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Jer <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

>I wouldn't waste my piss on it.

Jer,
Isn't all urine waste? What are you saving it for?

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In article <[email protected]>, Jer <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Jack Zwick wrote:
>
> >
> > J.D. Power is spot on within the limitations of their surveys.
>
> I disagree, and not just about cellular service issues, but also in
> other areas of personal interest.
>
>
> >
> > The BBB takes the word of their contributor.
>
> Unless the original complainant is nonresponsive, in which case the case
> is closed as "resolved" without further action. And they won't tell you
> which cases were handled this way, nor summarize the numbers with this
> category separately counted. Apparently, the BBB can afford to assume
> that no news is good news - I can't.
>
>
> > Tell me any other reason other than they're correct for these three
> > organizations working totally independantly of each other rate Verizon
> > and Nextel best and ATTWS, Sprint and Cingular worst?
>
> I just don't believe those ratings are accurate.

And your vested interest prevents you how?

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 02 Dec
2004 02:41:31 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>And your vested interest prevents you how?

And your vested interest prevents you how?

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HF wrote:

> Jer <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
>>I wouldn't waste my piss on it.
>
>
> Jer,
> Isn't all urine waste? What are you saving it for?


The next rag that prints lies expecting me to believe otherwise.
Remember the cliche, "I'd rather be pissed on than pissed off"? Be
careful for what you ask for, you might get it.

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jer aka The Pisser email reply - I am not a 'ten'

Bob,
If you are in the west we'd like to recommend:

http://www.mountainwireless.com/

with some general information on other carriers not in the wet.

-Bill Radio

"Bob K." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Kl9rd.124804$5K2.33675@attbi_s03...
> Hello again,
>
> Are there any good reviews site out there comparing the quality of service
> for various carriers? Would like to research coverage in general, cust.
> care and phones.
>
> Thanks
>
>

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Thu, 02 Dec
> 2004 02:41:31 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >And your vested interest prevents you how?
>
> And your vested interest prevents you how?

I have no vested interests other than the truth.

The truth:

1. The BBB is worthless in most cases, and drags on in letters and
counter letters and cases being closed without resolution; where as a
letter to a State Attorney General often gets QUICK results.

2. J.D. Power's rating of Cingular and AT&T Wirless have brought them
down to where SprintPCS' have been. WORST

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 02 Dec
2004 09:59:39 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>>
>> In <[email protected]> on Thu, 02 Dec
>> 2004 02:41:31 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >And your vested interest prevents you how?
>>
>> And your vested interest prevents you how?
>
>I have no vested interests other than the truth.

Really? Then how have I been able to consistently prove you wrong?

>The truth:
>
>1. The BBB is worthless in most cases, and drags on in letters and
>counter letters and cases being closed without resolution; where as a
>letter to a State Attorney General often gets QUICK results.

Nonsense, as I've shown previously.

>2. J.D. Power's rating of Cingular and AT&T Wirless have brought them
>down to where SprintPCS' have been. WORST

JD Power and Associates
2003 Wireless Network Quality Assessment Study
July 29, 2003:

Verizon Wireless ranks highest with a NQI score of 104 and performs
particularly well in the four most important call quality problem
areas: dropped/disconnected calls, static/interference, voice
distortion, and no connection on the first try. Nextel and Cingular
also perform above the industry average, with NQI scores of 103 and
101, respectively. AT&T Wireless performs at the industry average.

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Thu, 02 Dec
> 2004 09:59:39 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
> >>
> >> In <[email protected]> on Thu, 02 Dec
> >> 2004 02:41:31 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >And your vested interest prevents you how?
> >>
> >> And your vested interest prevents you how?
> >
> >I have no vested interests other than the truth.
>
> Really? Then how have I been able to consistently prove you wrong?

Only by claiming so, never with evidence or URLS
>
> >The truth:
> >
> >1. The BBB is worthless in most cases, and drags on in letters and
> >counter letters and cases being closed without resolution; where as a
> >letter to a State Attorney General often gets QUICK results.
>
> Nonsense, as I've shown previously.

Quit whining.

