get the 7pm nights, but what if you don't
need those anytime minutes and you make lots of calls after 7pm? You wind up
paying for minutes you don't use just to get "free" minutes. So you see,
they are not really free.

To me free means there are no conditions attached.

TC

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In <[email protected]> on 24 Nov 2004 14:58:37
-0800, [email protected] (M. D. Borca) wrote:

>1. Cingular charges $7 PER LINE for early nights!
> You do NOT get it automatically on any particular package
>whatsoever as ATT gave it out. so... 3 lines x 7 = $21 per month
>extra. (Ridiculous)

I think there's a cheaper package price that covers all lines on a Family
Plan.

>2. Cingular charges $18 PER line for migration to ATTWS. (also
>ridiculous but reaching ludicrous levels)

All carriers charge activation fees, and this is pretty modest.

>I wonder, american corporations like this one become large, become
>ridiculously rich off of the hard earned money of millions of poor
>saps.
>Thank God for American freedom in justice which allows them to get
>away with all sorts of things, such as this.

How silly. Cellular is a bargain; carriers aren't getting rich; and if you
don't think it's a good deal, then don't buy it. That's a free market at
work.

>And after all... with all this said, why wouldn't you want to join the
>46million+ member family with Cingular! What've you got to lose? -
>except maybe your weekly grocery money. And maybe your monthly kids'
>diaper money if you were to purchase new handsets because you - the
>average consumer has either no clue or resource to go and unlock your
>phone(s).

More silliness -- if you don't like Cingular, stick with your ATTWS plan.
Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

>Cingular needs to start making it WORTHWHILE for ATTWS customers to
>transfer over.

It obviously is.

>But again, 46+ million paying customers so what've they
>got to care about?

Not losing them -- they were VERY expensive.

>not much aside from charging us more and more and
>getting richer and richer.

More silliness -- Cingular isn't getting richer and richer.

>So go ahead, switch to CNGLR! I'll keep my ATTWS plans and features
>for as long as I can, and hopefully it will be for the remainder of my
>contract.

Then why are you whining?

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

Tony Clark wrote:

> It wasn't exactly free. As I recall you had to be on a plan costing $59 or
> more.

It did not carry an additional charge, though.


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In article <[email protected]>,
"Tony Clark" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:55:02 GMT, "Tony Clark"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>It wasn't exactly free. As I recall you had to be on a plan costing $59 or
> >>more.
> >
> > Huh? The requirement to get *free* nights at 7pm is subscribing to a
> > $59 plan or higher. How is it not free? They give you what the
> > requirements are to get night minutes at 7pm. The requirement is that
> > you pick a plan that is $59 or higher.
> >
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> It's not free because you are paying $59 or more for a service that gets you
> 7pm nights. If you get a $39 plan you don't get 7pm nights, hence there is a
> cost to get the 7pm nights. They are forcing you to purchase a plan with
> more anytime minutes in order to get the 7pm nights, but what if you don't
> need those anytime minutes and you make lots of calls after 7pm? You wind up
> paying for minutes you don't use just to get "free" minutes. So you see,
> they are not really free.
>
> To me free means there are no conditions attached.
>
> TC

It's free relative to Cingular who would charge you $7/month on top of
the $59.99

In article <[email protected]>,
Yogi <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 24 Nov 2004 14:58:37 -0800, [email protected] (M. D. Borca) wrote:
>
> >1. Cingular charges $7 PER LINE for early nights!
> > You do NOT get it automatically on any particular package
> >whatsoever as ATT gave it out. so... 3 lines x 7 = $21 per month
> >extra. (Ridiculous)
>
> Are you sure that it is $7 per line? My parents and younger brother
> have a Sprint family plan and they pay $5 for early night. I thought
> it would be $5 per phone like the Vision package is, but when they
> called to sign up for it they found they only had to pay $5 to cover
> all three lines.

Duh. Cingular is not Sprint, there is no requirement they do everything
like Sprint does.

Cingular only charges $14 maximum for 7:00pm Night and Weekends, regardless
of the number of lines you have on your family plan. So if you have 4
lines, you'll pay only $14 for 7:00pm N&W.

Rollover is well worth it. You can start with very-high-minute plan then
move to a lower-minute plan when needed. Since you're analytical, do the
math and you'll see that the per minute cost will be less on Cingular.
With rollover, you can use all your minutes without every having to worry
about going over and paying penalty. Not having to watch the clock is well
worth it to me.


"M. D. Borca" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am on an ATTWS 59.99 national free roaming plan with 2 lines extra.
> I have 7pm nights automatically for all 3 lines via the 59.99 plan and
> 900 anytime minutes with the unlimited m2m and night/weekends and free
> long distance.
>
> I was interested in switching to CNGLR only because of their 19.99
> mEdia Works package so I may take advantage of it through my laptop
> for unlimited internet access via my gprs handset.
>
> I went into a CNGLR store (a former ATTWS Store in this case) after I
> called CNGLR to discuss all this to which I spoke with a teenage
> sounding boy who was able to answer few of my questions and gave me
> some info which in turn wasted my time at the store. Anyway... in my
> scenario - if I were to switch to CNGLR with all my lines, here are
> the advantages and disadvantages.
>
> 1. Cingular charges $7 PER LINE for early nights!
> You do NOT get it automatically on any particular package
> whatsoever as ATT gave it out. so... 3 lines x 7 = $21 per month
> extra. (Ridiculous)
>
> 2. Cingular charges $18 PER line for migration to ATTWS. (also
> ridiculous but reaching ludicrous levels)
>
> 3. Cingular's 59.99 national plan actually gives me 50 less minutes
> per month BUT gives me rollover (so I guess #3 outweighs itself and
> evens out).
>
> 4. Since I unlock all my handsets myself I wouldn't have to purchase a
> new phone from them and only simply get the sim cards from them which
> are FREE (yeah, i bet that's what the 18$ per line is for)
>
> 4 1/2. I am in the military, and I recieve a 19% monthly discount on
> my ATTWS bill which is applied after taxes - so I pay significantly
> less per month with ATTWS. Cnglr for now offers NO, I repeat NO
> discount for military.
>
> 5. Advantage: I am on a 2yr ATTWS contract with about 1 1/2 yrs left.
> If I moved to CNGLR the contract would be reduced to 1yr.
>
> In conclusion, I'd have to pay 7x3=21 extra per month besides the
> 59.99 to have early nights. I'd have to pay 18x3=54 upfront for line
> transfer.
>
> Right now I pay ATTWS monthly:
> 59.99 for the gsm national package with 7pm nights and 900 mins
> 9.99 x 2 for 2 extra lines.
> And once taxes, surcharges are added, I get a 19% discount off of the
> total amount.
>
>
> I'd be paying CNGLR monthly:
> 59.99 for gsm national package with 9pm nights and 850 mns BUT with
> rollover.
> 7x3=21 for early nights for the 3 lines.
> and once taxes and surcharges are added I get no discount off of the
> total amount for being military.
>
> & $54 upfront simply to transfer my lines over, for 3 of them.
>
> I wonder, american corporations like this one become large, become
> ridiculously rich off of the hard earned money of millions of poor
> saps.
> Thank God for American freedom in justice which allows them to get
> away with all sorts of things, such as this.
>
> but hey! - if you just spent forty one billion american dollars to
> purchase a company, I guess you'd be wanting some of it back too!
>
> And after all... with all this said, why wouldn't you want to join the
> 46million+ member family with Cingular! What've you got to lose? -
> except maybe your weekly grocery money. And maybe your monthly kids'
> diaper money if you were to purchase new handsets because you - the
> average consumer has either no clue or resource to go and unlock your
> phone(s).
>
> Cingular needs to start making it WORTHWHILE for ATTWS customers to
> transfer over. But again, 46+ million paying customers so what've they
> got to care about? not much aside from charging us more and more and
> getting richer and richer.
>
> So go ahead, switch to CNGLR! I'll keep my ATTWS plans and features
> for as long as I can, and hopefully it will be for the remainder of my
> contract.