No you haven't shown a thing. You just claimed. Isolated anecdotal
testemonials mean zip, nada, nothing
>
> >2. J.D. Power's rating of Cingular and AT&T Wirless have brought them
> >down to where SprintPCS' have been. WORST
>
> JD Power and Associates
> 2003 Wireless Network Quality Assessment Study
> July 29, 2003:
>
> Verizon Wireless ranks highest with a NQI score of 104 and performs
> particularly well in the four most important call quality problem
> areas: dropped/disconnected calls, static/interference, voice
> distortion, and no connection on the first try. Nextel and Cingular
> also perform above the industry average, with NQI scores of 103 and
> 101, respectively. AT&T Wireless performs at the industry average.


Duh - This is 2004, not 2003
Those are year old results. Now try 2004 Customer Support ratings.

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 02 Dec
2004 19:59:26 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Really? Then how have I been able to consistently prove you wrong?
>
>Only by claiming so, never with evidence or URLS

You have that backwards -- my posts have been replete with URLs, whereas you
just make things up. When you do post a URL, you misconstrue what it says to
fit your agenda.

>> Nonsense, as I've shown previously.
>
>Quit whining.

Again, you have that backwards.

>No you haven't shown a thing. You just claimed. Isolated anecdotal
>testemonials mean zip, nada, nothing

Again, nonsense:

"In announcing the [California Department of Consumer Affairs] survey
results, the department praised the Better Business Bureau program
for demonstrating 'above-average consistency...'We think the question
of fairness goes directly to the opportunity for an oral hearing...to
give consumers their day in court,' said Peter Brightbill, chief of
the department's arbitration review program. 'The survey numbers bear
this out.'"
The Los Angeles Times, Friday, September 3, 1993

>> >2. J.D. Power's rating of Cingular and AT&T Wirless have brought them
>> >down to where SprintPCS' have been. WORST
>>
>> JD Power and Associates
>> 2003 Wireless Network Quality Assessment Study
>> July 29, 2003:
>>
>> Verizon Wireless ranks highest with a NQI score of 104 and performs
>> particularly well in the four most important call quality problem
>> areas: dropped/disconnected calls, static/interference, voice
>> distortion, and no connection on the first try. Nextel and Cingular
>> also perform above the industry average, with NQI scores of 103 and
>> 101, respectively. AT&T Wireless performs at the industry average.
>
>Duh - This is 2004, not 2003
>Those are year old results. Now try 2004 Customer Support ratings.

Different issue. Most of us care much more about network quality than about
relatively small differences in customer support.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

This one is a little more recent;
http://www.jdpower.com/cc/telecom/jd...eless/Find.jsp
J.D. Power and Associates Reports:
Satisfaction with Wireless Service Providers Increases Significantly as
Customers Report Higher Ratings in Call Quality and Cost-Related Attributes

T-Mobile Receives Highest Rankings In All Six Regions

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 9, 2004

John Navas wrote:


>
> JD Power and Associates
> 2003 Wireless Network Quality Assessment Study
> July 29, 2003:
>
> Verizon Wireless ranks highest with a NQI score of 104 and performs
> particularly well in the four most important call quality problem
> areas: dropped/disconnected calls, static/interference, voice
> distortion, and no connection on the first try. Nextel and Cingular
> also perform above the industry average, with NQI scores of 103 and
> 101, respectively. AT&T Wireless performs at the industry average.
>

John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
>
>
>>>>2. J.D. Power's rating of Cingular and AT&T Wirless have brought them
>>>>down to where SprintPCS' have been. WORST
>>>
>>> JD Power and Associates
>>> 2003 Wireless Network Quality Assessment Study
>>> July 29, 2003:
>>>
>>> Verizon Wireless ranks highest with a NQI score of 104 and performs
>>> particularly well in the four most important call quality problem
>>> areas: dropped/disconnected calls, static/interference, voice
>>> distortion, and no connection on the first try. Nextel and Cingular
>>> also perform above the industry average, with NQI scores of 103 and
>>> 101, respectively. AT&T Wireless performs at the industry average.
>>
>>Duh - This is 2004, not 2003
>>Those are year old results. Now try 2004 Customer Support ratings.
>
>
> Different issue. Most of us care much more about network quality than about
> relatively small differences in customer support.
>


Hmmm.... not a pretty picture...


http://www.jdpa.com/studies_jdpower/...asp?ID=2004085

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:58:03 -0600,
Bob Horvath <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:

>> Different issue. Most of us care much more about network quality than about
>> relatively small differences in customer support.
>
>Hmmm.... not a pretty picture...
>
>http://www.jdpa.com/studies_jdpower/...asp?ID=2004085

The differences are actually pretty small, probably within the margin of error
in most cases.

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